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Krank · Jul 23, 2005, 06:07 AM // 06:07

I dont see how its fair to us sword warriors that axe/hammer have 2-3 elites wich are fairly good, and swords are stuck with hundred blades, Dont get me wrong its a good skill, but... its lacking, and a little variety couldnt hurt.

Anyone else think swordsmen should get another elite?

ShinJin Kahn · Jul 23, 2005, 07:39 AM // 07:39

There are 2 or 3 other skills in tactics and strength that req a sword, theres none for axes or hammers so it kinda evens it out.

Krank · Jul 23, 2005, 08:04 AM // 08:04

I understand what your saying, but how many warriors sacrifice skills in thier main (sword/axe) to get 16 in tactics or str?
Not many, What i trying to say, is that axe and hammer get the bonus of the 16 att, whereas sword doesnt.

Thomasuwoo · Jul 23, 2005, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Hundered blades isn't linked and is still powerul. Florish is STR linked (Which should be high anyhow) and is also very powerful.
Swords are plenty powerul without and elite anyway. You can use the elite space for another elite skill quite happily.

quanzong · Jul 23, 2005, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Krank

I understand what your saying, but how many warriors sacrifice skills in thier main (sword/axe) to get 16 in tactics or str?
Not many, What i trying to say, is that axe and hammer get the bonus of the 16 att, whereas sword doesnt.

People build up there STR or tatics, some shields req 12 tatics or str, having the max 16 tatics or str doesnt mean anything. Now if you dont like tatics or STR you should change to hammer because then you just worry about 1 thing instead of many things.

Racthoh · Jul 23, 2005, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by ShinJin Kahn

There are 2 or 3 other skills in tactics and strength that req a sword, theres none for axes or hammers so it kinda evens it out.

Riposte and Deadly Riposte, but no one attacks a warrior in PvP so no one uses them. They're great in PvE with a lot of tactics, I always use them when I solo. Those make up for sword having fewer skills in general, but doesn't explain why there is a single elite.

Sword - 9, 1 Elite
Axe - 10, 2 Elite
Hammer- 12, 3 Elite

Not to mention the fact there is Dwarven Battle stance for Strength which would be yet another elite for Hammer. Not to mention Axe and Hammer can inflict Weakness, while Sword cannot. And who needs to cripple when you can just knock your opponent down?

So why did sword get the short end of the stick in this game?

Swarnt Brightstar · Jul 23, 2005, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Because, it's all-around and basically for beginners, have you noticed that in pre-searing, you are given a starter 'SWORD'! it's generally the simplest weapon to use and they had less skills/elites because the new people would have a problem.... (at least that's my assumption, but I have no clue how someone can still be a newbie at crystal desert....)

Also, the swords damage is generally even and not a large span between min. damage and max. damage, however the axes max damage is 6-28, and the sword's staying at 15-22! then there's the hammer which almost no one uses in PvE or PvP because of the 'slow' attack speed (which is nothin' compared to a bow....) and your in-ability to use a focus (which the bow isnt able to use either).

And on the topic of the bow, can they at least make it equal to a hammer?

Keep in mind that a sword is like a W/R it's a generally an all-around character, sword is generally an all-around weapon!

quanzong · Jul 23, 2005, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Maybe because you can only use 1 elite skill, 2 hammer elites are similar devasting hammer knockdown + weakness, and just backbreaker with just knockdown. I find this 100 blades quite unique, no need for another sword elite, what would it do? Bleed? Server artery does that well.

Thomasuwoo · Jul 24, 2005, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Riposte and Deadly Riposte, but no one attacks a warrior in PvP so no one uses them.

You're teeling me you've never run a monk/necro/ele/mesmer with a war secondary and tried these skills? Good times

Thomasuwoo · Jul 24, 2005, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by Swarnt Brightstar

Because, it's all-around and basically for beginners, have you noticed that in pre-searing, you are given a starter 'SWORD'! it's generally the simplest weapon to use and they had less skills/elites because the new people would have a problem.... (at least that's my assumption, but I have no clue how someone can still be a newbie at crystal desert....)

