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Dobermann · Feb 11, 2007, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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You only get waht 4 titles for PvP (Glad Champ Rank Commander and the 5th Skillz for the snowball fights)

You get armour that looks good in PvP, i know.

HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when i was new to game, i accidently selected make pvp not pve and i made a warrior, female, and i instantly loved the knights armour, now im thinking of making another cahr, and i want to see in advance for myself (not thru screenshots) waht the armours look like before i make that char...

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Originally Posted by actionjack

You also forgot about unlocking pet skins.

/agree

my rigor mortis ranger is boring now i keep getting a wolf... i want FoW spider =^.^= (and yea id be happy to pay 50k faction for it)

how about pet armour also? ^^

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"Da Fuse"

Knightsaber Sith · Feb 12, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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PvP is about functionality; vanity items are for PvE. The day PvE titles get emotes will likely be around the same time you'll be able to unlock skins with Balthazar faction.

daraaksii · Feb 12, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

We got a nice line between PvE and PvP. That's the skin.

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Age · Feb 12, 2007, 09:25 AM // 09:25

/Not Signed if you want go Farm it like the rest of us not with Faction.

The Silver Star · Feb 12, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by Jeff Highwind

/notsigned.

We've been here before, People play PvE SOLEY because they get access to the elite weapon and armor skins. If it's unlockable in PvP then people will loose all motivation to play PvE anymore.

Thanks you just told everybody reading this how bad the PvE in guildwars is. If you play a game to get more expensive weapons and armor and grind money in-game for this then there is somethign wrong.

/signed

PvE is all about griding and repetatively doing the same thign voer and over again jsut to look different.

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/Not Signed if you want go Farm it like the rest of us not with Faction.

Wow so people shouldnt be able to unlock armor skins with faction because they should have to "Farm" jesus if you have to grind and farm something repetatively jsut to look different tis not worth having.

Diddy bow · Feb 12, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Chewbacca Defense · Feb 12, 2007, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Under the condition that fame emotes are also available in PvE.

This resolves several issues:

Completely unlocked PvP accounts can now spend Balth Points again
Removes "emote for me" in HA, so now people will have to judge by skill
PvE'rs can now have bambi's for their own visual delight

I'm a pure PvP'er and have a completely unlocked account with the inability to spend my bath points.

If there is no armour for PvP'ers, then at least something else to spend the bath points on.

Franco Power · Feb 12, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Well doesn't need to be weapons, but give me something to spend my faction on -_-, it's just sitting there.

Dougal Kronik · Feb 12, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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There is not enough investment of time and effort for a PvP player to earn the elite skins.

Unless they had to unlock it for each PvP avatar at an extremely high amount of faction. Which, of course, they would lose the unlock when they rerolled that character slot.

Wretchman Drake · Feb 12, 2007, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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My PvE characters are pvp ready with all skills from their proffesion and many from others, plus I have max stats equipment the way i like it for pvp. i enjoy seeing my hard work being put to good use. pve characters should be the only ones to wear and use things unique. pvp wars can stick to their noobish knights armor while mine has 15k gladiators black and a tyrian hand axe black with max stats, 20/20 hp+30 ty very much.

Evilsod · Feb 12, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by The Silver Star

Wow so people shouldnt be able to unlock armor skins with faction because they should have to "Farm" jesus if you have to grind and farm something repetatively jsut to look different tis not worth having.

No, they should stop whining and play the damn storyline if they want rare skins and special armours. If you want ease of modding, you make a PvP char, if you want flashy items, you make a PvE char and equip it well.

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Zonzai · Feb 12, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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PvE is for looks. You PvP only players aren't supposed to care about that asthetic stuff.

TheBaron82 · Feb 12, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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But I would like to see being able to get fame or something to get rid of my balthazar factions. I dont mind spending 10k balth factions for 1 fame.

BlueNovember · Feb 13, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by Age

/Not Signed if you want go Farm it like the rest of us not with Faction.

How is farming for faction different (in principle) to farming to gold?

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Originally Posted by daraaksii

We got a nice line between PvE and PvP. That's the skin.

Why should there be a "nice line" between the two communities? They share the same game, skills, and are both effected by updates. "United we stand divided we fall"?

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Originally Posted by Jeff Highwind

...The average player base doesn't get these without hardcore dedication.

As stated, the 15k's are rewards for PLAYER VS ENVIRONMENT players. Since they decide to grind through storylines to build up their characters, The vanity armors and weapon skins are their rewards for their effort....

Maybe some people don't like to PvP? Half of my guild prefers to PvE more than PvP because they don't like dealing with the arrogance and elitism of the PvP world. PvP is not the center of the universe for every player, Most players like the PvE experience. I for one love the Tyrian and Canthan environments and the Tyrian and Elonian storylines hence why I always make PvE characters.

