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Pandora's box · May 05, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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mrbb · May 05, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by jgortner

Please quote: "I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

I agree.

Kaguya · May 05, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by SoumaAyame

I believe most people here just like to be spoiled. Wanting something you don't earn is... very childish. We all have to work for some type of reward every now and then.

I don't see the people demanding them to be handed to them, the current system just makes getting into the elite missions impossible unless you are in a zerg-alliance that has a lot of grinders.

Make the entrance cost 5000 faction per player? Fine. Make the entrance be gained by several difficult quests? Fine. Make the entrance require you belonging in a guild/alliance that 0.005% of the players can ever get into? No.

Shifty Five Monk · May 05, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

/not signed.

It was ment for the best alliance to have acess to, if you want to play it so bad then join an alliance...like bkbd, the one im in has plenty of room and we are always recruiting. Also if random people are gonna try this you will fail. The only way to get by is to have an extermly organized group on ts or vent.

Alliances have to do a lot of work to gain the areas so if everyone gets acess then all our work is in vain and the whole point of owns cavalon or hzh is completly pointless unless you like fireworks and a merchent.

I'll say it again, if you want acess all 10 of the guilds in our alliance are reqruiting so join one.

SoumaAyame · May 05, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Kaguya, the examples you are providing are not disproving my statement of 'spoiled children'. You don't have to have something directly handed to you just to be spoiled.

There are those who actually take on various challenges to get what they deserve. I don't believe it is difficult at all to at least find people in the top alliances to help you enter the Elite Missions. "Give me this, give me that..." I believe ArenaNet is already tired of spoiling everyone with all the changes they have to make to the game because most are too dense to figure out a way to overcome certain problems themselves (i.e. IWAY, spike, etc.).

If these members of these top alliances can do it, I don't see why you all, who seem so dedicated to the game to petition against it, cannot. They, of course, are people just like you, and are taking their own personal time to achieve their high amounts of Faction. These people are also willing to let you leech off of them. I really think you are being unreasonable to ask for more from people who are just like you. Take the initiative in-game. I doubt it's as hard as most of you think it is.

Kaguya · May 05, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by SoumaAyame

Kaguya, the examples you are providing are not disproving my statement of 'spoiled children'. You don't have to have something directly handed to you just to be spoiled.

There are those who actually take on various challenges to get what they deserve. I don't believe it is difficult at all to at least find people in the top alliances to help you enter the Elite Missions. "Give me this, give me that..." I believe ArenaNet is already tired of spoiling everyone with all the changes they have to make to the game because most are too dense to figure out a way to overcome certain problems themselves (i.e. IWAY, spike, etc.).

If these members of these top alliances can do it, I don't see why you all, who seem so dedicated to the game to petition against it, cannot. They, of course, are people just like you, and are taking their own personal time to achieve their high amounts of Faction. These people are also willing to let you leech off of them. I really think you are being unreasonable to ask for more from people who are just like you. Take the initiative in-game. I doubt it's as hard as most of you think it is.

I don't see any contact info tagged onto those cities ingame, who do I contact? Go to HzH and spam 'omgz I wanna join elite mission plx' when there isn't even anyone belonging to that alliance there?

What if Korean alliance holds the city? Do I have to learn to speak Korean in order to join these elite missions?

The whole alliance thing supports only big zerg guilds, that don't necessarily have anything to do with skill. An 8 peep guild of RL friends or somesuch can be more skilled than a 500 player Alliance.

No way a 8 peep guild can grind the same amount of 500 players can, so this more skilled group is left out, unless they find someone from the 'elite alliance' to tag along with them. I don't like huge zerg guilds thus I'm not joining one. Does that make me 'unworthy' of facing these harder challenges, even if I work as hard as any 'zergie' would, with only the difference I'm not under this huge glorious banner of Zerg. Actually a zergie that just belongs to the zerg alliance can get into the elite without doing anything at all, some skill/work requirement...

Reiden Argrock · May 05, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by jgortner

A-Net and Everyone,

I love Guild Wars and nearly everything about it, so please don't take this note of critisism and requtest the wrong way.

I would like to start a petition for everyone that agrees that the elitiest restriction on elite missions is absolutely rediculous. We have all paid for Factions and the content therein. The way the system is currently, some people will never have the opportunity to play these elite missions.

With the favor system, which is at least somewhat better, there was a clear rotation of favor to allow different territories to open the Underworld and Fissure of Woe.

A-Net: You spend a tremendous amount of time and effort developing this content, and we have spent an equal amount of time leveling up and progressing our characters. Please change this sytem to allow everyone to enjoy this content.

Only reply to this post if you agree and *only* with the following information:

Please quote: "I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

Full Name
In Game Name
Territory
Age
Guild Name (if any)

Thank you all,

Sincerely,
Isaac Ixbane

Bolded is where you blew it... A-Net has always emphasized that Guild Wars is not a time game, but a skill game, and while you could very well view the Elite Missions as a whoever has the most time available to farm faction, there is still a certain level of skill needed, to do the quests, to win the battles, to own the Elite Missions.

While I agree that the Elite Missions could probably do with a few more ways to access, I don't think they should just be available to anyone, whenever they want.

SoumaAyame · May 05, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Again, Kaguya, all you are doing is complaining and looking at the downside of things. Because there are moments that can hinder your participation in the Elite Mission, you must note the obvious and hope that you aren't acting spoiled?

The guild I am in with my friends, Pros At Inactivity [bleh], literally lives by its name. With about five active members, we aren't really able to compete for control of the Elite Missions.

