Curse

Glitched · Apr 08, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Rancour

Glitched: Why not a Norse theme for chapter 3?

Because Chapter 3 has been in develeopment since Fall 2005

Undivine · Apr 08, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Hmm.... Sorry, but that's too creative. It is neither generic fantasy RPG, nor Asian. Those are the two big RPG worlds that are "in" these days and we mustn't stray from what works.

Seriously though, I welcome any new setting that breaks the mold a little. Vikings rock! I want the enemies to have huge-ass beards with golden braids and a scar over one eye. Heck, do they need to be enemies? I mean, they're just too awesome for me to fight. Make this a whole freaken expansion!

Str0b0 · Apr 08, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Undivine

Hmm.... Sorry, but that's too creative. It is neither generic fantasy RPG, nor Asian. Those are the two big RPG worlds that are "in" these days and we mustn't stray from what works.

Seriously though, I welcome any new setting that breaks the mold a little. Vikings rock! I want the enemies to have huge-ass beards with golden braids and a scar over one eye. Heck, do they need to be enemies? I mean, they're just too awesome for me to fight. Make this a whole freaken expansion!

Vikings are getting some love too. They are ressurecting the Valkyrie Profile series for PS2.

Undivine · Apr 08, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Vikings are getting some love too. They are ressurecting the Valkyrie Profile series for PS2.

Wall that's good. Actually there is also the new Conan MMORPG.

I'm just bitter because nobody has yet made a game themed on Celtic mythology.

Symeon · Apr 08, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Rancour

but yeah, change the name. Vikings are cool, but the name Viking doesn't fit with the Guildwars theme somehow.

No, of course they wouldn't be called Vikings

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

Was thinking the 'Vikings' could be called 'Varlundians'.

Sound good enough?

Or what about Pirates + Vikings = 'Pikings'?

Str0b0 · Apr 08, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Undivine

Wall that's good. Actually there is also the new Conan MMORPG.

I'm just bitter because nobody has yet made a game themed on Celtic mythology.

Yeah but Conan wasn't a Viking. He was a Hyperborean, which roughly corresponds to Modern day Greenland, of the Cimmerian tribe. The Hyperboreans were the barbaric descendants of the Atlanteans I believe. Been awhile since I got into the Conan universe. I'd play the hell out of it though. Conan FTW!

Ristaron · Apr 08, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

A Norse themed Chapter would be my favourite of the entire Guild Wars line.

Str0b0 · Apr 08, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Personally I think a Native American Theme would be sweet. They had a lot of rich mythology to draw upon. The Anasazi and the Hopi lived in organized cities not unlike the Aztec, Olmec, Incan and Mayan civilizations. Not a lot of metal working skills there though but obsidian weapons would be pimp.

Rancour · Apr 08, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Glitched

Because Chapter 3 has been in develeopment since Fall 2005

*Smacks head* Silly me, hadn't thought of that.

Now, if we had a Norse mythology-stic (

) themed Chapter, what sort of classes would come out of it? Berserker would be an obvious candidate for a profession but is it original? Not really.

New profession: Bearded God?

Glitched · Apr 08, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Rancour

Now, if we had a Norse mythology-stic (

) themed Chapter, what sort of classes would come out of it?

A lot of people would like to see a bard-like class, or one that focuses on enchanting allies and hexing enemies. How about a Skald? Not 100% original, I think it has been done by one other game.

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The skald was a member of a group of courtly poets, whose poetry is associated with the courts of Scandinavian and Icelandic leaders during the Viking age, who composed and performed renditions of aspects of what we now characterise as Old Norse poetry. They often acted, at the same time, as bard, councillor, and warrior. Until the twelfth century, when the onset of Christianity, monks and the art of writing gradually foreclosed on the fundamentally oral form of Skaldic art, these poets travelled from country to country, welcomed as the honored guests of kings, (normally) receiving in return for their songs gifts such as rings and jewels of great value, although occasionally payment was in cash.

actionjack · Apr 08, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Should the vikin-like raider be of human race, or another race?

I would go for altnative race... maybe a Frost Giant?

Kattox1 · Apr 08, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Personally I think a Native American Theme would be sweet. They had a lot of rich mythology to draw upon. The Anasazi and the Hopi lived in organized cities not unlike the Aztec, Olmec, Incan and Mayan civilizations. Not a lot of metal working skills there though but obsidian weapons would be pimp.

I dunno... I read in an IGN interview with someone from the Anet staff (Alex Weekes I believe), and he said that (while not implying anything at all), they wanted to break away from your average fantasy western themes and used ASIA (chapter 2), and the MIDDLE-EAST arab stylie (possible chapter 3?) as two sources of inspiration and what-not. It may have been just an example of something he pulled out of his head but maybe it had some real meaning to it...