Also, the swords damage is generally even and not a large span between min. damage and max. damage, however the axes max damage is 6-28, and the sword's staying at 15-22! then there's the hammer which almost no one uses in PvE or PvP because of the 'slow' attack speed (which is nothin' compared to a bow....) and your in-ability to use a focus (which the bow isnt able to use either).

And on the topic of the bow, can they at least make it equal to a hammer?

Keep in mind that a sword is like a W/R it's a generally an all-around character, sword is generally an all-around weapon!

If you don't like your bows attackspeed have you ever tried the elite quickshot? Use this with quickening zepher and you can turn your bow into a machine gun. Another fav combo of mine ignite arrows followed by quick shot, distracting shot, quick shot.
BOOM!

Racthoh · Jul 24, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

You're teeling me you've never run a monk/necro/ele/mesmer with a war secondary and tried these skills? Good times

Well I've seen a few using a sword but they weren't secondary warrior. Very strange, they die fast though.

I have a problem with the general lack of sword skills the warrior has. There isn't much variety in it, and what is the assumption when you see a sword wielding warrior? Sever, Gash, Galrath, Final. Sever, Gash, Galrath, Final. Ugh, where is the originality in that?

hidden_agenda · Jul 25, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

agreed -- there should be more elites specifically for swords

as it is, swords are great looking but somewhat weaker than the other two weapons in skilled hands.

Winterclaw · Jul 25, 2005, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I've got two warrior PCs and both were given starter hammers. I feel gypped.

OT: Yeah, sword guys may need a few more skills and at least one more elite, but what they have isn't too shabby.

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I have a problem with the general lack of sword skills the warrior has. There isn't much variety in it, and what is the assumption when you see a sword wielding warrior? Sever, Gash, Galrath, Final. Sever, Gash, Galrath, Final. Ugh, where is the originality in that?

I only use sever and gash these days when I've got ViM equipped. Usually I have galrath and pure strike equipped.

Iceciro · Jul 25, 2005, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Hammer skills would be better if they didnt take so many strikes of adrenaline to rack up, and if you got USEFUL hammer skills early game. What pre-searing skills do you get for swords? Sever and Gash. What pre-searing skills do you get for Hammers? Hammer Bash, which is way up there on the lame-o-meter. 8 Strikes of adrenaline to use, instant loss of any spare adrenaline you have, and ALL IT DOES IS KNOCKDOWN! It doesnt even add extra damage?!?! The skill sucks. (I know GW Guru says it's a 6 strike attack, but in game it's eight.)

Oh, yeah... Swords need more elites. Even an elite to cause weakness would be welcome.

Swarnt Brightstar · Jul 30, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

If you don't like your bows attackspeed have you ever tried the elite quickshot? Use this with quickening zepher and you can turn your bow into a machine gun. Another fav combo of mine ignite arrows followed by quick shot, distracting shot, quick shot.
BOOM!

But does the hammer have to use up 3-4 skill slots just to get it that fast?
No offense I see your point though. I use barrage as my elite because it adds 12 damage and I can spam it all day, where do you get quickshot?

johnnylange · Jul 30, 2005, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Well I've seen a few using a sword but they weren't secondary warrior. Very strange, they die fast though.

Ah, that reminds me of the good old wanna be tanks!

No offense to those, but if you wanna be a tank, be a Warrior. Warrior class doesn't make a very good 2nd class. I play a monk as well and those are the one's that have to be constantly healed just so they can stay alive or not die as fast as they would without me.

Anyway, I use only axes because I like the axe skills the best and the look of my Chaos Axe.

Swarnt Brightstar · Jul 30, 2005, 02:16 PM // 14:16

LOL, I love how my PINK chaos axe looks but I dont like axes, now I'm going hammersmiter, I gave up with the sword that really has no originality...

