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Hengis · Nov 21, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

In both Factions and Nightfall, your existing lvl 20 character can go and fully explore the "noob" area.

I would like the ability to take my character back to pre-searing just to wander around and see all the places I have never seen there.

Some people might say that this should be impossible as the events of pre-searing are in the past, yet in Factions and Nightfall you can do missions as if you are reliving events that happened before you got there.

You might say that having lvl 20s in pre-searing would make it too easy for new characters to progress through the story, yet this exact thing happens in both Factions and Nightfall already.

Yes, you can create a new character, but that is not what I want to do. I dont want to grind out a new character, I simply want to go back and enjoy the wonderful scenery again without worrying about being killed by a lvl 3 wolf LOL.

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 21, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

well one specific problem is the pre-searing exit pvp game. if you had level 20s in there.. oi

Unlucky Slayer · Nov 21, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Come up with time travel and you may be able to do it.

You are aware that Pre Searing is 2 years before the events of the first game right?

electrofish · Nov 21, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

well one specific problem is the pre-searing exit pvp game. if you had level 20s in there.. oi

huh?

To the OP I don't think it's a good idea to allow people back to pre-searing simply because it's a place that doesn't 'exist' anymore.

Your argument of the starter areas of other chapter is also flawed as 'reliving memoires' are restricted to missions only. Sure, we're able to go into explorable areas, however they share the same time frame as anyother events on that continent i.e. present

Hengis · Nov 21, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Unlucky Slayer

Come up with time travel and you may be able to do it.

You are aware that Pre Searing is 2 years before the events of the first game right?

Absolutely, thats why I put this in my original post:

"Some people might say that this should be impossible as the events of pre-searing are in the past, yet in Factions and Nightfall you can do missions as if you are reliving events that happened before you got there."

MithranArkanere · Nov 21, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

You can actually reach level 20 and get the Defender of Ascalon Title.
In other chapters you can go help the newbie characters of your friends and show of your armor to noobs (yay!).
You actuallly 'travel in time' when doing any coop before 'D'Alessio Seashore', 'Vizunah Square' and 'Consulate Docks'.
Drops there are... well... nothing.

So, as long as you don't get the title when going back, you could make Symon the Scribe had an option to 'Tell you the history about Ascalon in Pre Searing'.

Characters going back would have no quests available, and won't be able to join a part going to the mission to get to Post-Searing Ascalon.

There would be only four reasons to go there:
- Help newbies.
- Befriend Gwen.
- Help Farmer gather pigs.
- Get some ale by killing bears.

And the more important. Players from 'the future' won't be able to trade with other players there.

To go back, a new option will be added to Sir Tydus: 'tell you what is to come'.

Unlucky Slayer · Nov 21, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

The difference there is that the events that take place on the Newbie island are not 2 years in the past to the rest of the game.

There are other time plot holes that dont need to be brought up, just leave pre searing alone and make a new character if you really want to go back there.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

So, as long as you don't get the title when going back, you could make Symon the Scribe had an option to 'Tell you the history about Ascalon in Pre Searing'.

Characters going back would have no quests available, and won't be able to join a part going to the mission to get to Post-Searing Ascalon.

There would be only four reasons to go there:
- Help newbies.
- Befriend Gwen.
- Help Farmer gather pigs.
- Get some ale by killing bears.

And the more important. Players from 'the future' won't be able to trade with other players there.

To go back, a new option will be added to Sir Tydus: 'tell you what is to come'.

This would be an interesting idea, and would prolly work out well, but they wont do it because they havent done any updates for Ch1 since Factions. And they wont do any more updates for CH1 or CH2.

R_A_M_Z_A · Nov 21, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

This is actually a great idea since theres a method of doing this without interfering with other players...

A new NPC could be added to Ascalon City (or anywhere else in northern tyria).
They can explain it with some crazy- small thing like a spirit from the mist has the power to transport you back to before the searing occured. They could plan this out so that the spirit does it so that tyrian locals can go back to when the days were fair and relive the good days. Using some "crazy" mist magic, the player can be transported back to Pre searing (maybe for a price) and from there, they end up in Ascalon pre...

