Curse

lg5000 · Aug 13, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Clone

Resurrect skills were put in the game for a reason. You can recover from the death of somebody in the party. But if some survivor type logs off because things aren't going the way they want them to, it becomes a burden on the team. If people could restart this at any time, we'd have more people going for this title, and probably more party drop outs. This wouldn't be something I'd want to see happen.

My problem in aiming for this title is that I"m the last one standing, and because my secondary isn't monk or rit.. I've used my res already. Do I.. die and loose the title, or quit cause we're not going anywhere anyway?

Personal frustration with the title is the fact I run up to 3 self-preservation skills, which leaves me with 4 slots for damage... I sooo can't wait till I can have 7 slots for damage again (1 slot is a res at all times) because I know that me not running more than 4 damage skills IS hindering the team to at least some degree.

It would be nice if we could have some type of title for the older characters, but maybe not the same survivor title? And I wouldn't mind seeing a title for /deaths either

Talon one · Aug 13, 2006, 11:35 PM // 23:35

/not signed

not only would it make the title way too easy to get for farmers, but it would also increase the number of survivorquitters in later missions. as the title is now, those going for the title will play mostly with henchies or friends at some point - the typical /ragequitter will die sooner or later and give up going after the title. but if it would just restart, there would be no end to it, they'd get a few k exp, die, and still quit from the next mission where they drop below 60% health.

Kidney Licker · Aug 13, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

How about an NPC at the end of the game that can remove deaths for say 1 plat each.

Sure this would reward rich players but the Survivor title is also a farming title too. It would create another gold sink, and really for careful players it wouldn't be that expensive.

Or if A.Net are struggling for money they could put it in the Guild Wars store. 0.50 Dollar/pound for each death removed ><. Probably pass on it for my thousand of deaths characters.

Shadowspawn X · Aug 14, 2006, 01:59 AM // 01:59

/not signed

Getting from lvl 1 to 20 with no deaths is an important part of the title. If some one gets to Legendary Survivior it should be account based. Also, level one and two survivors should be done away with to prevent powerleveling at the low levels. Current title holders grandfathered in of course.

Fate · Aug 14, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by thrashbasket

/notsigned
if it wasn't like it is now, everyone and the cat would have it

A compromise, what if you could still lose the title until you get lvl3 of it? Like you earn lvl1, you earn lvl 2, you die, you start over. You earn lvl3 and you can keep it permenently. You could even add more levels to it.

Safety points at lvls 3, 7 and 9. So if a level 6 dies they go to 3, but if a lvl 8 dies they go to 7.

Bane of Worlds · Aug 14, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Fate

A compromise, what if you could still lose the title until you get lvl3 of it? Like you earn lvl1, you earn lvl 2, you die, you start over. You earn lvl3 and you can keep it permenently. You could even add more levels to it.

Safety points at lvls 3, 7 and 9. So if a level 6 dies they go to 3, but if a lvl 8 dies they go to 7.

ummm that would encourage skill point farming...

I would say that either have it as a gold sink as in 10k per death reset or a quest like the OP suggested but one time only

Pentagonal_Penguin · Aug 14, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

Sorry but there's plenty of holes in that argument. It is actually easier to get Survivor with a brand new character, especially Canthan.

Don't believe me? Make a new Canthan character. Do all the Shing Jea quests, you'll leave the Island about level 18. A few more side quests and you hit level 20 without ever doing any mainland missions (and thus get Survivor)

It's so laughably easy with a new character, I've done it twice now in around 8 hours. It can probably be done faster even. First time with an assassin of all things. The second time I did it a Ritualist and henchies even (got Masters on the Shing Jea missions easily)

Older characters will not have that advantage since they can't pick up an easy 140k xp just from beginner quests, and chances are probably already done a number of the missions. If anything it will be a bit harder, because probably already done missions and quests with your old character so no easy 1-3k rewards.

Yes, I understand that canthans have advantages (eg easy Shing Jea quests with lots of exp), but the older characters would still have severe advantages (Eg, not being able to start their survivor title streak after having completed a bunch of the hard missions, which people on this thread are suggesting older characters be able to do)

(The argument about the hard missions only really applies to Indominitable and Legendary - as you have noted, Survivor isn't that hard. Still not trivial though)

Also, for Survivor, getting from level 1 to 20 without dying is the spirit of the title, as others have said. Not killing 1400 trolls. The way it is, if you plan to farm the titles (and now I'm talking about the harder ones, as you said, survivor is pretty easy, especially for canthans), then you at least need to get to droks, which implies some play skills other than farming (is it possible to get run to droks without dying?). If, as people here suggest, older characters would just switch into farming mode and kill 10000 trolls. Surely you don't think that's worthy of a title?

I have Legendary Survivor, on my monk, achieved by fighting (almost always with henchies) up to unwaking waters on both sides, ascending in Tyria, and capturing 125 or so elites, including from dangerous bosses like Tarlok Evermind, all without dying. That is surely more worthy of a title than a Mo/W who is really good at farming trolls, yet because of date of creation doesn't need to worry about actually surviving to level 20, let alone to 1337500?

