Curse

Praetor · Nov 08, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Skills points hold you back from nothing now, especially with the massive exp quests and 1-3 skills point for mission completion levels. Before you know it, you'll have 30,40,50 unspent skills points.

When you go to a skill trainer, you'll find that the 1k per skill is what slows you down. Obviously a.net won't change the prices for buying skills, but rather "encourge" you to buy skills (thus improving the gold sink factor for skill trainers).

So what about cap sigs? Sure you may buy a lot of sigs, but you gain 5k exp for every elite you cap, making your next skill point easy to obtain. Only the 1k cost is going to stop you.

"Doesn't that mean a lv1 character can buy all their skills at the start?" (assuming you unlocked the skill elsewhere)
If you got the gold for it. You're looking at ~10k just for your basic skills, and nearly 100k if you want to be flexible for PvP.

And what about the "level-up" every 12k exp? It's just sign of a virtual level obtained. Obviously your "real" level isn't show cause of a.net philosophy on player skill not play time. That "level-up" glow can remain, but it's just bells and whisles since a.net does not recognize lv21 and +.

So what does this all mean? For a.net, make the skill trainer gold sink better. For us, remove the barrier keeping us from spending all our gold on skills.

Omnidragon42 · Nov 08, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

/notsigned
I have a lot more money than skill points, but I think the flavor of skill points is important to the game, a character can only become more skillful by training and "levelling" - I don't think it's right to be able to buy however many skills you want right off the bat.

Carth` · Nov 08, 2006, 09:05 PM // 21:05

"Skill points hold you back from nothing now"
"remove the barrier keeping us from spending all our gold on skills"

Hmm, remove the barrier that holds you back from nothing.

Tbh just leave it the way it is, unless I see a vastly better suggestion.

Teutonic Paladin · Nov 08, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

I now have 219 Elites on my warrior and 138 on my monk. I have never had a money issue, I spend ALOT of time farming skill points. Before Nightfall came out I farmed 49 skills points to continue my titles. I always have enough money (I make 1k-2k easily per skill point) and almost never enough skill points. Allowing you to use only money would do nothing but ruin the challenge of Underworld/Fissure Questing that I like to do for my skill points. Who cares about the 10k xp rewards if they don't do anything?

Pynne · Nov 08, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

/not signed

For me, it's quite the opposite. Not that I have alot of gold, but I always seems to have enough when I finally grind a few skill points.

Knightsaber Sith · Nov 08, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

/notsigned

The purpose of skill points is that you have to earn skills more so than just cash you've earned using other characters. It's only a gold sink if you choose to buy every skill. As far as unlocking for pvp; you can always use balthazar faction and of course the pvp edition.

You should have to earn each skill on each individual character rather than just the cash you earned on your other character >_<

Zexion · Nov 08, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19

To me, the money and not the skill points is the barrier. I wish ANet would just lower the cost of skills. They effectively halved the cost of skills in faction (doubled faction gain). And made skill points 2x easier to get through normal play. By that logic, they should halve the gold price of skills.

_Zexion

Kool Pajamas · Nov 08, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

/not signed

No one would ever quest again.

LifeInfusion · Nov 08, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

you need them as a counter for skill acquisition

Right now exp only goes to skillpoints after lvl20

Terra Xin · Nov 08, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

I'm sorry, I lost the point of your thread. You want to remove skill points altogether??

Then how will skills be obtained?

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"Doesn't that mean a lv1 character can buy all their skills at the start?" (assuming you unlocked the skill elsewhere)
If you got the gold for it. You're looking at ~10k just for your basic skills, and nearly 100k if you want to be flexible for PvP.

This is silly, I see more people suggesting that the gold costs be cut down on the skills that you can obtain, the issue with gaining skill points is of very little concern.

lightblade · Nov 08, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

/signed for making skill buying cheaper

Age · Nov 08, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

There is always the PuPs out there in the store go and buy them.

Faer · Nov 08, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Have you completely forgotten about the Prophecies-only players, who don't have uber-rewards for quests, and who need to farm skill points and gold if they want to buy skills rather than earn them from quests? Skill points serve a purpose, and therefore, in my opinion, they should not be removed.

pingu666 · Nov 09, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

be nice to have cheaper skill purchase price...

gameshoes3003 · Nov 09, 2006, 02:21 AM // 02:21

/notsigned
Signet of Capture only gives 250 exp per each lvl you have. So capping an elite at lvl 1 gives absolutely very little exp. 250 infact.
That's a lot of sigs and elites to cap if you plan on lvling up that way.

Praetor · Nov 09, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

Way to fall for the trap.
If a.net still believes in the player skill, not time played, then by your arguements, clearly skill points are meant to be farmed if they are to be obtained. So, skill flexiblity comes at the cost of farming exp for skill points.

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Originally Posted by Faer

Have you completely forgotten about the Prophecies-only players, who don't have uber-rewards for quests, and who need to farm skill points and gold if they want to buy skills rather than earn them from quests?

If anything, this would help Prophecies-only characters since they can obtain all the skills they want without having to farm exp/skill pts. So in this case, the lack of skill points holds them back more than the costs of 1k/skill.

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Originally Posted by Omnidragon42

...a character can only become more skillful by training and "levelling"...

Grind.

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Originally Posted by Teutonic Paladin

I now have 219 Elites on my warrior and 138 on my monk. I have never had a money issue, I spend ALOT of time farming skill points...

Grind.

I like coffee beans after you grind them, but I sure in hell don't like grinding for a skill point.

Faer · Nov 09, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by Praetor

If anything, this would help Prophecies-only characters since they can obtain all the skills they want without having to farm exp/skill pts. So in this case, the lack of skill points holds them back more than the costs of 1k/skill.

But then they wouldn't learn anything / as much. Prophecies players can earn their regular skills from quests, so they don't need to be spending money on regular skills, and can therefore save money and Skill Points to purchase Signets of Capture to obtain Elite Skills. In this way, they will not have to "farm" for their Skill Points until after they reach level 20 and have completed the storyline missions (not to mention all the various quests that they will probably be doing anyway, which are not farming, but still contribute to the Skill Point pool), as you seem to think. My first few characters through the game had no problems with obtaining the Skill Points and gold for Signets of Capture, as I played through the game normally (the way ArenaNet most probably intended us to), and didn't have to buy a single skill until well into the Southern Shiverpeaks (I was too lazy to do the quest for it).

Oh, and please don't lay "traps". This forum is for suggestions, not luring fellow members into what could turn into a flame war.

Praetor · Nov 09, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Yeah, I lured you into a barbed trap stacked with a flame trap.
-.-

It's an point/argument trap.

There's a finite number of skill quests, and you have to buy the rest, especially for a secondary class. Since you played through the game normally, you didn't need to worry about skill points. However, it's likely your character doesn't have all the regular skills your original 2 classes. So, your character is limited to skill flexiblity by both skill pt count and cost, while canthan/elonian characters are flooded with skill points, so they're just limited by cost. Once any of the character types run out of skill quests, they have to buy the rest of their skills (assuming they want them all). With the info above, you should be able to tell who has an easier time obtaining skills.

mqstout · Nov 09, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Grind. I like coffee beans after you grind them, but I sure in hell don't like grinding for a skill point.

Exactly. I could see a hybrid system with lower cost skills (less than the way too high 1k), if you have a skill point. But they cost more if you don't have a skill point available.

legion_rat · Nov 10, 2006, 05:14 AM // 05:14

/unsigned

skill points add balance thank you very much. the last thing i want to see is some noob with every skill imaginable. the skills and points i have i earned.
As did all of the other people here.

~the Rat of many skills~