Curse

ainkami · Jan 03, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

I personally think more newbie tips needs to be given out by Nightfall NPCs. ANet should have an NPC that checks for following things at Consulate Docks. If a newbie player doesn't have the followings things, it should kindly remind him to get it ASAP.

Max armor
Max damage weapon
One superior rune(or 2 major runes)
One health boasting vigor rune
Purchasing skills with earned skill points
Obtain all 200 skill points and distributing attribute points
Having all 8 skillbars filled up.

I'm sure the above things are common sense to most veterans, but I doubt most newbies will remember them from the tutorial. An NPC that does a checklist will really help these players. Players from prophecies had a whole campaign to learn these things, while Nightfall players are rushed to Lv20. Hopefully, a checklist NPC will increase the number of competent PUGers.

P.S. I'm writing this because I partied with a W/Mo with low HP going through Pogahn Passge using only power attack.

leprekan · Jan 03, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Most of the seriously bad players wouldn't be helped by this ... they would assume they knew better and not read it (too leet to learn). They could be filtered out with chapter 4 with a basic IQ test at the install screen

Duly Thankful · Jan 03, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Now that really would reduce the playerbase...

Antheus · Jan 03, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Why superior or major rune?

On a monk I only run minors. So I'd be prevented from continuing? Tanks often run minors only as well.

All 200 skill points? On a MM I'm good to go as soon as I reach 16 death, which is level 14 to 16.

8 skills on skillbar? Yea. A skillbar filled with useless skills. On paragon I think I ran with 4 or 5 only, until I actually racked up some useful skills. Filling the skill bar with useless skills doesn't improve you.

Max damage weapon? So my monk that uses a sword and a shield with attrbitues the class doesn't even have is wrong?

Max armor? Why? Armor is useless unless you know how to play. No ammount of armor will keep a squishie alive if they prefer to tank.

A vigor rune? Well, it helps. But it's not even needed. What if I'm playing a bip, or SF assassin? Or, god forbid, a 55.

The real problem is, getting rushed there. But hey, that's an exploit in the first place.

Level 20 for docks? Meh. Level 3 Koss, 14 tahikora, 9 dunkoro, me at 17. And it was a party with bonus completed as well. Nothing before Vabbi requires level 20. And nothing should ever hint that is the case.

But almost all of those advices aren't absolute, and serve as unfair discriminator. Especially, since none of those is really required.

Tagon · Jan 03, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by ainkami

One superior rune(or 2 major runes)

I disagree with this one. Some times the benifits of the higher runes do not make up for the health loss. I think it would be better if the rune quest that gave you a vigor rune explained more detail about runes in general Instead of just having you go grab some dye in the river and giving you a minor vigor. Explain more about the runes and give the character a choice of any minor rune the class can use

Tachyon · Jan 03, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by leprekan

They could be filtered out with chapter 4 with a basic IQ test at the install screen

Hell yeah, now that's an idea I would be completely happy with. Especially after some of the cretins I've had the misfortune to PUG with in the past.

sixdartbart · Jan 03, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by leprekan

They could be filtered out with chapter 4 with a basic IQ test at the install screen

I hate petitions but

/signs petition

*Darcy* · Jan 03, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

High IQ doesn't make you a good player. You need common sense, which is something you have to learn through trial and error.

To be a great player, you need common sense, good reflexes and tactical skills. That description probably fits about 1% of the players (and doesn't include me).

lg5000 · Jan 03, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Most of the seriously bad players wouldn't be helped by this ... they would assume they knew better and not read it (too leet to learn). They could be filtered out with chapter 4 with a basic IQ test at the install screen

Hm.. they'd just get someone smart to install it for them

mega_jamie · Jan 03, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

would you like an NPC before Co-op missions telling you the best builds to win as well?

GW isnt abount hand-holding, whats the worst that can happen, they will take a bit longer to get past the docks?

Omega X · Jan 03, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by mega_jamie

GW isnt abount hand-holding, whats the worst that can happen, they will take a bit longer to get past the docks?

Those new people would quit and spread the world that Guild Wars is a bad game to play.

ANET already knows that they need a layer of information so that New players can understand and play the game competently enough.

I personally think that that layer needs a bit more info.

Either that or someone isn't reading.

Malice Black · Jan 04, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Anet should just advertise Guru and Wiki once in a while.

Example in red lettering: "Visit Guild Wars Guru for all your Guild Wars needs".

The NPC would mainly get ignored IMO. My solution would been seen by everyone.

A simple click could turn this on/off for those that woould class this as "spam".

Zinger314 · Jan 04, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

"Press Alt + F4 for free gold!"

It's best to learn by Social Darwinism.

ken71880 · Jan 04, 2007, 05:58 AM // 05:58

I play a tank, using swords. I do not like this suggestion, for one, I find most major runes worthless to me, I do occasionally use minor runes when I find one that interest me. In terms of Max armor, if anyone is at all smart, you buy that armor when you get to the docks, if you can't afford at least the chest piece and the leggings, (especially if you are a Nightfall character) then you are not ready to move on. I think the best advice we can honestly have is if your character is (much) lower then the Henchmen, you probably will not be able to win without serious help from others. If no one would accept a level 15-19 character for the mission, the player will eventually learn that he/she need to be a higher character or try to do it by themself. Anet does not nor should control how we play - the players can do some of that themselves just fine.

Ken71880

escoffier · Jan 04, 2007, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Most of the seriously bad players wouldn't be helped by this ... they would assume they knew better and not read it (too leet to learn). They could be filtered out with chapter 4 with a basic IQ test at the install screen

still laughing ....great idea!

Not A Fifty Five · Jan 04, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

/signed

I don't think most people even remember their newbie stage and how crappy they were. My first character, e.g. was a blood necro that I built to be a tank from health earned on life siphon. By the desert, I could beat my dopple at level 16 and by the end I eventually changed into a battery. The time of "newbieness" was rather short so I don't remember it much, but I can definately say I wouldn't party with me (then) at thunderhead keep if I were me (now) if I (then) hadn't taken the advice of the OP.

Dark Dragon · Jan 04, 2007, 02:27 PM // 14:27

i remember what it was like (being new) by typing /deaths :P

but in all seriousness i think that more tips are needed in the newbie area, not sure what would been seen as helpful, but currently i think that it is lacking for somone who is completely new.

ainkami · Jan 04, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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