Curse

Series · Nov 20, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Really, what's my level 20 monk going to do with a level TWO koss? Power level ftw? Non-Elonians should definitely get all Elonian heroes at level 15. That's what Non-Elonian Heroes start as, and that's enough to get through the Nightfall Campaign (coming to Elona puts you at an area level 15 heroes can easily handle).

Evilsod · Nov 20, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Yeah its stupid but get over it... just think of it as the noob wammo that holds your team back and gets himself killed all the time. Managed several higher level missions with low level heros and did them just fine.

If the worst comes to the worst... afk LB farm and bring a low level hench, worked fine for Sousuke. Lvl11 to 20 before the day was done.

dargon · Nov 20, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

You do realize that the heroes gain xp at a rate of 5x your own if they are below your level right? Just grab a few of the bounties, maybe an xp scroll or 2 and your low level heroes will be caught up real damn quickly.

Whiplashr · Nov 20, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

You obviously rushed to assumptions and posting without actually trying to level him up. He levels up like a madman. Just relax.

freekedoutfish · Nov 20, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Series

Really, what's my level 20 monk going to do with a level TWO koss? Power level ftw? Non-Elonians should definitely get all Elonian heroes at level 15. That's what Non-Elonian Heroes start as, and that's enough to get through the Nightfall Campaign (coming to Elona puts you at an area level 15 heroes can easily handle).

This is obviously hard to grasp, but YES you do lvl them up!

Lets think about this right?

Your given Koss at the start of the nightfall game, correct.

All the creatures on the starter island are very low lvl, correct.

Exactly why do you need a lvl15 Koss at the START of the game, no matter what your own lvl is?

Koss and other Heroes very quickly lvl up anyway due to the high experience you gain from missions and due to pwr lvling, so.... stop winging.

I really didnt see an issue with it.

But I know exactly why your complaining....

...because you want to be able to go to Elona, pick up Koss and then return to either Tyria or Cantha without making any actual effort to lvl him up.

So /not signed

Why would they give an Elonian a lower lvl Koss then a Tyrian or Canthan? The point of going to Elona is to play the game, so they EXPECT you to play through it and have them lvl up.

Thats why your given a mid-range lvl Necro and Ranger in Tyria and Cantha.

Omnidragon42 · Nov 20, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Also if you have heroes in your party when you accept a quest reward, they get the exp too. Heroes are very easy to level.

Maria The Princess · Nov 20, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

i would love to get a lvl 15 koss at the start of the game

yes its true that there is fast ways to level them, but theres so many to level it takes soooooooooo long

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 20, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

it also doesnt make sense that he's level two. He should have been leveling up with the natives until consolate docks where he'd be level 15.

/signed

Warrior Of The Toon · Nov 20, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

For really fast training of 3 heroes at a time - do a few factions missions without collection the rewards, get the 3 heroes of choice and get a few rewards, thats 15k xp per hero per quest, not bad if you ask me....

Hyper Cutter · Nov 20, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Exactly why do you need a lvl15 Koss at the START of the game, no matter what your own lvl is?

Because foreign characters are sent right to Consulate Docks, bypassing all that hero-leveling time the natives get?

/signed for foreign characters getting level 15 versions of Koss, Dunkoro, Tahlkora, and Melonni.

MithranArkanere · Nov 20, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

After completing all 3 missinons in Istan, Koss wll around level 13-14.

But you'll have, Koss, Melonni, Dunkoro and Tahlkora (and maybe Olias, Zenmai and Jin/Sousuke)

Upon reaching entering Consulate Docks, they should at least be leveled up to 15.

Series · Nov 20, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

Because foreign characters are sent right to Consulate Docks, bypassing all that hero-leveling time the natives get?

Exactly my point.

And freekedoutfish, no need to be a complete moron. "I know why you're complaining lol u don't want effort." Hmmm, maybe my post WASN'T a conspiracy and makes a lot of sense. Oh and, Mr. Lord of all Knowledge Freekedoutfish the Third, if I wanted to bring them to Tyria or Cantha, I could just level them up on the noob areas over there. zOMG CONSPIRACY!!!

or maybe you just never brought an alt to Elona yourself and are making faulty assumptions.

lightblade · Nov 20, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Do Consolate Dock mission, repeat 5 times and ANY hero will be lvl 15

Series · Nov 20, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by lightblade

Do Consolate Dock mission, repeat 5 times and ANY hero will be lvl 15

I thought this game was anti-grind?

Evilsod · Nov 21, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by Series

I thought this game was anti-grind?

The main primary quests to progress in the game involve gaining Sunspear points. And for a Tyrian/Canthan gaining 2500 sunspear points without having to grind... erm... whatever. Anet is full of shit.

SpitfireIXA · Nov 21, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

The game is not necessarily grind-free, just free of grind in order to play the game.

If you actually DO QUESTS!!! you will be level 20, have all the gold you need for normal armor (you don't NEED 15k) and a weapon.

Also, heroes are easy to level. they still gain XP from quests when out of your party. I leveled the 3 endgame heroes from 12 to 20 in three hours of doing some quests I hadn't done yet.

GG.

Xenex Xclame · Nov 21, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

Spitfire, any proof of heroes gaining exp from quest even when out of the party, i know the part about them gaining exp while in the party , but not while out of the party.

BTW a little tip, if you come from factions or tyria, dont use the lvl 15 heroes, just do a few quests and mission , with the lowest lvl heroes, or do the quest with the high ones if you want, because you know the low ones will do too mich, but accept the reward while the low ones in your party. ( unless Spitfire can confirm they gain exp even when not in party)

remmeh · Nov 21, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Running outside Yohlon Haven into Arkjok Ward, taking all of the priest blessings, and clearing the bottom half of the zone nets you about 500-600 Sunspear points a run. =)

Hollerith · Nov 21, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

I brought my lvl 17ish Ranger over from Cantha, and started the Elonian campaign. I noticed Koss was lvl2, but in all honesty it didn't freaking matter.

Kool Pajamas · Nov 21, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

/signed

Its just plain STUPID. Its unnecesary grind. Make them a higher level or make them the same level as you are. Just because some of you enjoy grinding for everything doesnt mean it should be that way. Guild wars is supposed to be anti grind and Nightfall is all grind. Heroes, sunspear points, grind grind grind.