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spectre945OrderoftheDarkT · Nov 03, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Since we can no longer go to them I would like to see the map % that the arenas cover be taken away from what is necessary to complete the tryian explorer title. Or that they open those areas up so that we can explore them. Because I feel that it is unfair that these areas count as part of the map % when we cannot go to them.

WasAGuest · Nov 03, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

/signed - No PvP areas should count towards a PvE title. Unbalanced and unfair. If unchanged, fame and rank should be dependant upon each characters drunkeness level or protector titles (for example).

Tyggen · Nov 03, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Didn't they already remove all arenas from the explorer titles?

The Pointless · Nov 03, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by Tyggen

Didn't they already remove all arenas from the explorer titles?

I've been hearing that myself.

Horuku · Nov 03, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

No one uses the pre level 20 arenas anyways.

The Pointless · Nov 03, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Horuku

No one uses the pre level 20 arenas anyways.

I beleive everyone is talking about the Arenas that were closed when the Battle Isles were opened...

Look at Droknar's Forge, you'll see a single Zaishen Acolyte outside the Drok's Arena

Juicey Shake · Nov 03, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

the arenas left behind in tyria count toward the tyrian explorer title but are not required to achieve the title, they are leeway parts, making it slightly easier for older toons to get their titles.. new ones can still get 100% without ever stepping foot in the arenas.

Rera · Nov 03, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Guys, Tyria mapping has *so* much leeway the arenas might as well not count.

I got Grandmaster Tyrian Cartographer on a Canthan character (ie. no arenas) without even mapping Lornar's Pass. Others have gotten it without mapping Abaddon's Mouth and Hell's Precipice. Tyria is a big map with lots of uncoverable spaces, but it also has the leeway to match. There is much less leeway, for example, in Cantha or Elona.

Oh a GW forum · Nov 03, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Rera

Guys, Tyria mapping has *so* much leeway the arenas might as well not count.

I got Grandmaster Tyrian Cartographer on a Canthan character (ie. no arenas) without even mapping Lornar's Pass. Others have gotten it without mapping Abaddon's Mouth and Hell's Precipice. Tyria is a big map with lots of uncoverable spaces, but it also has the leeway to match. There is much less leeway, for example, in Cantha or Elona.

Are you kidding me? I'm at 96.8 right now and I've gone over nearly every map twice. I do know where a few large chunks are, but I have no clue where I will get most of what I need. Tyria is definately the hardest to get 100%. I was dumbfounded how much easier exploring in cantha is...

freekedoutfish · Nov 03, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by spectre945OrderoftheDarkT

Since we can no longer go to them I would like to see the map % that the arenas cover be taken away from what is necessary to complete the tryian explorer title. Or that they open those areas up so that we can explore them. Because I feel that it is unfair that these areas count as part of the map % when we cannot go to them.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Areans DONT count towards exploration in tyria.

I know because i have 100% on tyria and cantha.

So why the post?

Go read guildwiki and look up exploration and it explains what counts and doesnt.

freekedoutfish · Nov 03, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Rera

Guys, Tyria mapping has *so* much leeway the arenas might as well not count.

I got Grandmaster Tyrian Cartographer on a Canthan character (ie. no arenas) without even mapping Lornar's Pass. Others have gotten it without mapping Abaddon's Mouth and Hell's Precipice. Tyria is a big map with lots of uncoverable spaces, but it also has the leeway to match. There is much less leeway, for example, in Cantha or Elona.

Exploration tyria could only reach 100% without exploring the entire map, if you had been playing GWs when all the areanas still existed in tyria.

But anyone playing AFTER they removed most of the areanas from tyria, would have to explore ALL the map area which was left.

spectre945OrderoftheDarkT · Nov 04, 2006, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Areans DONT count towards exploration in tyria.

I know because i have 100% on tyria and cantha.

So why the post?

Go read guildwiki and look up exploration and it explains what counts and doesnt.

Ihave read wiki and that is where i learned that the old arenas do count

Rera · Nov 04, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

@Freekedoutfish: you are wrong period.

Again, YOU DO NOT NEED TO EXPLORE THE ENITRE MAP TO GET 100%.

I, personally, got 100% map exploration without even mapping Loranar's Pass. That's how much leeway there is. I don't have the old arenas because my character is Canthan-born.

freekedoutfish · Nov 04, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Rera

@Freekedoutfish: you are wrong period.

Again, YOU DO NOT NEED TO EXPLORE THE ENITRE MAP TO GET 100%.

I, personally, got 100% map exploration without even mapping Loranar's Pass. That's how much leeway there is. I don't have the old arenas because my character is Canthan-born.

Well "personnally" speaking, I cant understand how. Unless there is some greater leeway for Canthan characters.

In which case thats totally unfair.

The only areans I explored in Tyria where the low-level ones which they didnt remove, and those dont count anyway.

I had to explore the ENTIRE map, every last square foot of it to get 100%. The last bit I needed being 'Lornar's Pass', which counted for a hefty chunk of it.

So you tell me till your blue in the face that Im wrong, but Im not.

I know because my ele has 100% and my Necro has about 90%, and the only part he needs is in 'Lornar's pass', there isnt anywhere else he could explore other then the far right section of DOD and that wouldnt cover the full 10% he needs.

You also have to consider the fact that a Canthan character can explore a tiny section bellow LA that Tyrians cant or couldnt until NightFall was released.

