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Thallandor · Nov 10, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

Playing HA was always possible no matter what rank you are, therefore being accessible to all players. If you couldnt find a real party, it is totally your fault, not the "elitist".

Just needed to highlight that to stress my point. Anyways i have said my piece on the issue and wont press on. Good luck to those who /signed here, only time will tell what will happen next.

Fight the good fight, and for what you believe in. Though not all us may see in the same light.

Lord Mendes · Nov 10, 2006, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

Just needed to highlight that to stress my point.

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Yeah... i'll be sure to pick up an unranked touch ranger next time i need one more for HA. Blaming the fact that you can't find a team on any1 but yourself it total BS...
"I don't get good grades! It's the smart kids' fault!"

Siren · Nov 10, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

i wont vote to exclude them from HA as they encourage more players to experience HA PvP as quoted from Gaile Chat.

Hahahhaha. Dude, do the math. What Gaile said was totally absurd and counterintuitive. She said that Heroes allow *more* people to play HA, right? But the reality is, for every Heroway match now, there's only one person usually on each team. So there *aren't* more people playing. In fact, there's *less* people playing. Don't buy into what she's said, man.

manitoba1073 · Nov 10, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

/not signed

well like we Pver's are told, dont like it move on. things are changing time to adapt or go extinct. seems like it makes it easier to get r12 with heroways in there so i dont know why u guys are complaining.

oh and no i dont PvP i cant drink enough to put up with most of the idiots there.

Lord Mendes · Nov 10, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

/not signed

well like we Pver's are told, dont like it move on. things are changing time to adapt or go extinct. seems like it makes it easier to get r12 with heroways in there so i dont know why u guys are complaining.

oh and no i dont PvP i cant drink enough to put up with most of the idiots there.

and i can't drink enough to put up with the idiots that have no idea what they are talking about.

manitoba1073 · Nov 10, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

and i can't drink enough to put up with the idiots that have no idea what they are talking about.

trust me i know what im talking about. but since you seem to have a problem with people posting against this idea, well u can go ahead flash your little wannabe rank-mote all you want.

Lord Mendes · Nov 10, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

trust me i know what im talking about. but since you seem to have a problem with people posting against this idea, well u can go ahead flash your little wannabe rank-mote all you want.

Let me tell you why I think you don't know what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

things are changing time to adapt or go extinct

None of us are saying beating heroway is hard. On the contrary, it is boring and easy. Adapt to what? rolling heroways. lol

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

seems like it makes it easier to get r12 with heroways in there so i dont know why u guys are complaining

Noone posting against hero-way cares about rank 12. What we do care about is getting the fun factor back in HA.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

oh and no i dont PvP

Well then you don't know the "fun" factor that comes from playing against other people, therefore you only have one side of the story.

About my "wannabe rank-mote", i havent flashed that in about 2 months, and I think ranking makes me look like a noob.

tomcruisejr · Nov 10, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

so fighting AI and gaining fame from AI is worse than IWAYers farming fame off real players? is that the real reason why you are all oppposed to this?

manitoba1073 · Nov 10, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

Let me tell you why I think you don't know what you are talking about.

None of us are saying beating heroway is hard. On the contrary, it is boring and easy. Adapt to what? rolling heroways. lol

Noone posting against hero-way cares about rank 12. What we do care about is getting the fun factor back in HA.

Well then you don't know the "fun" factor that comes from playing against other people, therefore you only have one side of the story.

About my "wannabe rank-mote", i havent flashed that in about 2 months, and I think ranking makes me look like a noob.

whether they are real or ai the true fun hasnt changed. granted it easier yes but if you really are in it for the fun then it shouldnt matter if its a real person or ai, and thats why i know what im talking about.

the fun factor comes from just playing. we have things that have taken our so called fun outa PvE. yes lots are complaining about it. but when someone disagrees doesnt mean that they arent allowed there opinions and mine wont change.

glad to know finally a PvPer realizes rank-moting is for noobs. and thats joking around.

and still all heros do for HA is adds a new element to HA. i know changes are scary at first, but im quite confident all of you will see its actually for the best. hell we have to put up with griefer AI now in PvE. least you guys can do is put up with new players using heros.

