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Former Ruling · Oct 25, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Thats the best solution ever. Dont play alot!!! Dont even gvg with your build at all, just use your rating hacks and gain rating magically without actually winning. Uh.. sorry man but we cant always gvg, and we try to get the most of our time when we have a good solid block together. I shouldnt have to skew my schedule and scatter out my time just because people think its cute to run a 2 pd build when deer is playing.

He didn't suggest not playing for long times, he suggested to alternate builds. Deer is "famous" for running spike builds over and over.

Take a hint, they dont have to watch you on Obs mode to know what you are planning >_>

pigdestroyer · Oct 25, 2006, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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/notsigned

who cares what spike you are going to run next?

what he said

Makkert · Oct 25, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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I think that the leaders of top 100 guilds should have a check box somewhere in the guild menu about observer mode. Its lame that every time you play everyone in gw gets to watch. Im sick of having people msg me about matches that I was just messing around and builds that arn't mine. It also made the tourny 10 times as hard because we werent able to practice any builds because teams would know exactly what we're running unless we find an unrated match...

It's a shame there are always silly badgers that PM with the most stupid questions, and somehow think they have the right to suddenly PM someone from a top team to ask their questions. That's what fanforums are for... or should be imho. Besides disabling the ability to PM someone when watching in Obs mode, I wouldn't know how this could be changed.

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All of the top guilds are in the same situation. Everyone can observe each other.

Honestly a completely worthless post. You could argue the same about ANYTHING in the game. If there was a skill that automatically killed the enemy guild lord in one shot(hmm...) would they leave it in saying "all of the guilds are in the same balanced situation"? No, its an unfair advantage to teams running certain kinds of builds and promotes "skillbars" over "skill".

You are losing me here...
What I can understand is that you are trying to say that the opposition took certain skillbars to counter DEER. But to call that 'skillbars over skill' is a bit one-sided thinking.
What you are basicly saying is that spike-teams are disadvantaged. And yes, they are indeed. Like any other team, dependancy on one or few tactics will get punished. That isn't limited to spiketeams, but to every team that doesn't have multiple builds at their disposal of various nature. Someone that plays only hexpressure type of builds will also get punished for it.

Not A Fifty Five · Oct 25, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Yeah I'm tired with these idiots who say "deal with" it, what a braindead response. Next time you show up in the ER I'll say "deal with it" ^^ Tho I prolly shouldn't, considering that at the ratio of people who said it here, there'd be a lot of dead poeple in the ER -.-

I'm not in a top 100 guild, not in any guild actually because everyone I've joined so far says "ooo! lets join easily thought up stupid spike!" I mean honestly who cares if you win with that. GW to some is about running gay assed builds that everyone else thought up first and showing off titles to other people to show that you can run gay assed builds. But this isn't what its about to the top 100. Its about actually MAKING a GOOD build, something that might catch others by surprise, and running it well. What's the whole point if you know exactly what deer's going to run? Say you knew Deer was running a build that didnt have very good hex removal? All you'd have to do is make an easy counter for THAT SPECIFIC BUILD and trounce them. Freaking lame.

I say the top 100 should just stop playing for a month ^^ No observer mode. That'll show Anet.

vandree · Oct 25, 2006, 06:06 AM // 06:06

Hello

I enjoy observer mode, ALOT. Iam in a strong PvE Guild and Iam very happy there

but with that being said I LOVE high ranked PvP Iam floored by what the players in these top ranked guilds do with the 8 skill slots and the team work and builds that are made

THANK YOU!! Yes Ive tried to copy or use skill ideas Ive seen in Highend PvP in HA, TA, RA (dont GvG not enought intrest in my guild

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Observer Mode allows me to watch the game I LOVE played at a level I could only dream of playing it at. Iam a good player but I have no illusions of my skill.

All that being said I just want to say Thank You to all the top ranked Guilds for providing me with great entertainment. And Keep up the Great Work.

In regards to all the whispers.... dont respond... thats my only advise. hehe Iam a member of the Blackblades (we owned Cavalon and a little deal was made of it

so I know what unwanted whispers are all about

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Good Hunting

edit: I know alot of Top Guilds have a couple different builds they run... If your worried about someone noticing your build in Observer mode why not change your build from match to match? Observer Mod is there to build Excitement towards PvP and the game Guild Wars in general. Taking it away will take away alot of "new blood" and reduce intrest towards GvG and HA becouse people like myself will be left out. Bottom Line is this People enjoy watching something they Love. (why do you think sports stars make the money they do? hehe)

I Love Guild Wars I Love watching it played at the highest Level.

Thargor · Oct 25, 2006, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Im sick of having people msg me about matches that I was just messing around and builds that arn't mine.

Besides setting your status to offline the only option here is to ignore it.