Angelic Girl · Aug 14, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by xiaotsu

It's not unfair to older characters, as Taken said, there was no reason you had to die before the title, stop being greedy for titles, you died, deal with it.

hmm let's see, few things could be here >.>

1.) You have a survivor ( I wont ask how you got it... )

2.) You started playing after the implement of the title system and therefore had all chances

For myself my Necromancer exists for 14 months >.> which is WAAAAY before there were even rumours of titles, I gvged with her and did HA and stuff, you think I wont die?

besides the only people that are really against this idea are mostly the ones who have plvled Survivors and don't want that we get chances too, instead they just want to point and laugh "
haha im survivor and your not idiot" I think it's rather retarded.

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How about an NPC at the end of the game that can remove deaths for say 1 plat each.

Sure this would reward rich players but the Survivor title is also a farming title too. It would create another gold sink, and really for careful players it wouldn't be that expensive.

Or if A.Net are struggling for money they could put it in the Guild Wars store. 0.50 Dollar/pound for each death removed ><. Probably pass on it for my thousand of deaths characters.

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I use my Character in HA / GvG I got LOTS of deaths on her I admit but there's no way im going to pay for it to be removed.... maybe if it was cheaper but otherwise nah

dare49devil · Aug 14, 2006, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by xiaotsu

stop being greedy for titles, you died, deal with it.

Exaxctly.

Kidney Licker · Aug 14, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by xiaotsu

stop being greedy for titles, you died, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by dare49devil

Exaxctly.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo.

With these Survivor threads for older characters popping up it makes me think that Nightfall can't come out soon enough for people. I'll have to rush my last 4 characters through Factions before it becomes a ghost town

NeHoMaR · Aug 14, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Suvivor title for old characters for only 140.000 experience? nooo! Must be like 500.000 experience without die, remember you are already level 20 and know how to play.

Darth Marth · Aug 14, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

*signs*

*sneaks back in disguise to sign again*

I've always been aggravated that y beloved Mesmer can never get Survivor. I would love to see this implemented somehow.

Angelic Girl · Aug 14, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Suvivor title for old characters for only 140.000 experience? nooo! Must be like 500.000 experience without die, remember you are already level 20 and know how to play.

Sure the amount matters not to me, it's the chance that matters =)

NeHoMaR · Aug 14, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Or a new title: Experienced

Riplox · Aug 14, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

That's cool. It sould be based on quests and missions completed overall. If you just finish the mission or do a quest you get 1 point, whereas if you do the bonus to the mission, complete a quest worth 5000 or more xp, or get a higher ranking on a canthan mission, you get 2 points. This makes it so it's not based off exprience. But once you do the mission or quest and get points, you can't get any more from that mission or quest again.

logan90 · Aug 14, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

/signed

But those saying about buying back deaths for money should think of the old characters. I wouldnt like to have to pay 2000k @ 1k per death to get rid of all the deaths on my monk so i can have a chance at getting a title that was added 1 year after i made the character. (2000~ deaths due to PvP and lots of PvE)

Guinevere Ac · Aug 16, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

/signed big times. 15 months old char. i have all the possible titles. why the hell should i be allowed to go for this title? everyone that played guild wars since the first days... why the hell shouldn't we be allowed to get this title?

Kidney Licker · Aug 17, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Instead of a Survivor tile for older characters they should make an Elite Farmer title.

First level is 1000,000 exp points and picked up 100,000 gold, (not items, actual gold drops).
Second level is 10,000,000 exp points and picked up 1000,000 gold, (not items, actual gold drops).
Third level is 100,000,000 exp points and picked up 10,000,000 gold, (not items, actual gold drops).

Xpl0iter · Aug 17, 2006, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

As far as i see, I have 3 char with over 2 million expereince. One of which is my favourite char. I have spent great deal of time on that specific char and wanted to get my survivor title. I have died numerous times due to the fact that, i can never attain survivor title on this character and there is no point in running away from death.

Let me suggest this:
A quest, just like the one we have in Cantha for Luxon and Kurzick Factions of 10,000.
Set it up like this:

Quest is not repeatable.
Once, taken the quest, can't be abandoned since it is going to have no affects on your surroundings. Your enemies will remain the very same. (Unless, this person has had no deaths since the quest was taken. In that situation, quest should let the person abandon it)
Once that person dies while the quest was active. The quest fails and is not repeatable.
From the point, when the quest was taken, Experience till that moment is noted down in Quest's Logs of that Character. Lets say, 4 million expereince. After that, the behaviour of quest should remain the same as the original Survivor title's.

I assume this changes the need of wiping the death counter? Easier to implement if i am not wrong, when compared to other suggestions and makes more sense.

Bythe way /Signed ( I want to see my ele with survivor title )

I had this posted in another thread. What do u guys think?

Cirian · Aug 17, 2006, 12:13 PM // 12:13

/signed the OP's post

I like the idea of older characters having a shot at this... providing the game can remember how much exp you had the last time you died, it should work

The thing I like about this title is that it's not a bizarre money grind, forking out for keys or ale!

I mean, Cartographer and Protector were actually fun to get and I got richer in the process!