Curse

Fountoukhs · Dec 30, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Ok, guys the problem is simple.
In factions City controll refers to faction accumulated by guild alliances.

Faction gainning must have a standar aquisition/time parameter to be honest the game to all players and so AB' must be the quicker way to get faction. Also AB's are the true reason Faction Campaign was on such great success

FFF = Fast Faction Farming is an immoral way to gain faction gold and exp for the reasons below

a)You can gain 400Faction150gold 2000exp in less than 45 sec
b)Free and Huge experience is used for many people to get the "lame" survivor 3 title, plus thats the main reason i think no experience title still exists (45million exp from this thing have some people)
c)Supposing you cash the ambers you have approximately 600 gold / minute profit
d)People moan the ones that do AB's and its very annoying
e)The hole thing refers to a games bug ---> The route followed remains active and the quest is triggered so reward is instant.
f)The City Controlling in Factions is a fraud. There is not even 1 alliance that controlls town that does not do fff. All decent alliances are low on faction and that is immorall since access to deep/urgoz and supplies with 20% discount are available only for the city controlling guilds.
g)There are guilds that do fff (using BOTS)only to cash ambers and probably feed ebay with cash for real money.

Anet has released so many updates to fix ingame bugs, to create a balance and support team play ingame (aoe iq) but yet there is nothing done for the highly exploitable BUG of FFF. Is there a reason?????

There are many ways to fix that, the simplest are
a)snare traps on route
b)Quest doesnt activate while 1 place visited --->Logically the forest will be secured why to secure it again?
c)Max number of rewards per player (like balthazar faction in zaishens elite)

I hope you guys are going to do something about it soon, because above all its against the fair play and spoils that game.

The next option we gamers have is just to upload the exact use of the builds on free sites and tell everyone in-game how to do it and where to find the skill builds needed.
Why it will be bad?
a)I Find it interesting if all People can have Fow armor in less Than 12 days or be millionaires just exploiting this bug.
b)This will make prices of mods etc to get out of balance
c)Servers at lutgardis will crash by 90% from the extreme usage
d)Game will end up to a pure run and die sequence than makes you rich,and will spoil it

In case that someone asks how this Quest can be done... here is the way.
Pro runners are A/R or R/A

Steps
1)Skills needed While you keep Shadow Arts and Wilderness Survival at max (20 points)

a)Shadow Form
b)Dash
c)Storm Chaser
d)Dark Escape
e)Dodge
f)Feigned Neutrality
g)Death Charge
h)Dark Prison

2)Get the necessery equipments:
weapon set 1 A weapon with +20% enchantments
weapon set 2 A weapon with +30hp and a shield/focus with +30hp
weapon set 3 Vamp weapon and +30 hp shield/focus
weapon set 4 A Grim Cesta -50Hp and a vamp weapon

3)Newcomers Go to Lutgardis and take the quest of securing fendale and then try to memorize the 4 spots you have to visit

4)Assemble a 5 man team. 4 runners to 4 spots and 1 door to minimize time. 3 more spots available for saccing(just die and get reward) or dumb bots.

5)When you enter fendale each of 4 runners runs direct to his point.
Using weapon set 1 casts shadow form to past all enemies.
When Shadow form ends switches to weapon set 2 to have more health while running to spot.
If there is enought health switch to weapon set 3 to stop regen of health
When you get to point switch to set 4 to die instantly
Then the door takes quest and reward and map travels to city.The others are ressurected and after take quest and reward go to city,to find door next to the gate to start round 2 in less than 5 sec.
*If luxons have the city the door bribes the priest 50gold so the rest can be ressurected near the reward

Master this and yes you are uprsing millionaires ---
UNLESS Someone Makes the right move and finally fix that BUG that so many people have already complained about

Stormcloud · Dec 30, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

So let me get this straight, you think that:

1. A repeatable quest is a bug.
2. You feel its unfair.
3. This hasnt been brought up before.

Try searching, and check wiki if you dont think this is well know, they have several builds posted for this run.

As for bots running it...yea anet should look into banning all bots.

Fountoukhs · Dec 30, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

A) Zaishens elite is a repeatable quest also (but chars stop gaining balthazar faction beyond a point for each day) The fact that it doesnt happen here means something?

