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MithranArkanere · Nov 24, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Searing Flames is NOTHING if you have one or more monks with Extinction in your party.

Let the championships decide about skill nerfings, Anet will change them were needed. So those 'one build' noobs can complain then.

Dark Helmet · Nov 24, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

I dislike Searing Flames because it makes all the other fire elites useless. There is no other awesome damage spell besides Searing Flames and an Obflame spike. I wish other Ele elites from Cantha and stuff got buffed.

I think it shouldn't be nerfed, but Anet should've buffed other skills as well... right now, in HA, you see Thumper/Paraway, Mystic Wrath Spike, and Searing Flames. Maybe a nubway Blood Spike, or a pure nubway balanced, but that's it. I wish there were other overpowered skills people would use.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Searing Flames is NOTHING if you have one or more monks with Extinction in your party.

Let the championships decide about skill nerfings, Anet will change them were needed. So those 'one build' noobs can complain then.

Ah yes, that handy "Extinction" skill. :P Extinguish was nerfed, no?

MithranArkanere · Nov 24, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

You can Echo, Arcane Echo it and that copy ally elite skill. With two monks, you can have from 1 to 8 Extinctions to deal with molesting elementalists. More tan enough.

Gregslot · Nov 24, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Yea yea yea... I DO KNOW who eles work, i knew it all before reading what this no1 wrote about Eles.
Ok, for you who is not seeing how it overpowering it is, take a look at this:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mind_Burn

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Double_Dragon

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Searing_Flames

Ok now, look at the numer of targets, the recharge, and the condition each one works.
Now do the math.
Seriously, count the amount of dmg, the dmg buring does (14 per second my friend).

Quote:

Searing Flames is NOTHING if you have one or more monks with Extinction in your party.

BAH... http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Extinguish

lyra_song · Nov 24, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

Yea yea yea... I DO KNOW who eles work, i knew it all before reading what this no1 wrote about Eles.
Ok, for you who is not seeing how it overpowering it is, take a look at this:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mind_Burn

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Double_Dragon

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Searing_Flames

Ok now, look at the numer of targets, the recharge, and the condition each one works.
Now do the math.
Seriously, count the amount of dmg, the dmg buring does (14 per second my friend).

Maybe searing flames isnt overpowered and its just that all the other fire elites are pure garbage?

btw: Powerblock. Just lovely on those fire eles.

Gregslot · Nov 24, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

yea... like they are going to make all the other ele skills as good as searing flames. From Glimmering Mark to Mind Blast... u just wait for it then...

MithranArkanere · Nov 24, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

The first time I met the Searing Flames Fire Djinn boss it was with two more Djinns as minions.

It totally wiped out my party, becouse it focused on four casters that were toghueter.

So I went to the nearest outpost, gave a monk Searing flames, and done.

We killed them in no time without any death from our side.

Searing Flames has a 15 energy cost that limits the user to cast only some of them.

Echo it and you'll get no energy in some seconds.
Distract or use signet of humility and it's useless.

Trakata · Nov 24, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

Yea yea yea... I DO KNOW who eles work, i knew it all before reading what this no1 wrote about Eles.

I lol'd. Just because you have no idea who the person is hardly means they're a "no1".

Searing Flames is overpowered by comparison, but that's only because ANet "balanced" the Ele elites. Why run SF when you can run WATER TRIDENT?

MelechRic · Nov 24, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

/not signed

I've been running a resto-rit with Weapon of Remedy and Mend Body and Soul and have no problem outhealing SF/GG.

The biggest problem are the idiot warriors that think the can just run up to an Elementalist and spike the hell out of them w/ axe skills. Sorry... Elementalists are now a threat (as they always should have been).

Loviatar · Nov 24, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

Yea yea yea... I DO KNOW who eles work, i knew it all before reading what this no1 wrote about Eles.
Ok, for you who is not seeing how it overpowering it is, take a look at this:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mind_Burn

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Double_Dragon

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Searing_Flames

Ok now, look at the numer of targets, the recharge, and the condition each one works.
Now do the math.
Seriously, count the amount of dmg, the dmg buring does (14 per second my friend).