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Its lame that every time you play everyone in gw gets to watch.

No its not lame. It is an accomplishment to get your name up there and have everyone see it.

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It also made the tourny 10 times as hard because we werent able to practice any builds because teams would know exactly what we're running unless we find an unrated match...

Good, its a tourny... it was supposed to be hard.
As far as practicing, read your own post. Find an unrated match and practice.

Observer mode serves a couple of functions.
1 It lets many people watch HA matches (wich is the only way many players will ever see the HoH)
2 Same for high rated GvG
3 It is a tool. Use it to watch those not smart enough to keep their builds off of it and destroy them!

/Unsigned

death met · Oct 25, 2006, 07:05 AM // 07:05

I think observe mode is an essencial part for guild wars because it helps to keep the gvg/ha competition in a level. Even if there was no observe mode, whenever you come up with a match, the opposing team will take notice of your build, and since many guilds know each other, it is a matter of time for guilds to be on alert. I consider obs mode balanced since its available to everyone. Most of todays builds are created by using combinations and modified versions of builds seen on observer mode or other sources, maybe including yours. With obs mode disabled, you cannot disable the opposing teams you face.

Regarding unwanted pms, you can just turn off the ding sound, and ignore the text like you can do do in an outpost.

Obs mode off is not going to make your builds pass unnoticed nor stop giving you unwanted pms imo.

BTW I love watching myself on obs mode, helps me get better at the game, and also like recieving pms (havent gotten hateful pms yet)

/notsigned

Faer · Oct 25, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36

iQ and QQ dealt with it; why can't you?

Thom Bangalter · Oct 25, 2006, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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In this response, dont expect for me to give anyone here any respect, considering the totally ignorant responses.

what do you expect? It's an ignorant suggestion that gets equally ignorant responses. Learn to deal with obs mode. If you want to practice do an unrated with somebody in your alliance. I'm sure there are tons of top guilds that are in your alliance that would be willing to scrimmage or unrated you.

additionally, OF COURSE everyone knows what you're going to be running. You're deer, so you'll be running spike.

Lesson of the story? don't play spike in the tournament, and unrated all your great alliance members.

Lord Zado · Oct 25, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Instead of this childish whining, why not try to make an educated suggestion? Whining like a 5 year old and asking to destroy a part of the game most players love is not likely get much of a response.

As for constantly being whispered, how about ANet adds a toggle so that only players from your guild, alliance or friends list can message you? That way you can turn off PM's from random folks, but still get the ones you want?

As for "turning off observer mode", I think this is a hopeless cause. I, for one, like watching observer mode for the entertainment. I don't really watch it to get builds so much, just for fun. If guilds were that paranoid about build copying, maybe a toggle for the guild leader could be to turn off all skills being displayed for their guild. Granted, you could see the animations and probably figure it out, but it would be more of a challenge. No harder than it would be for the first few teams you beat to figure out your build.

But you're real problem is your build lacks flexibility and you don't adapt. You complain because you get beat easily once people see your build and find a counter. Well you guys design your builds so that they have gaping vulnerabilities, but if not exposed, give you easy wins. So basically what you want is to always be able to get your easy win. I think this is just sad and childish.

I have nothing against running spike builds personally. I have no problem with FOTM builds either. Builds are builds. You play to win. However, you have to recognize that when you run a spike build, you are taking a gamble. Sure you might get a lot of easy wins, but if someone finds a counter, you go down quick and hard. When you try to play the game like rock, paper, scissors (or my spike is better than your spike), sometimes you're going to come out on the losing end. Deal with it.

Father Anansi · Oct 25, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

If you are not ready to deal with the criticisms that are inevitable; why post complaints?

I for one thought the sports analogies were on par. If you don't see the correlation between the two types of competition (Computer Gaming VS Sports) then you probably don't play football or baseball. This is fine, I am sure any of the folks who made the comparison would be willing to explain the relationship in private or in game.

The smurf guild idea is an excellent solution to your problem, I'd take the advice and run. Doesn't DeeR HAVE a smurf guild already?

Father Anansi · Oct 25, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Originally Posted by Makkert

It's a shame there are always silly badgers that PM with the most stupid questions, and somehow think they have the right to suddenly PM someone from a top team to ask their questions. That's what fanforums are for... or should be imho. Besides disabling the ability to PM someone when watching in Obs mode, I wouldn't know how this could be changed.

I am confused. Are you trying to say people who aren't in the top 100 shouldn't have the right to PM questions to those that are? One of the advanatges of private messaging In game is that it gives people the opportunity to speak with others in a more personal and private setting;whether it be questions or just casual banter. Why should there be an exception to those who are in the top 100? All citizens of celebrity status are subjectable to the publics scrutiny..this isn't a system of fascisim.