B)LoL its fair!! I know many that got fow armor cause of this

(got what i mean?)

C)I know that 70% of Guildwars players dont even know it...

So lets enlight them all

milan · Dec 30, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

thanks, saved me searching for a build

Kendar Muert · Dec 30, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

This is a bug how?

Antheus · Dec 30, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Why post this now?

It's an old thing, and that run has been going on forever, although with somewhat different builds.

Lutgardis has been dead since well before NF, and people were having hard time getting FF groups together. So it's not a major botting issue.

Simply put: You've used this run, but have now gotten bored with it, and are just trying to prevent others from doing it.

Compared to bots in other areas, a remote and obscure FF method is long forgotten and beyond anyone's interest.

Fountoukhs · Dec 30, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

I am still using this run and ain't gonna stop it (dunno the same luxon area so farm but there is similar ) and LOL Lutgardis never died(easy cash and titles never die)! Actually after NF release its even easier with heroes because the 2 spots can be run with heroes

So need just 2-3 man party and tell me its hard to find 2 man party?

Why post it now:
1)It just looked strange that many people dont even know this spot and complain that cant afford money to buy amber with AB's, plus many guild sites that do it are locked so people can't see it.I personally found it recently while joined a FFF guild(had already spend tons of hours at abs

) Just ask ingame what is fff and if people know it and you will see

2)Hollidays here, why not everyone gets some free cash? We all deserve it

3)Many people have already complained and Anet responce was to post our opinions in a forum so other people notice it. So here just collecting opinions and thanks for participating.
4)In a faction competition game, lame ways are inapropriate. And just dont tell me its fair someone controlls capital cities while he doesnt even know what ab is because of this. I bet if people knew it ABS = DEAD because at the same time triple amounts would have gathered plus GOLD. So pretending that everyone knows it its sneaky and that was the main reason i posted.
5)I am and was AB lover

So the main reason is to fix it so ab's get more interesting

6)Green farm and FFF are primary the main areas for bot farm, because in all the other areas drops fade while farming the same area while here rewards is always the same

Its a Bug Because :
1)It was programmed to act in a different way than the way it is now.
2)Its results dont stand logically thought the outcome seems correct.

Simply Put : I dont like leaving things the way they are, just try to make them better for all

and as "Antheus" said above its a long thing that happens forever and noone does nothing about it.

Venus was her name · Dec 30, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

carry on farming your gold for fow armour and your FFF faction.

Some facts

1. Most of the Alliances that hold towns are made up from no lifers, i was in [any] (owners of cavalon) ages ago and they are complete weirdos. (i left becuase they dont speak at all...they just sit silent doing FFF runs and Ab's) [any] also brag when they enter Ab's. so i will usually throw some verbal back at them.

2. Having FoW armour doesn't make you good at guildwars. Playing various aspects of the game, as all the classes makes you a good player. Plugging away day after day doing 1 thing over and over actually makes you a worse player and limits your skill. experienced players will just manipulate the market to make money. (buy low sell high)

3. In alliance battles or any other PvP area if i see anybody from a major City holding guild who brags or announces themselves in local. i will for the ENTIRE MATCH hunt them..and only them over and over until they noob call me in local chat. The same goes for rank emote flashers and people who will mention how cool their FoW armour is over and over.

4. buying ebay gold requires no skill

I'll go play some guildwars while you guys do FFF runs and waste your game time.

Not A Fifty Five · Dec 30, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Heh, why does anet consistently keep putting things in the game where doing some stupid thing over and over gets you the best results? for over a year its been solo farming wins over group farming, faction farming wins over AB, insect hunting wins over quests for sunspear points... its kinda like they have this "Rot your brain, rot your brain" rant going through that compels you to sit there running the same mindless crap over and over till you become a zombie.

Faer · Dec 30, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

I'm locking this for two reasons, one being the fact that it's been brought up before and the other being that you can solo this thing in about a minute or so even with the quest active. Here's a tip:

[skill]Shadow Form[/skill] [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill]

Obviously, changing the "bug" wouldn't do anything except make people roll more Assassins and Mesmers...