Carl Butanananowski · Nov 10, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

I totally agree with everything the OP mentioned.

/signed?

Lord Mendes · Nov 10, 2006, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

the fun factor comes from just playing. we have things that have taken our so called fun outa PvE. yes lots are complaining about it. but when someone disagrees doesnt mean that they arent allowed there opinions and mine wont change.

glad to know finally a PvPer realizes rank-moting is for noobs. and thats joking around.

Well you see man, that is the problem...
People have different opinions about what the "fun factor" is. For many people including myself, the fun factor is coming up against decent real teams and having good close games, be it against IWAY, spike, or hero-way (though it is extremely unlikely).
What I don't like is that the thing we liked about HA was changed to a point where it can barely be called PvP anymore to accomodate (sp?) newer players, which are less than the older players. That's all.

Another thing, I personally wouldnt go post /unsigned on all the threads to bring back the old AI in PvE, simply because I know many people enjoyed farming.

samcobra · Nov 10, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

for me, the fun factor of HA was that you would come up against real people, see them using unique and interesting builds and then come up with your own unique and interesting builds and play against those people. The problem with heroway in the current meta is that it is only well adapted for one thing and thats fireway. Albeit other heroway teams do exist and do well, the sf ele is the most common hero in halls. That being said, I do like heroway because it allows even unranked players to get into ha without having to look for a group. All that matters is your own skill when running heroway.

Siren · Nov 10, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

whether they are real or ai the true fun hasnt changed. granted it easier yes but if you really are in it for the fun then it shouldnt matter if its a real person or ai, and thats why i know what im talking about.

Don't be a troll.

M3lk0r · Nov 10, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

whether they are real or ai the true fun hasnt changed. granted it easier yes but if you really are in it for the fun then it shouldnt matter if its a real person or ai, and thats why i know what im talking about. the fun factor comes from just playing.

Why do you think that people make multilayer games at all then? Why are there hundreds of thousands of dollars of prize money in fps & rts tournaments, or millions of people playing on public servers, if we could all play just play with bots with auto-aim? Perfecting your recoil control, micro, build, strats, etc. is one thing, actually playing a real opponent is quite a different matter.

I used to play PvE too (with guild usually) so I can see the fun in that, but you really have to experience organised PvP to know the fun in that. Its called "E-Sports" for a reason.

I can also respect your opinion if you decide NOT to like organised PvP, but then why force PvE onto the people who DO like PvP?
What if this situation was reversed and you have HA guild/teams popping up in PvE areas, or having to fight a top rated "real" team to advance in the storyline? I bet a lot of people who not be very impressed by that either.

Lord Mendes · Nov 10, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by M3lk0r

I can also respect your opinion if you decide NOT to like organised PvP, but then why force PvE onto the people who DO like PvP?
What if this situation was reversed and you have HA guild/teams popping up in PvE areas, or having to fight a top rated "real" team to advance in the storyline? I bet a lot of people who not be very impressed by that either.

IMHO they should try giving us balthazar faction instead of loot in PvE. Then Gaile could post a poll in the GvG or HA section of this forum. Would be interesting...

manitoba1073 · Nov 10, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Siren

Don't be a troll.

F.Y.I i'm not trolling i stated my opinion and replied to a reply. this isnt an aggre or else thread.