Thomasuwoo · Jul 30, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Swarnt Brightstar

But does the hammer have to use up 3-4 skill slots just to get it that fast?
No offense I see your point though. I use barrage as my elite because it adds 12 damage and I can spam it all day, where do you get quickshot?

Yes. You can't get a hammer going anywhere near that fast. Unless you have I will avenge you and another speed skill like frenzy or flurry.
I pointed out above quick shot + distract + quick (Plus prep) That's 3 skills. If you're using zephry you just click quick shot until you run out of energy. Maxine Coldstone of Perdition rock has it. She shares a spawn with the Obsidon Flesh boss so it's a 50/50 chance she'll spawn. You'll know she's about cause she litters the island with spirts.

A quick rundown of war weapons (General)

Hammer = Nasty dmg and knockdown on a single oppent.
Axe = Deep wounding and usefull for taking on multiple oppents.
Sword = Bleeding, Cripling, Good Dmg combinations, Generaly for one oppent.

By far the best skill on the sword is hamstring. Very underused but prevents your opponet from running. By using hunderd blades it can build up adrenalin in enemy groups far faster then cyclone axe. You can also use final thurst galrarth slash and pure strike for some straight up dmg.
Hammers can't cause Bleeding or Crippled (With hammer skills)
Axes can't cause Bleeding (With axe skills)
Swords can't cause Weakness (With Sword skills)

Also don't forget savage slash. It will intuerpt the action regaurdless of what it was (Just like distracting shot, without the nasty recharge time vs skills attached.) and if it was a spell cause extra dmg.

The sword is a very versatile weapon and is usally the best choice for a non war primary. I could work on a few builds to counter the more popular ones out there if anyone is interested.

Lagg · Jul 30, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Thomasuwoo

A quick rundown of war weapons (General)

Hammer = Nasty dmg and knockdown on a single oppent.
Axe = Deep wounding and usefull for taking on multiple oppents.
Sword = Bleeding, Cripling, Good Dmg combinations, Generaly for one oppent.

By far the best skill on the sword is hamstring. Very underused but prevents your opponet from running. By using hunderd blades it can build up adrenalin in enemy groups far faster then cyclone axe. You can also use final thurst galrarth slash and pure strike for some straight up dmg.
Hammers can't cause Bleeding or Crippled (With hammer skills)
Axes can't cause Bleeding (With axe skills)
Swords can't cause Weakness (With Sword skills)

Also don't forget savage slash. It will intuerpt the action regaurdless of what it was (Just like distracting shot, without the nasty recharge time vs skills attached.) and if it was a spell cause extra dmg.

The sword is a very versatile weapon and is usally the best choice for a non war primary. I could work on a few builds to counter the more popular ones out there if anyone is interested.

This man knows what he's talking about.

This said, I'm a truely convinced sword warrior, though I'm Warrior primary and I have 0 Tactics. In my opinion, there are three skills (2 adrenal and 1 energy) in Swordsmanship that make this one of the best choices for a Warrior; and none of them are elites. Having tried both Hammer and Axe mastery, I've always found myself reverting back to Swordsmanship later on.

It really depends a lot on your build, but believe me, swords are not underpowered.

Hell no.

chaoticmadness · Aug 14, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by Swarnt Brightstar

Because, it's all-around and basically for beginners, have you noticed that in pre-searing, you are given a starter 'SWORD'! it's generally the simplest weapon to use and they had less skills/elites because the new people would have a problem.... (at least that's my assumption, but I have no clue how someone can still be a newbie at crystal desert....)

Also, the swords damage is generally even and not a large span between min. damage and max. damage, however the axes max damage is 6-28, and the sword's staying at 15-22! then there's the hammer which almost no one uses in PvE or PvP because of the 'slow' attack speed (which is nothin' compared to a bow....) and your in-ability to use a focus (which the bow isnt able to use either).

And on the topic of the bow, can they at least make it equal to a hammer?

Keep in mind that a sword is like a W/R it's a generally an all-around character, sword is generally an all-around weapon!

WOW are you dumb you get a starter hammer in pre searing PWNED