Curse

Chris Blackstar · Sep 08, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by wilderness

So what you're saying is everything is too expensive now? Rubbish. You can spend a few days farming or buying and selling and afford any of the 'standard' rare skins if you know what you're doing.

Gold weapons and Fow armor are not essential, you can buy armor with exactly the same stats for 1.5k, and greens/collecters items for next to nothing. These items are supposed to be a symbol of achievment, and a reward for those who have put the effort in
You make ecto cheaper and everyone starts running around in FoW wielding crystaline swordsand it all becomes completly redundant.

The point is: more expensive in GWs does not mean better. Every expensive item has a cheap counterpart. Items were designed from the start to make sure players that would never be able to afford the rarer items would not be left behind.

If you want the rarer items, put the effort in.

Exactly my point, the quote you respond to was from another, from which I was trying to explain that 55 monks don't need to be nerfed because inflation is the cause of players using bots to farm money, and all the things you mentioned where impliemented to tone down price gauging by players on items and mods. By the way FoW armor is garbage, far better armor out there and cheaper.

By the way, I am not bitter, but you are DEE,DEE,DEE. Learn to read a little more into what people are saying, before you respond to an aguement, I do not care about rare items, I have plenty of gold, and the know how to farm items I so desire. This is about preventing the nerfing of another build or skills, to the misunderstanding of the primary cause of why bots were created.

EternalTempest · Sep 08, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

/Not Signed

There are way to many non-55 farming builds for this to have any effect.

For those that thing these 55 hp monk would then be in parties to help heal.. they just switch over to non-monk aka not "free up" monks.

Anet can easily (and has with Factions + Later) alter mob groups to make this not work as part of level design where they don't want it.

wilderness · Sep 08, 2006, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

This is about preventing the nerfing of another build or skills.

55s won't be nerfed. They've already been controlled, localised to certain areas where bots can be easily monitered. (See ETs post above)

There will always be a way to exploit the game for profit. There's no way to prevent this unless we destroty the market completely and make all items available for the same prices at merchants, and make those prices stick.

Regardless of the moral/legal arguments against bots, and your crys of 'inflation', the values remain relative and there is no real problem.

Zakarr · Sep 08, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

55 hp build doesn't need nerfing. It is vulnerable against enchantment removing, massive degen and pathetic against decent life stealing.

Spirit bonder is something which would need more attention than 55 hp because only counters against it are enchantment removing and below 60 damage (15 armor or less) spamming assuming you have also high health. Life stealing spikes work too but these are not in PvE.

Silver_Fang · Sep 08, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

55 is not the only solo farming build, there are lots and lots of solo farming build, seen the ritualist video? Forest farm, and even a newer version, a Ecto solo farming Ritualist build. Ritualist Warden farming, troll farming, Vermin farm. Ritualist is the new farming King!

Minus Sign · Sep 08, 2006, 01:10 PM // 13:10

1. 605 build makes this useless

2 again, the 605; why use a cesta?

3 RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO with my boonprot, my RC, my BL and i'll eata you face

4 you better find something else rather than blast the prot line because this ranger has an itch

5*considering how much faster, easier and more practical it is to farm most areas with other builds, I find it hard to believe that all/most bot farmers are still 55s. You just know where the 55 bots are (or think you do).

Sphinx2k · Sep 08, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by foo

1. make the hp loss from two runes of the same attribute not stack. this will automaticly get the minimum hp to 130, and will make 55monking much harder, and with no downside for other players.

Actully it would be just as easy if they removed the second -75hp. Run out die get 15%dp and that 130hp turns into the magical 60hp coupled with the -20item and u get the new 40hp(10hp with the -50 cesta) farming monk build :P. If anet was to remove the -20hp offhand as well just run out get 30dp put a major rune in place of the double sup and you now have a 25hp monk.

As for touching PS that is a no no.

S_Serpent · Sep 08, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

/UNSIGNED

And I've never farmed with my primary monk, loved my 55hp Elementalist way better for it :P and we do have 5 different superior runes. I don't need perfect golds, I fight with perfect greens, I don't need rare skin, my greens are rare enough for me. All I need is gold to buy skills and skill points, so that's why I farm solo!

but 55 is a viable build so don't trash something, then we should ban all knives simply because they can be used for killing instead of cutting your meat :P

Hockster · Sep 08, 2006, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by foo

(Mods: please not move this into the sanitarium. I know it's a kind of a suggestion, but it is also an important general game discussion, that I want us to have here).

Bwahahahahahahahahaaha!! Important game discussion? ROFLMAO

Here's a better idea, nerf whiners please.

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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

I suggest you take a ride over to LA, and or any other town and see for yourself what items are going for, look at my join date, I have been playing the game since the the second beta weekend, and the economy has only got worse since GW has come out. I remember when ectos where still set a 100G., do you?