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

Well you see man, that is the problem...
People have different opinions about what the "fun factor" is. For many people including myself, the fun factor is coming up against decent real teams and having good close games, be it against IWAY, spike, or hero-way (though it is extremely unlikely).
What I don't like is that the thing we liked about HA was changed to a point where it can barely be called PvP anymore to accomodate (sp?) newer players, which are less than the older players. That's all.

i agree on how everyone has the different opinions on fun factors. and as far as things go for changing to accomodate the new players nothing wrong with that. sorry if you dont like that. theres lots of things i dont like either thats changed, i think Anet disagrees with us about the older players out numbering the newer players. otherwise we wouldnt have had these changes.

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

Another thing, I personally wouldnt go post /unsigned on all the threads to bring back the old AI in PvE, simply because I know many people enjoyed farming.

and that means what all i do is post in PvP threads. i dont think so. i believe this is the first one of PvP ive posted in, but if you would like to post in any PvE threads you are more than welcome too. and again im sorry if you dont like me disaggreeing with this thread but that is my opinion.

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Originally Posted by M3lkor

Why do you think that people make multilayer games at all then? Why are there hundreds of thousands of dollars of prize money in fps & rts tournaments, or millions of people playing on public servers, if we could all play just play with bots with auto-aim? Perfecting your recoil control, micro, build, strats, etc. is one thing, actually playing a real opponent is quite a different matter.

I used to play PvE too (with guild usually) so I can see the fun in that, but you really have to experience organised PvP to know the fun in that. Its called "E-Sports" for a reason.

I can also respect your opinion if you decide NOT to like organised PvP, but then why force PvE onto the people who DO like PvP?
What if this situation was reversed and you have HA guild/teams popping up in PvE areas, or having to fight a top rated "real" team to advance in the storyline? I bet a lot of people who not be very impressed by that either.

i am not forcing anything on you, its Anets doing. you can do whatever you would like to do keep playing or take your money else where. that choice is completely yours. and F.Y.I we are having PvP forced on us PvEr's to a degree. been that way along time. sorry to tell you that.

but this thread isnt a PvP vs PvE thread, plzz stay on topic. if you guys would like to discuss it open a discussion thread. even though i doubt the mods would let it last long.

Siren · Nov 11, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

F.Y.I i'm not trolling i stated my opinion and replied to a reply. this isnt an aggre or else thread.

When there's no reasonable point in what you're saying, when what you're saying is absolutely absurd to anyone with any rational thought in their head, and when what you're trying to say has already been previously countered numerous times...you don't have much room to suggest you're positively contributing to the discussion. Hence, trolling.

manitoba1073 · Nov 11, 2006, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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Originally Posted by Siren

When there's no reasonable point in what you're saying, when what you're saying is absolutely absurd to anyone with any rational thought in their head, and when what you're trying to say has already been previously countered numerous times...you don't have much room to suggest you're positively contributing to the discussion. Hence, trolling.

and yet by your own definition you are doing the same thing. and there was a reasonable point in what i said. and exactly how is it being fair to new players coming into the game being countered.

Siren · Nov 11, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

and yet by your own definition you are doing the same thing.

Not particularly. None of what I'm saying is totally absurd. None of what I'm saying is ignoring the very fundamentals of the topic at hand. I'm not just randomly chiming in with complete and utter nonsense, because everything I'm saying here has a very specific and relevant point within it.

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and there was a reasonable point in what i said. and exactly how is it being fair to new players coming into the game being countered.

You did not demonstrate any understanding of why PvPers found HA fun. You did not even begin to recognize the significant differences between fighting humans and fighting AI. You do not recognize the counterproductive nature of including heroes for the "newbies." You do not grasp the idea that including heroes is being more unfair to newbies than anything in the past. There was no reasonable point in what you said, simple as that.

sykoone · Nov 11, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

I'm not a PvP player, and doubt I ever will be, but I completely agree with the fact that heroes should not be allowed in PvP arenas. It defeats the purpose of PvP entirely. Allowing 1, two at most, in a team might be acceptable over the standard henchmen that were always allowed, but forming an entire team of AI is pointless. PvE should stay in PvE, and PvP should stay in PvP.

/sign