... so?

My friends, who are pretty anti-social in the Guild Wars world, still are able to seize chances to be able to enter the Elite Missions. Honestly, it isn't that hard... You guys are just overexaggerating so that you can have things the way you want them to be.

Kaguya · May 05, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by SoumaAyame

Again, Kaguya, all you are doing is complaining and looking at the downside of things. Because there are moments that can hinder your participation in the Elite Mission, you must note the obvious and hope that you aren't acting spoiled?

The guild I am in with my friends, Pros At Inactivity [bleh], literally lives by its name. With about five active members, we aren't really able to compete for control of the Elite Missions.

... so?

My friends, who are pretty anti-social in the Guild Wars world, still are able to seize chances to be able to enter the Elite Missions. Honestly, it isn't that hard... You guys are just overexaggerating so that you can have things the way you want them to be.

Last I checked this is a discussion forum, and there is always people and opinions how things should work. Saying that your opinion is 'spoiled' is as silly as arguing about liking/disliking a banana.

From my point of view, the whole elite mission mechanism is flawed. The whole control cities system is silly. Is there even a benefit in holding the minor outposts other than having your guild tag on it, and a merchant selling stuff at different prices. Ohyeah, omgfireworks too.

And what opportunities are you able to seize to enter the elite? Especially if you'd play on a 'casual' schedule, a set timeframe. What if the alliance that 'offers' the elite to others isn't controlling it? What if it is held by some non-english speaking alliance? You won't be able to enter the content, and as much as people keep parroting 'omg you need skill/omg you have to work', neither the skill or work change the fact that small groups aren't able to try the mission even if they have the skill and work required for it. There just is no way for a small group to farm 1.5M faction to take control. Even if "people like me" would offer to let me into their elite, how long will that remain as is? When do they start asking for 10k gold fees etc?

Player controlled access to content is always bad.

Evilsod · May 05, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Reiden Argrock

Bolded is where you blew it... A-Net has always emphasized that Guild Wars is not a time game, but a skill game, and while you could very well view the Elite Missions as a whoever has the most time available to farm faction, there is still a certain level of skill needed, to do the quests, to win the battles, to own the Elite Missions.

While I agree that the Elite Missions could probably do with a few more ways to access, I don't think they should just be available to anyone, whenever they want.

The last time i checked doing the same repeatable mission over and over again to 'farm faction' wasn't classed as skillful. When did this change?

LucasAshrock · May 05, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Sorry, but elite mission is only for pro

That's why a guild must have a lot of members and ally too. In a 30 members guild surely u can find 3 or 4 pro player. They will be member of elite mission. Others must study and work on build with coop and record mission. When 1 day they will be rdy ,maybe,maybe,maybe, they can go to elite mission. 90% of normal players don't arrive near 1/4 of elite mission. And ventrilo/Ts is absolutely needed, with high perf ultra fast weapons too. Sorry, but elite is elite.

The Muffen Man · May 05, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

/signed

Gizmo Loco · May 05, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

/sign

aron searle · May 05, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Can someone please explain to me using LOGIC, and not insults or brainless comments of the "cry more spoiled brat", exactly how being in a large alliance with alot of people farming for faction makes you skilled?

What if someone is the most skilled player in existance but chooses to play with his friends rather than join a large faction farming group.

I simply cannot see the connection beetween skill and faction farming, its a numbers game not a skill game, and whoever can dedicate the most **time** wins.

Ive yet to read one single decent argument other than all this "work for it you crybaby" crap.

Rhuobhe · May 05, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

And I, as a rank 1 want to take HoH - it should not only be accessable to those who can get into good, organized groups.

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Cloudstriker · May 05, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

/signed

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

and to echo what someone else said (sorry i dont have the name) how in the hell does being part of a large alliance equate to skill level and having the right to elite missions. A large alliance simply has the sheer numbers to farm faction night and day. Think of it this way:

100 members in an alliance that get 100 faction for losing an alliance battle because they suck. They've just made a collective 10 000 faction by LOSING.

alen · May 05, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

/signed

Atleast make more Elite Missions

shadowfell · May 05, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

/signed

Lialla Shadowfell
us territories

Don't let this turn into another flame fest, like the last one did. It will just get it closed. Everyone knows why they want it kept the way it is, and everyone knows why the people who don't have it, want it changed. The haters who already have the alliance and right to fight around the elite challenges, and the ability to overcharge people for nifty looking zodiac items do NOT want that to change. It's their cash cow and bragging right.

chrisbeebops · May 05, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication.

Full Name - Chris F.
In Game Name - Raigor the Bright
Territory - US
Age - 17
Guild Name - The Random Squad [bobo]

Evilsod · May 05, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by shadowfell

Don't let this turn into another flame fest, like the last one did. It will just get it closed. Everyone knows why they want it kept the way it is, and everyone knows why the people who don't have it, want it changed. The haters who already have the alliance and right to fight around the elite challenges, and the ability to overcharge people for nifty looking zodiac items do NOT want that to change. It's their cash cow and bragging right.

The last 1 was fun though, i was in that up until the end and the only person defending this stupid setup for Elite Missions was using the elitist bullshit approach and contradicting himself every other post. They all know that these 'Elite' missions have absolutely nothing to do with skill what-so-ever, they just don't want to admit it because then they may lose there access to the uber Zodiac weapons when they become common for anyone who gets to enter. All they care about is the gold in there storage, nothing else.