Sorry buddy, the price resets don't count. You're not the only one that was around for that. The ecto price was back in the 15K+ range quite shortly. Care to take another shot at credibilty?

Stockholm · Sep 08, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

The 55 built will not be nerfed by A-Net, no matter what we think, the bot's will not go away(some get banned so it looks like they make an effort),
players using bot's are a big source of income for NC-Soft.
I would like to see them gone, but alas .......
As far as the 55 goes it is cleaver built using skills and runes , but all it takes is a couple off mesmer monsters to stop the bot's from farming that area, then it takes a human input.
So unless you (OP) can come up with an Income source equalling what NC-soft makes on the bot operators I don't see any changes to the Bot's even if the 55 is nerfed.

GUE Tech · Sep 08, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Oh no not again! What is wrong with you. Have you tried the 55? It is not all that great anymore, and who really cares about the bots? Post after post after post, it does nothing to the game. The developers have done enough nerfing without skill changes. Do you think they don't know about the 55?
It adds some fun and variety to the game i think.

Oh wait I know how to balance everything perfectly:

1. One class for everyone
2. One skill for everyone
3. One weapon for everyone
4. One set of armor for everyone

Maybe we can have different skins to pick from, but they would all do the same thing.

Sound sarcastic? Well this is where this game is headed. True there may be some serious imbalances from time to time, that need fixed. but give us some room to have fun too. Gee Whiz.

Tell everyon what your favorite, secret, this is what I think gives me an edge on the battlefield skill is, so I can cry NERF!!

All that being said, I hardly play my 55 anymore anyways, infact, after over a year of dedication I've lost heart. The EoE thing pushed me over the edge, and I don't even use it that often. The only time I used it was for farming char carvings and gargoyle skulls for holiday items, with my warrior no less. But it has gotten absurd.

I am playing something else now with horrid balance, I mean it takse 15 guys to take down 1 guy in pvp, but in some strange way it's a hoot. And you know what, if I don't like it I could play that class too.

What else while I am at it. Oh I know, this game also has, wait.. wait for it...

AN AUCTION HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh, and it's not that goofy cartoon land WoW.

Sorry, I am done now.

Edit: While I was typing this I just sold something on the auction house :P

Edit: Ha! Just sold 2 more things.

Red-Tide · Sep 08, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51

/not signed

Enough whining about the 55's...

Ehrenia · Sep 08, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

you cannot change these skills for a farming reason as they are used in pvp too often and are fine as they are.

Misa · Sep 08, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Um nerf 55 monks and all you will see is tons of warrior farmers. Warriors can farm the droknars forge troll cave and there are builds which are very fast too. I guarantee the gold sellers will find another way of farming. May aswell nerf all the farming areas if you cant stop the farmers lol. How about anet just nerf gold making so noone can make gold?

Anet wont nerf 55 hp monks lol.

Please explain how it damages the economy more than it helps people.

Btw your idea sucks and will never happen and has been said tons in the past so expect it to be closed.

Thanks for posting that

On top of what Herbalizer said, whoever started this thread should understand that 55 is a build, not an exploit. It works because it takes skills not because it's a bug.

rong626 · Sep 08, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06

NO!MANY PPL ARE FARMING WITH 55 HP MONKS.SO U WANT TO MAKE 55 HP NO U WANT TO MAKE 55HP MONKS GET NERF?HOW CAN U DO THAT?THATS GW PROBLEM IF THEY CANT BAN THESE BOTS,THATS NOT OURS!OUR JOB IS TO HAVE FUN,BUY NIGHTFALL,ENJOY IT,AND LET ARENANET DO THE UPDATES!

yes im a noob.

GloryFox · Sep 08, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

/signed

/signed again

/signed for a third time

Personaly I am so sick of trying for an hour to actualy quest in UW only to have it ruined by 55's LF SS necro. There is more to this game then ecto.

Nexium · Sep 08, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Close this thread so the bitching will stop...

lyra_song · Sep 08, 2006, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Someone have graham crackers?

Kcp · Sep 08, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

The people that want 55's nerfed or removed from the game are clueless. If you nerf 55's then you're gonna have to deal with high hp spirit bonders. Then there will be a new thread nerf spirit bonders bla bla waa waa. The spirit bond monks aren't going to heal you just like a 55 hp'r wouldn't.

/notsigned

|pyro| · Sep 08, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

NOOOB,
I gues you are playing GW for like what 2 weeks and you are greedy and you envy those who have 15k/FoW armors and Rare skinn weapons?

BTW: Ever Heard of invinci ele or ele geomancer tank?, they can easily replace 55hp monk.