No quests in pre searing can be obtained, the Defender of Ascalon title cant be touched (seeing as how you didnt make it to level 20 in pre- you only bamf'd there) and trading with other players is denied to keep all max weapons and "post searing" items out of pre.

The player can do what they want in Pre searing, then once they're done, go talk to Tidus and he can send them back.

mega_jamie · Nov 21, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

You take the DeLorean, I'll take the TARDIS, and we can race. time travel FTL

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 21, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by electrofish

huh?

To the OP I don't think it's a good idea to allow people back to pre-searing simply because it's a place that doesn't 'exist' anymore.

Your argument of the starter areas of other chapter is also flawed as 'reliving memoires' are restricted to missions only. Sure, we're able to go into explorable areas, however they share the same time frame as anyother events on that continent i.e. present

Finish pre sometime. You get faction for exit quest :O

Priest Of Sin · Nov 21, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

There is no way they'd implement this. #1, they're done with CH.1, #2, you'd crash the post market with the dye farming you'd undoubtedly do, #3 you'd bring nerfs to Pre-Searing. No thank you.

MithranArkanere · Nov 21, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

You dont know if those event happen with 3 months or two weeks of 4 years of difference, you only know that between Pre and Post Searing are two years.

You can get to even to Shing Jea Monastery Training grounds in some events.

And there are only a single spot you can't get to in Elona, the first 0.1% before Chakbek.

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 21, 2006, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

There is no way they'd implement this. #1, they're done with CH.1, #2, you'd crash the post market with the dye farming you'd undoubtedly do, #3 you'd bring nerfs to Pre-Searing. No thank you.

He's got a point, anet aint touching factions and prophecies, may they R.I.P

Domino · Nov 21, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

no going back to pre-searing. Presearing is peaceful and simple, let's keep it that way.

Anarion Silverhand · Nov 21, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by Domino

no going back to pre-searing. Presearing is peaceful and simple, let's keep it that way.

Well put. I agree.

/Not signed.

Saphatorael · Nov 21, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Eh, you guys seem to be forgetting a detail about the 'reliving the events' thing.

You only see the 'reliving' message when you do a MISSION on either Shing Jea or Istan.
Pre-Searing didn't have any missions.

Just a minor detail, but it could make a major difference in the time-travelling thing. The Searing changed an entire area just like that, so you CAN go back to Ascalon, yes... but it's only just ruined due to a storyline triggered event.
In Shing Jea and Istan, you're only doing what started the storyline.
In Prophecies, the actual storyline starts with the Searing.

My point is. Pre-Searing was a pure training and learning area, hardly any story involved (it even created an atmosphere, which only made the loss of Pre-Searing an even more awful event). In Factions, your first mission is to make your way to the minister, while getting attacked by plagued creatures. The plague was caused by Shiro, so the storyline has already started, basically.
Istan? First mission is about defending against corsairs... it's also a kind of lore thing, but corsair attacks constantly happen in Istan, as you may have noticed, so if you redo the first mission with a foreign character, it could be 'just another' corsair raid. And the second mission (Jokanur Diggings) is the real start of the storyline.

MithranArkanere · Nov 21, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Charr attacks happen all the time to in Pre and Post searing.

That was the srtating in Prophecies.

Saphatorael · Nov 21, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Charr attacks happen all the time to in Pre and Post searing.

That was the srtating in Prophecies.

"all the time"?
So you mean there's a bit before Pre-Searing that we should be playing? Before we've started a character?
Makes no sense.
The Charr attacks have 'always' been there (as in, when we start our character, it was an ongoing war), yes; But the Searing was THE breach through the Great Wall of Ascalon, remember?

MithranArkanere · Nov 21, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

I've seen A charr inside the wall, remeber the quest?

Saphatorael · Nov 21, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I've seen A charr inside the wall, remeber the quest?

Oh wow, a couple of Charr >.>

If you looked in Ascalon City itself, and go up the stairs, you can see them fight on the other side of the wall...