Curse

jsumners · Jan 02, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

This old thread -- http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10041465 -- does a good job of outlining the problem. I've seen America have favor only a handful of times in the past couple of months, and only for short times at that. Playing for Japan or Taiwan? Forget having favor at all. At least, as far as I have seen.

I rarely PvP, and then mostly Random Arenas until I want to gouge my eyes out (about two matches). So my interest in having favor lies in the PvE benefits. Benefits like shrines that work and the ability to go to the Fissure of Woe; a place I have yet to go in over a year of playing, and it looks like I never will.

I would really like to hear from someone associated with ANet about this issue. Is this really functioning as intended? Or is it as broken as it seems to be? If it is broken, what is being done about it? Anything?

Stupid Shizno · Jan 02, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

within the past month ive seen taiwan take it from euro and hold.

and america holds halls for a few hours dailey, mostly from 0000-0700 GMT+1

Muk Utep · Jan 02, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Your playtimes will affect who you perceive to hold favor the most. While the Asian regions do indeed rarely win the favor of the gods (I've never seen it happen) I do see America on a daily basis. However, their prime time is in the middle of the night and in the morning for Europe, so most people don't witness this. Try observing some PvP matches at 7am and see how many of the teams are European.

There's not much to be done about who wins. It's simply about which region has the largest and/or best playerbase at any given time, and you can't really force more people to play on one side. Concerning the issue of access to favor-required areas, a possible compromise (without removing the concept of having to win it) could be to allow each region access for a couple of hours during their prime time. So regardless of how the matches go, America could have access to those zones for a few hours when Europe sleeps, and equivalent for other area groups. I don't know if it would work, but that's the best I could think of.

milan · Jan 02, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

This is rather ironic. Some time ago it was Europeans complaining almost daily that Europe never held halls, most of the replies from the US players were - 'stop sucking and win'.

Not quite sure why the roles have reversed themselves however I'm pretty sure there isn't a 'bug' or that the halls are broken.

jsumners · Jan 02, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Stupid Shizno

within the past month ive seen taiwan take it from euro and hold.

and america holds halls for a few hours dailey, mostly from 0000-0700 GMT+1

That's nice.

I typically play during those times you've listed. Usually, from about 19:00 to 23:00 (UTC -5). I've seen Japan have control once, and America only a few times for maybe an hour or two at a time. Should I be expected to stop whatever I may be doing at the time and run to ToA, hoping to get in a decent group for FoW, during one of these rare occurrences?

Long story short, this PvP area is affecting PvE way too much. I'm all for benefits coming from holding the Hall. But when the benefits affect a large community in such a way as to be detrimental when they are absent, they need to be reevaluated.

logan90 · Jan 02, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

This is rather ironic. Some time ago it was Europeans complaining almost daily that Europe never held halls, most of the replies from the US players were - 'stop sucking and win'.

Not quite sure why the roles have reversed themselves however I'm pretty sure there isn't a 'bug' or that the halls are broken.

So the Americans are complaining that Europe did exactly what they said to do? Lol.

jsumners · Jan 02, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

This is rather ironic. Some time ago it was Europeans complaining almost daily that Europe never held halls, most of the replies from the US players were - 'stop sucking and win'.

Not quite sure why the roles have reversed themselves however I'm pretty sure there isn't a 'bug' or that the halls are broken.

I'm not really whining IMHO. I just think something is wrong when the "benefits" of such an area affect a whole region and the only way for them to be beneficial is for a player to be logged on at the right time. I can't wait around until 3:00 AM or whatever just so I can do some new quests. I want to do the quests, but I have responsibilities that prevent me from staying up that late just to do them (e.g. work and class). Also, as I outlined in my original post, it would be nice to be able to make use of the shrines, at least occasionally, as I am adventuring in other areas.