Soz for no link since I can't be bothered to check for it.

Symeon · Apr 09, 2006, 06:58 AM // 06:58

A 'Viking-style' expansion might open up such classes as a 'Barbarian' or a 'Raider'. Perhaps. Though this idea would obviously have to be added to for a whole new Guild Wars chapter....perhaps even a whole new map of similar size to Tyria above it?

Rancour · Apr 09, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Glitched

A lot of people would like to see a bard-like class, or one that focuses on enchanting allies and hexing enemies. How about a Skald? Not 100% original, I think it has been done by one other game.

That would be "skjald" if it were to be 100% correct Viking/Scandinavian... Not important though

Anyway, the problem with a character that specializes in hexes/enchants is that we already have stuff that's very much alike that. It sounds an awful lot like a Mo/Me or Mo/N...

Barbarian isn't bad, however, it may be a tad unoriginal. There are some good ideas on how a barbarian class could be made, and I wouldn't mind seeing it. Just not all that new.

Raider sounds cool but I can't exactly imagine how a Raider would be different from a warrior. I don't quite understand the idea behind a Raider. Isn't it just a greedy warrior*?

*Which would in turn mean the same as practically all warriors in GW already...

swordfisher · Apr 09, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

It think it's quite obvious that a Skjald deals in 'shouts.' This would actually make a veeeery interesting bit of gameplay, as shouts are instant cast like stances (can even be activated mid-cast, I believe) while stackable and area affect.

Undivine · Apr 09, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

The raider would have attributes like:

Rape - No inherent effect. Many skills associated with Rape, especially those related to dehumanizing people and having your way with them, improve as you put ranks into Rape.

Pillage - Gain + 3% more loot from killing innocents for each rank in Pillage.

Raze - No inherent effect. Many skills associated with Raze, especially burning stuff and burning other stuff, improve as you put ranks into Raze

Etc. I think it would be a pretty cool class.

Now my idea of the bard has always been not so much a hex / enchant sort of character, but rather a shouts and mass group buff sort of character with some swordplay skills. The bard in EverQuest was a freaken awesome character, for example.

ANet does not neccessarily have to be original in this regard; just balanced. In fact, if they make too many original classes, we could end up with cheese. Yes CHEESE. Original ideas can often be very lame indeed, especially if they have no real-world historical context behind them.

Now if they make a Celtic themed region, the Bard and the Druid are obvious choices. But I'm just being too hopeful.

Pocketlint · Sep 22, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

I know this thread's been down for a while, but the mystery of what's beyond Giant's Basin was irking me, so I did a forum search to see what other people thought about it.

Vikings are a good idea, but I think the more logical answer to what's north of Giant's Basin is well, giants (hence the name!). North of that area might have been the homeland of the giants.

I thought that since the lake was called Giant's Basin, it was the main route of attack for giants that felt they needed to expand their territory (they are huge after all, they probably eat a lot and need land) and through kryta was the only way to do it.

I belive they would have tried to go through the west, which was desert. The desert would have stopped the giants since they were used to living in a tropical climate with plenty of water, UNLESS they went around the lake, which means there might be a few explorable outposts and locations left.
The eastern path was right through what would have probably been a bog, and since the giants weigh so much, trying to move an army through the terrain would make the swamp like quicksand.
Therefore, the only logical route of invasion would be accross the lake, with COLOSSAL barges, which would be pretty cool to see and explore in game if we could go there.

As they landed, I would assume the Krytans did not have a large enough army to fend off the invasion, and therefore pleaded to the Elonians for aid, who came to the rescue (yeah, like the elves in Helms Deep). This accounts for their presence in the desert. On the way to kryta, they probably had to make a pit stop in Orr, and that might be how they learned of ascension in the desert. After aiding Kryta, they fended off the giant invasion using their superior fighting force (including dervishes and paragons

), and enslaved giants because they could have been of some use. They took the giants with them to the crystal desert, and upon failing to ascend and their settlers going extinct, the giants were set free and the mystical properties of the crystal desert (I guess, maybe someone else might come up with something more logical) made them turn to necromancy, instead of remaining warriors and rangers.

After the Elonians came to aid Kryta, some giants would have probably deserted the army and gone off into isolated areas, fearing all people and attacking them. This explains the giant's presence in Kryta and why out of the three species, these are the only giants with actual armor.

After suffering defeat (or before deciding to invade Kryta), the giants probably migrated to the shiverpeaks for hope of more land, resources, and food. Upon entering the mountains, they were seen by the xenophobic Stone Summit, and enslaved. The SS took them through the mountain pass to the south, and some giants rebelled and escaped, which explains the large presence in Dreadnought's Drift and Snake Dance.