It is part of the story when Canthan characters come to Tryia and enter LA from the south, from the sea.

That would add % to your exploration which Tyrians wouldnt get until now.

Having said all that, they may have changed it since I completed the title about 6 months ago.

"These are specific areas commonly missed by cartographers. It has recently been reported that it is easier to get the title than before. You do not need to explore all of the secret areas to get the 100% title. "

GuildWiki.

If thats true and they've changed it, and you dont need that huge chunk, then quite honestly I wont be happy.

HawkofStorms · Nov 04, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Areans DONT count towards exploration in tyria.

I know because i have 100% on tyria and cantha.

So why the post?

Go read guildwiki and look up exploration and it explains what counts and doesnt.

WRONG. My PvP only character that I've had for a year has 1.2% exploration of Tyria because of those old now closed PvP arenas. They DO count, however, there is enough leanway for you to not need them.

freekedoutfish · Nov 04, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

WRONG. My PvP only character that I've had for a year has 1.2% exploration of Tyria because of those old now closed PvP arenas. They DO count, however, there is enough leanway for you to not need them.

*roles eyes.*

Im well aware they actually count towards a % of the map.

They DONT count towards the Grandmaster Exploration Title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the WRONG is back at you.

As you said, due to leaway.

Anyone else want to pick holess at my statement?

Sorry if that sounds insulting, but I HAVE THE 100% ON BOTH, SO I KNOW THIS STUFF. God knows I read every website and post I could find to help me achieve it.

If its been changed in the last few months since I acheived it then fair enough, but I cant say I noticed.

Rera · Nov 04, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

freekedoutfish: The one thing you are failing to realize is that you can't know if you actually explored every corner of the map. If you just barely got 100%, then I can safely say that you missed spots. I got my Tyria GMC about 4 months ago. If you "explored every corner", why did you need Lornar's, but I didn't? And it isn't just me. As I said, I know of a person that didn't need Abaddon's/Hell's Prec. Clearly, there's a ton of leeway in Tyria. I think this is appropriate, because Tyria is absolutely enormous.

If an area counts towards map %, how does it not count towards the title? You got extra % out of it. You can say that you don't *need* the arenas to get the title, but to say it "doesn't count" is just plainly false.

freekedoutfish · Nov 04, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Rera

freekedoutfish: The one thing you are failing to realize is that you can't know if you actually explored every corner of the map. If you just barely got 100%, then I can safely say that you missed spots. I got my Tyria GMC about 4 months ago. If you "explored every corner", why did you need Lornar's, but I didn't? And it isn't just me. As I said, I know of a person that didn't need Abaddon's/Hell's Prec. Clearly, there's a ton of leeway in Tyria. I think this is appropriate, because Tyria is absolutely enormous.

If an area counts towards map %, how does it not count towards the title? You got extra % out of it. You can say that you don't *need* the arenas to get the title, but to say it "doesn't count" is just plainly false.

I'll try to explain this as best I can.

Originally, before I played, they had several areanas in tyria, long before the battle isles were created.

These areanas did originally count towards exploration, to my knowledge.

When they removed the areanas they released no one would be able to get the 100% anymore.

To fix this they reduced the amount you need to achieve full exploration to just bellow 100%, but kept the actual meter reading up-to 100%.

So technically your probably only exploring about 99.5% of actual map, which exists.

The two or three areanas which do still exist, will count towards revealing map, and will count towards the ACTUAL exploration level which we dont see.

But due to the leeway, we dont need them to achieve the 100% shown in the exploration meter.

The amount you can ACTUALLY explore and get access to on the map will still exceed 100%, due to the two or three areanas which still exist on the map.

Now in saying that. If you no longer count the two areanas which do exist in tyria into the exploration title, then you DO still have to count Loranar's pass into exploration.

How do I know this?

Firstly because as Ive mentioned I have 100% on my elemental. And I know from doing it, that Lorana's pass was the last area I explored and the last area I needed to reach 100% in.

I hugged the walls of EVERY other area which could be reached. To me, thats clear enough evidence, that AT THE TIME of me doing it, you needed that area.

Secondly, I have a Necro who is currently on 93% exploration in Tyria. I know due to my experience from my elemental and from comparing maps in photo editing software, that the only area I need is that between Beacons perch and the warcamp.

This to me shows that area is worth about 7%.

Now you can argue against that if you wish.

But due to that evidence, I cant see how you still tell me that you can achieve 100% without exploring every reachable area in on the map (excluding areanas).

Maybe Im wrong, but as mentioned, I have a Necro sitting there who hasnt explored Lorana's pass, but HAS explored everywhere else, and hes on 93%!

Answer that one?

spectre945OrderoftheDarkT · Nov 25, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

to thoes of you that mistakenly beleve that 100% can be acomplished with the arenas closed. i am at 98.2% the screen shot of my map is too large of a file to post but i will email it to anyone. if you can show where i have not been i will post a reply that says that this post was incorect and make an apology.

freekedoutfish · Nov 25, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by spectre945OrderoftheDarkT

to thoes of you that mistakenly beleve that 100% can be acomplished with the arenas closed. i am at 98.2% the screen shot of my map is too large of a file to post but i will email it to anyone. if you can show where i have not been i will post a reply that says that this post was incorect and make an apology.

There is a thread dedicated to tyrian exploration.

Search for; "Tips and Maps for 100% Tyria Exploration"

Post a zoomed out version of your map without the interface and someone will look at it for you.