Edit:

I wasn't suggesting the Hall is bugged. I was suggesting that the system for favor itself is broken. "Broken" does not imply "bug" in this sense.

jsumners · Jan 02, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muk Utep

Your playtimes will affect who you perceive to hold favor the most. While the Asian regions do indeed rarely win the favor of the gods (I've never seen it happen) I do see America on a daily basis. However, their prime time is in the middle of the night and in the morning for Europe, so most people don't witness this. Try observing some PvP matches at 7am and see how many of the teams are European.

There's not much to be done about who wins. It's simply about which region has the largest and/or best playerbase at any given time, and you can't really force more people to play on one side. Concerning the issue of access to favor-required areas, a possible compromise (without removing the concept of having to win it) could be to allow each region access for a couple of hours during their prime time. So regardless of how the matches go, America could have access to those zones for a few hours when Europe sleeps, and equivalent for other area groups. I don't know if it would work, but that's the best I could think of.

This is what I'm getting at. Why should I, a mostly casual PvE player, have to be up at 3:00 AM or 7:00 AM to access content I've paid for? The Fissure of Woe and The Underworld aren't PvP areas. The are explorable, PvE, areas. The shrines scattered all over the world aren't PvP only shrines. Hell, you can't even use them in PvP. It makes very little sense to cripple such a large aspect of the game simply because the PvP players in your region suck. Hell yes I wish those who play in the Hall for America would quit sucking so hard during Europe's peak time. But I also wouldn't be bothered at all if their bad strategies didn't affect my game in the slightest.

Yanman.be · Jan 02, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

This is rather ironic. Some time ago it was Europeans complaining almost daily that Europe never held halls, most of the replies from the US players were - 'stop sucking and win'.

Not quite sure why the roles have reversed themselves however I'm pretty sure there isn't a 'bug' or that the halls are broken.

QFT QFT QFT QFT

Tony Blair · Jan 02, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Not having halls does not "cripple such a large aspect of the game."

Stop turning this into PvE vs. PvP. Do not blame it on the PvP players in your region. If you care so much about halls do something about it.

And in case you haven't noticed, Europe has a lot more players, at least PvP-wise. Check the ladder.

America has held enough halls in the past anyways, now Europe has their time. America still holds enough daily and I don't see where you are coming from claiming you have to be up around 3-7 AM just to access FoW. And, far from an optimal solution, but you can always switch to the European server if you feel it is "such a large aspect of the game."

I don't mean to flame, but saying American PvPers suck, have bad strategies, etc., and that that affects your game so much (*cough*) is not nice.

Nickhimself · Jan 02, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

America gets the favor a few times during the day, but we take it every single night and hold it for a decent amount of time.

Europe usually holds it during the day.

That's how it is.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jan 02, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

What Tony said. There are less american PvPers and they are lower quality (and yes I'm American). Also, the favor system atm, IMHO, is partly broken due to 6v6. Since it is extremely hard to hold (due to 6v6) pretty much whichever region has the most teams playing halls is going to have favor. That would be Europe. If it were easier to hold, America might have favor a bit more... of course if it were 8v8 there would also be iway, so again, America would have favor more.

jsumners · Jan 02, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Tony Blair

Not having halls does not "cripple such a large aspect of the game."

Stop turning this into PvE vs. PvP. Do not blame it on the PvP players in your region. If you care so much about halls do something about it.

And in case you haven't noticed, Europe has a lot more players, at least PvP-wise. Check the ladder.

America has held enough halls in the past anyways, now Europe has their time. America still holds enough daily and I don't see where you are coming from claiming you have to be up around 3-7 AM just to access FoW. And, far from an optimal solution, but you can always switch to the European server if you feel it is "such a large aspect of the game."

I don't mean to flame, but saying American PvPers suck, have bad strategies, etc., and that that affects your game so much (*cough*) is not nice.

Why would I look at the ladder? As I've said, I don't play PvP that much. If PvP were my main concern in the game then I would pay attention to the ladder. As it is, I like to do missions, quests, and challenging areas with my guildmates/friends. Aside from not wanting to play for the European region, being the American that I am, I would have to convince at least my guild to all convert to Europe so we wouldn't have to deal with International Districts. ("Meet me in Lion's Arch district 1". "Where are you?" "Right beside storage." "I don't see you." "Dammit, I'm in the International District.")