If I misinterpereted what was written please inform me.

Spura · Oct 25, 2006, 05:09 PM // 17:09

You are a cocky sob if you think anyone on the ladder brought counters specifically to counter you. Ladder is random, so it really doesn't pay to prepare to counter one particular guild. And even without obs mode, top guilds would know what you play, because you are likely to be matched with them given similar rank.

QQ more.

Zui · Oct 25, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

"skillbars over skill"

ROFL. From a spike guild, that's just funny. Spikes depend on their oppostion sucking, or not having the tools to counter them to get wins.

Medion · Oct 25, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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I am confused. Are you trying to say people who aren't in the top 100 shouldn't have the right to PM questions to those that are? One of the advanatges of private messaging In game is that it gives people the opportunity to speak with others in a more personal and private setting;whether it be questions or just casual banter. Why should there be an exception to those who are in the top 100? All citizens of celebrity status are subjectable to the publics scrutiny..this isn't a system of fascisim.

If I misinterpereted what was written please inform me.

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I think what Makkert was trying to say that people shouldn't just whisper 'famous' people randomly. If a top sportsman like Michael Schumacher makes an awful mistake, are you going to write him a personal letter? I think most people would go to a Formula 1/Schumacher Fansite.

Of course you have the 'right' to PM top 100 players, but they don't have to like you for PM'ing them.

Does-it-Matter · Oct 25, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by CAT

In this response, dont expect for me to give anyone here any respect, considering the totally ignorant responses.

If that's your opening line, why would you bother continuing?

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For everyone who says "deal with it"
I'm sorry, but not all of us here are in noobshit rank 1000 guilds who dont care about gvg for shit. Some guilds have to win 10 matches every time they lose 1 match becuase "look deer is on obs mode lets run a complete counter to them on a smurf guild and -25 tank them". All of you noobs who tell me to "deal with it" are in no similar position to what I am in and cannot relate at all.

Wow, the amount of assumptions you made in one paragraph is astounding. "Noobshit rank 1000 guilds." Yes, what a brilliant way to prove your point to your peers, by insulting them!

Typically people who cause change don't appear mentally unstable to the public.

You get important, you get famous, you get a reputation- you get watched. If you're running the same exact build enough, that people have enough time not only watch you, but figure it out, devise a counter AND play you... is that really the public's fault?

If a football team ALWAYS ran a handoff-running play to the left each time, would you then complain that its unfair that the other team figured it out?

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For everyone who didnt even take the 3 damn minutes it took to read my post
I said i wanted guilds to have the ability to turn off observer mode. I said nothing about disabling it (although i actually wouldnt mind) completely, I just want to be able to turn it off when people dont need to be watching. (People dont need to know exactly what build we're running and exactly when we're playing, it makes it that much harder for guilds like us as opposed to guilds like Te or iGi who get free wins given to them when they play smurfs).

Attacking others to bolster your point really doesn't work too well either. Everyone has the same draw back of the public being able to watch them. If other guilds are adapting, and you're not, that is in no way a reflection of the public.

Also, it seems you have some problem with "smurfing." Is it perhaps an exploit? Or in some how a reflection of an error in the game's programming? Otherwise, it may be underhanded, but still viable. A coup de Jarnac was hearld as both an excellent tactic and an abuse of the system at the same time. (I'll pause while you google, try early peroid fencing)

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LOL? Sports have nothing to do with gw at all. Considering sports teams consist of only players, and players dont have any different combination of magical abilities then others i dont think observing a team will give u any more an advantage then observing tactics, which i have no problem with. However, seeing how observer mode can be abused makes the downside definately not worth the benefits in certain situations.

Before you start throwing down absolutes, I'd be careful.

Guild Wars has nothing to do with Sports at all?

So if I was to say there is this "thing" which involves a set of opponents who occupy a variety of positions and employ a set of tactics to triumph over their competitors... would I be talking about Guild Wars or Sports?

Just because sports lack magical abilities (steroids not withstanding...) does not make them universally different.

To continue with the football example. Your tactics include formations, individual player abilities, movement during actions, tricks and luck. If you consider your skill bar a "tactic" (and I'm assuming you would, since I hope you put at least some thought into what you bring...) then the two are an excellent comparison. Its all tactics.

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And of course ill add some of my favorite posts of the thread

Postcount FTW!!! gogogo contributing to other peoples ideas and suggestions. Honestly, before u post that kind of shit, imagine if i just searched your name right now and posted "deal with it" on the first thread I see you created. Pretty lame huh?

If it was sensical within the context, I doubt its lame. Although such posters might not put the effort into their rebutal like some others, it is still valid within its own right. Especially if you factor in that this might be a habitual, ungrounded or knee-jerk subject in the first place.