Here's a map if you didn't feel like reading all that.

I think it'd be cool if there was still a giant capital north of Giant's Basin, maybe on that little peninsula, the architecture of giants has got to be pretty awsome. But even more awsome, if the Giants have forgotten their hostile ways in isolation from everyone, giant henchmen complete with giant giant weapons and finally giant stomp on OUR side. Of course, they'd have to make a reason for us to help the giants, maybe the undead found the giants and are trying to feast on them or something...heh.

TY for reading, feel free to expand or modify the story, especially if I left out any important lore that would make any of this impossible.

Knux · Sep 22, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

I really do like this idea. In fact.. I want it... now... XD

Anyway, I would also like to see a "Jarl" profession. For those who don't know, a Jarl is like a norse nobleman, if I'm not mistaken. The pillage attribute mentioned before would also be cool! Or like, an attribute where you dealt more damage if there were more allies near you, and obviously more damage the higher the attribute got. Vikings tended to travel in packs and kill in packs, didn't they? Anyway, it'd all be cool. The options are near-limitless.

Perhaps they could have attributes that were gender specific? From what I understand, a Valkerie was a female, and Jarls were rarely women, because of the times. I may be mistaken, but it'd still be pretty interesting.

actionjack · Sep 22, 2006, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocketlint

I know this thread's been down for a while, but the mystery of what's beyond Giant's Basin was irking me, so I did a forum search to see what other people thought about it.

Vikings are a good idea, but I think the more logical answer to what's north of Giant's Basin is well, giants (hence the name!). North of that area might have been the homeland of the giants.

I thought that since the lake was called Giant's Basin, it was the main route of attack for giants that felt they needed to expand their territory (they are huge after all, they probably eat a lot and need land) and through kryta was the only way to do it.

I belive they would have tried to go through the west, which was desert. The desert would have stopped the giants since they were used to living in a tropical climate with plenty of water, UNLESS they went around the lake, which means there might be a few explorable outposts and locations left.
The eastern path was right through what would have probably been a bog, and since the giants weigh so much, trying to move an army through the terrain would make the swamp like quicksand.
Therefore, the only logical route of invasion would be accross the lake, with COLOSSAL barges, which would be pretty cool to see and explore in game if we could go there.

As they landed, I would assume the Krytans did not have a large enough army to fend off the invasion, and therefore pleaded to the Elonians for aid, who came to the rescue (yeah, like the elves in Helms Deep). This accounts for their presence in the desert. On the way to kryta, they probably had to make a pit stop in Orr, and that might be how they learned of ascension in the desert. After aiding Kryta, they fended off the giant invasion using their superior fighting force (including dervishes and paragons

), and enslaved giants because they could have been of some use. They took the giants with them to the crystal desert, and upon failing to ascend and their settlers going extinct, the giants were set free and the mystical properties of the crystal desert (I guess, maybe someone else might come up with something more logical) made them turn to necromancy, instead of remaining warriors and rangers.

After the Elonians came to aid Kryta, some giants would have probably deserted the army and gone off into isolated areas, fearing all people and attacking them. This explains the giant's presence in Kryta and why out of the three species, these are the only giants with actual armor.

After suffering defeat (or before deciding to invade Kryta), the giants probably migrated to the shiverpeaks for hope of more land, resources, and food. Upon entering the mountains, they were seen by the xenophobic Stone Summit, and enslaved. The SS took them through the mountain pass to the south, and some giants rebelled and escaped, which explains the large presence in Dreadnought's Drift and Snake Dance.

Here's a map if you didn't feel like reading all that.

I think it'd be cool if there was still a giant capital north of Giant's Basin, maybe on that little peninsula, the architecture of giants has got to be pretty awsome. But even more awsome, if the Giants have forgotten their hostile ways in isolation from everyone, giant henchmen complete with giant giant weapons and finally giant stomp on OUR side. Of course, they'd have to make a reason for us to help the giants, maybe the undead found the giants and are trying to feast on them or something...heh.

TY for reading, feel free to expand or modify the story, especially if I left out any important lore that would make any of this impossible.

I like the Giants too.

I think it would be fun to play a addon mission, where you are to help defend a small walled village against the invasion of Giants. They would come down from the mountain, and lay seige on this little village, and throw boulder all over (which would crash the wooden wall defense and the village homes, a good use of destuctible terrain). You have to fend off their waves, escorting the villager to safty, and eventually take the fight to them by assassinating their leader.

Knux · Sep 22, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Actionjack, so you're suggesting something more like a Sorrow's Furnace expansion, rather than a campaign 4 or 5?

*shifts his weight from side to side and moves his toe against the ground* I was kinda hopin for a whole new continent and land.