If the American PvPers can only hold the area in question for a short time during peak play times, then yes, they suck. It isn't that hard of a conclusion to reach. They have a good run every now and then, but then they loose almost immediately. And yes, their poor performance does affect my game. I've outlined it plenty. And the post I originally linked to outlines it even more; from the perspective of the side that constantly holds the Hall.

Stupid Shizno · Jan 02, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

@jsummers

stop running sf and builds and maybe your countrymen would win halls more often? just a gander

i am american, on american district, and go to HA AD1 and you see wammos and monks with bane signet, healing breeze asking for "healer for group"...sorry buddy, but the level of skill in AD1 just isnt there. and if your main concern ISNT pvp, why are you even worried about who holds halls? cant go to UW/FoW? tough luck i guess, this isnt a new complain from people, and arena net clearly dosnt plan on changing this. i enjoy the fact pvp aspect of the game influnces pve, afterall, this is a pvp game. not WoW.

SirShadowrunner · Jan 02, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

This has to my biggest beef with this game, be playing for
16months, one year hardcore in FoW and UW, I live in the US
and I have both my accounts in Europe, why????? They have
favor every morning when I wake up and every afternoon when
I get home from work.
America normally starts controlling favor sometime after
midnight when I goto bed, every morning I open the Guild
window and sure enough a bunch of guildies up till "morning"
playing GW.
There is no way most ppl are going to do this, SO I end up not
doing much with our guild because they sleep till midnight and
then get up and start playing.

Solution, I don't know of one that will work, to many loopholes
for ppl to exploit and to much of a hassle for Anet to
micro-manage this, so join the crowd and switch to Europe.

sorry for being pissy, this issue just makes me mad.......

FireFox · Jan 02, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

lets get a few things straight, alot of the americans couldnt care less about HA anymore for one thing, for another When Europe couldn't ever get favor both the europeans AND quite a few of the americans had asked for a change to the favor system. But it seems that the Europeans find it fine now.

Cataclysm · Jan 02, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

See the problem is America DOES get favor, but its at such an ungodly early hour only people in Alaska or Hawai'i can take advantage of it.

Pickle · Jan 02, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

All I can say is, where you playing on the Euro servers when the game was released and months after? We had the favour maybe 2 times a week for an hour. The rest of the time it was held by Korea and America. When we eventually got it (good old Dynasty Warriors haha loved you guys), it was like a mad house, 50 districts at ToA (exaggeration of course).

But nothing was done about it then, I cant see anything being done now. And don't worry, I know how annoying it is.

jsumners · Jan 02, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Stupid Shizno

@jsummers

stop running sf and spirt spamming builds and maybe your countrymen would win halls more often? just a gander

i am american, on american district, and go to HA AD1 and you see wammos and monks with ban signet, healing breeze asking for "healer for group"...sorry buddy, but the level of skill in AD1 just isnt there.

Don't tell me that; tell the people that play PvP. I've never even joined a team to attempt the Hall of Heroes. I don't have any inkling what sort of builds people use there. Actually, I don't know what any of that you just mentioned means. And that is what I've been trying to get across. If the people representing a region (any region) in the PvP tournament are so poor, why should their accomplishments or failures affect the people that don't care about PvP?

jsumners · Jan 02, 2007, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Pickle

All I can say is, where you playing on the Euro servers when the game was released and months after? We had the favour maybe 2 times a week for an hour. The rest of the time it was held by Korea and America that held it. When we eventually got it (good old Dynasty Warriors haha loved you guys), it was like a mad house, 50 districts at ToA (exaggeration of course).

But nothing was done about it then, I cant see anything being done now. And don't worry, I know how annoying it is.

I realize that. What you are saying is the reason I have tried to be as region agnostic a possible. I'm not trying to whine "Boohoo! My region never has favor. Please gimp the game so it will." I'm trying to find out why whole regions have to be affected by their PvP community's strategies. I'll be so bold as to say it was a good idea on paper, but it clearly doesn't work out so well in practice.