BAH... http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Extinguish

he happens to be the best, most through number cruncher around and nobody including wiki sources have been able to beat his figures.

someone said i have taken a full 50 strikes at a practice dummy so i know my averages are accurate.

ENSIGN takes a thousand to get his average and proves the other a fool.

he is number 1 at accurate damage info for a reason.

just because you are new and dont know his work does not mean ENSIGNS work is not accurate.

i dont think ENSIGN has been beaten yet in arguing facts

ACreator · Nov 24, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

In my opinion SF is overpower.

I will explain why:

- To propriely counter SF u need to bring many skills which leave your pary opened for many other threats. (diversion, extinguish, etc etc interrupts are not valid since low casting time + ping makes it impossible). Some ppl may say its possible to counter with less, but in HA 4Ele Sf/GG are way impossible!

- I think the dmg is ok and the burning efect too, but lets admit it: the Area of Efect is way to big!! maybe adjacent would be better.

the ways i think that could make it better are:

- recharge goes to 6sec
or
- mana cost increase to 25
or
- decrease the AOE
or
- cause exaustion

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I also disagree with other thing that was said here.

Some ppl claim that E should be major dmg dealers.
I dont agree. The major dmg dealers sould be assassins. Many ppl claim that assassin sucks but in fact the Sin should be ever more buffed to do dmg, but to a single target.

Elementalist are dmg dealers to multi targets, Sins are to single targets. And in that point i think that A-net should boost many assassin elites, and while decreasing dmg to some E/ skils, they should make them to afect more area.

Of course i think E/ should carry some skills to make dmg to single targets 8SF is one) the major shouldnt

Chicken Ftw · Nov 24, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

It's not overpowered. Elementalists finally get a legitimately good damage elite and all of the sudden every r2 HA player floods guru calling for a nerf.

Sucking less is key.

Bold'd for truth.

MithranArkanere · Nov 25, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Yeah... flare, lighting orb, obsidian flame... aaaalll multy target...

(sigh).

Assasins are hit-and-run damage dealers, meant to sneak behind bodyblocking enemies.

Elementalists are meant to just nuke anything they can reach.

Stormcloud · Nov 25, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Dont forget its these same people who cry about A-net and the nerf bat when something they like to use gets nerfed.

The skill is fine as is, quit crying and learn to counter it instead of thinking that you should never have to change your build.

ACreator · Nov 25, 2006, 10:42 AM // 10:42

MithranArkanere like the elementalist should have some skills to do dmg to a single target, assassin as also some skills to atack multi targets.

but here resigns the problem.. E/ have too much skill to do dmg to sinle target, when they should me multi targets!

MithranArkanere · Nov 25, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

You say 'they should' I say 'they are just elemental damage deales'

They have touch attacks like supernova.
They have multi and single target skills.
They have skills to protect allies against a few harm types.
THey can slow down, blind, burn, knock down...

But they don't have skills to heal other allies.
And they do not have skills to deal any damage but elemental (and armor ignoring).

All classes in GW have more than one single way to do things.

Gregslot · Nov 25, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

post this at the pvp comunity and lets see wt happens

its getting "nerfed", get used to it.

ACreator · Nov 25, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

MithranArkanere

yes classes have many ways to do many things but mostly they are specialized.

For example ranger's most skils are to afect a single target, like almost all melle classes (excluding dervish) (i know all of em can make dmg to multiple targets, but most skills don't).

so if melee classes are to 1 target, Ele/ should be to afect area.

thats my opinion!

ACreator · Nov 25, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

MithranArkanere

yes classes have many ways to do many things but mostly they are specialized.

For example ranger's most skils are to afect a single target, like almost all melle classes (excluding dervish) (i know all of em can make dmg to multiple targets, but most skills don't).

so if melee classes are to 1 target, Ele/ should be to afect area.

thats my opinion!

Former Ruling · Nov 25, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Do I think that Searing Flames build will get nerfed? Probably, sometime in the future. Do I think It'll matter much? depends on the nerf.

Anything overused will get nerfed just to promote takign it out in favor of other things, to not stagnate the meta. But that doesn't mean it really needs a nerf.

Glowing Gaze's synergy with it is far more frightening than Searing Flames itself.

Anyway, I like Heroway being SearingWay - Take 1-2 counters and thats a TON of free fame on your run