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YEA OMG!!!11 TEHY ARE HTTING THE BALL WITH THE BAT THEY USE STRAT SO I WILL PLAY NEXT GAME WITH THEM HIDE TEH BALL SO TEHY CANT HIT IT AND THEY LOSE 25 RATING LOOLOLOL. I'm from Michigan too, and this is just so horrible of an analogy that it barely deserves this response. It has nothing to do with gw at all. You can't(or to a very small extent can) alter your baseball "strats" and people who play professional baseball are very different from the 12 year old idiots that play guild wars in their mom's basement.

Continued attacks against your peers? You know, statistically that's a sign of a weak arguement.

But I digress... If you are trying to debunk sports as an analogy of Guild Wars then of course you will be exact if you are trying to find an EXACT replica.

If there was a game, called Guild Wars, which involved professions, and skill bars and Guilds facing off against each other.... then ANet would have a lawsuit in the making.

Look passed the surface, you will never find an exact replica of Guild Wars OUTSIDE of Guild Wars. That does not in any means imply that there is not a valid comparison of it though.

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Wow pigdestroyer ur right, your good at the game. Nobody cares wtf spike im gonna run considering every single one of my builds this season were copied horribly and then everyone started bringing counters hurting our record. Then, everyone and their mother whos ever ran an obs spike before said we stole it from them. I'm sorry that nobody steals your w/mo mending + mage hench split build but some people actually give two shits about a guild that matters.

I'll throw it out there to be polite, but you realise that imitation is one of the highest forms of a compliment right?

Moving on...

So, you're telling me that you're essentially upset because someone made a counter to your build, and in fact beat you? Damn, you've been right all along. Someone beat you! This game does suck...

Expecting your "secret weapon" to stay a secret any further than the first use is insane. Would you then complain if the persons you beat posted your general build, tactics and possible counters on a forum? Would you then ask a moderator to delete said posts because they hamper your ability to win using the exact same strategy again and again?

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Thats the best solution ever. Dont play alot!!! Dont even gvg with your build at all, just use your rating hacks and gain rating magically without actually winning. Uh.. sorry man but we cant always gvg, and we try to get the most of our time when we have a good solid block together. I shouldnt have to skew my schedule and scatter out my time just because people think its cute to run a 2 pd build when deer is playing.

Simply put, if you don't want someone to see your build, the only safe way is to not run it. Failinig that, you have to realise that with the greater frequency your run it, the more likely it is a counter will be devised and used against you.

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This is probaby the best analogy I can use.

Think of farming. You face a set of creatures who have predictable locations, movements, tactics and skills. (As a side note, there isn't even an observer mode here! The only persons seeing said "builds" are the ones acting facing the opponents.)

How long does it take until certain areas are full of characters employing a set of counters and taking advantage of their opponent constantly running the same plan?

Essentially, that is what you're doing.

stefan_moore · Oct 25, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

It can't put you at any more disadvantage than any of the other top 100 guilds. If you are all being shown on observer mode then you can also see what they are currently running. If you are one of the top 100 guilds then you should be able to deal with the fact that everyone wants to be like you so they copy your builds and peopel being able to easily counter what you are running can only make the tournement more exciting due to the fact that once a guild is in the top 100 it can no longer constantly use the same build over and over and there has to be some variety. So IMO there is no need to allow top 100 guilds to not be shown on observer mode because it adds to the excitement and the variety of the whole tournement

shadowfell · Oct 25, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

People watch the top 100 to hopefully, learn something valuable, as opposed to thinking that henchway edgebomb is a great idea in gvg and ha, etc.

As for saying that, you are tired of people bringing counter builds to your build, after seeing it in observers.. omg, deal with it!! Seriously. You can't win everything. If you are so angry about your rating going down because of a loss, don't play. Stop blaming observers for your failure to adapt.

This is like a case of a nothing to something, complaining that now he is someone, everyone is watching him, and won't leave him alone, i.e, celebrity, but in this case.... you're not exactly a-list, and no one cares anyhow.

GG

Malice Black · Oct 25, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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you're not exactly a-list, and no one cares anyhow.

Bingo! tell you what we will all stop watching if we don't have to pay 10k for an officer spot

BenO_Under · Oct 25, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Well theres a problem anyways to that suggestion, because if there was this say 100-120 ranked guild and faced a top 100 guild. The ranked 100-120 guild eventually lost and decided to go on the observer mode to find out there mistakes they have made. When they look on the observer mode, One says to Three, "you shouldv'e done that instead of that." But if the observer mode was off, then they would never know what they did wrong, then make the same mistake on another battle. Thats why we need observer mode.

And if your going to say "But they steal my build," chances are there going to suck at it then switch to there last build.