Case closed, just deal with it.

"Deal with it"?
For someone who tries to separate himself from the "arrogant and elitist" pvp crowd, you sure do come across arrogant and elitist.

Your points addressed:
Hard core dedication/grind? Who said the faction cost was cheap? Why not make it 500k faction per armour peice per class? (Bought in slots of 50k, so you had to "grind" some pvp titiles also). Heck, this would make it harder than the pve FoW. Additionally, you could not "eBay it". (Not saying that all FoW is eBayed).

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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

Here's an idea, if they allowed that, then they should allow PvE players to buy rank emotes for gold

Fame is not Faction. To correclty make your analogy, the reverse of PvPers using Faction to buy something acquired with gold would be PvErs buying something with gold that's acquired by faction. Eg, using Gold to buy unlocks. That's a pretty harmless idea really, but warrants discussion in another thread.

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Originally Posted by Zonzai

PvE is for looks. You PvP only players aren't supposed to care about that asthetic stuff.

"PvE is for looks" is an opinion. I play pvp, I care. (Or rather, I care about PVE obsidian, but there's no point me crafting it as I spend more time on a pvp char)

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

they [pvpers] should stop whining and play the damn storyline if they want rare skins and special armours.

That's not the problem; they _have_ them already. They just can't _use_ them because using a PVE char in PVP is a generally a tactical disadvantage.

Hypothetical analogy:
"PVE chars can now get emotes, but they can only display them on pvp chars. Unfortunately, PvP chars cannot venture into PvE zones."
This is basically the situation pvp chars are faced with.

The difference is that pve chars _cannot_ get pve emotes, but you _could_ pvp with a pve char, if you chose to. (Hence "but we don't have pve emotes" is not a valid counter arguement).

~
Blue (For the record, I enjoy both pve and pvp)

Jeff Highwind · Feb 13, 2007, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by BlueNovember

"Deal with it"?
For someone who tries to separate himself from the "arrogant and elitist" pvp crowd, you sure do come across arrogant and elitist.

Your points addressed:
Hard core dedication/grind? Who said the faction cost was cheap? Why not make it 500k faction per armour peice per class? (Bought in slots of 50k, so you had to "grind" some pvp titiles also). Heck, this would make it harder than the pve FoW. Additionally, you could not "eBay it". (Not saying that all FoW is eBayed).

Who said I wasn't arrogant and elitist? mojave mango and Queen Christie know that I am extremely arrogant at times, I was mentioning that some of my guildies hated it.

And the Per Class unlock sounds really good but it demands quite a high aptitude of PvP titles (at least r5 Hero and other titles). But you went off on a tangent targeting my elitism and grinding comments. My main point in my OP was to say PvE/PvP needs somthing the other cannot get. For PvE it's armor and for PvP it's the animated emotes. Even if it is hard to get allowing for 15k+ armor unlocks in PvP would make the PvE would dead as people faction-farm all the arenas instead of enjoying the story given in PvE.

BlueNovember · Feb 13, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Jeff Highwind

Who said I wasn't arrogant and elitist? mojave mango and Queen Christie know that I am extremely arrogant at times, I was mentioning that some of my guildies hated it.

And the Per Class unlock sounds really good but it demands quite a high aptitude of PvP titles (at least r5 Hero and other titles). But you went off on a tangent targeting my elitism and grinding comments. My main point in my OP was to say PvE/PvP needs somthing the other cannot get. For PvE it's armor and for PvP it's the animated emotes. Even if it is hard to get allowing for 15k+ armor unlocks in PvP would make the PvE would dead as people faction-farm all the arenas instead of enjoying the story given in PvE.

I didn't think I was moving tangentially; I'm just a big lover of irony. Appologies if this was the case. Arrogance is one of my own flaws also.

I agree that PvE and PvP draw different people and so it is sensible for both to have aspects that the other cannot achieve. I don't however think that people play PvE just because you can get high-level armour. I find it _very_ unlikely that all PvErs would stop PvEing just to grind faction for armour.
PvE has storyline, big mob battles, item farming, gold farming, exploration, pve title hunting, and probably quite a few more things PvP does not have; it's more than just the armour.

Morganas · Feb 13, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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I'm a pvp'er first and a pve'er second, I think lots of things should focus around pvp, like skill balance and item balance between pvp and pve, but this is a terrible idea.

PVE players like to have neat looking ways of differentiating their characters. If you knew the market, you'd know that pve'ers are obsessed with rarity. If pvpers could get those skins too, it would devalue those skins in the eyes of pve players.

Pvpers would gain something of trivial importance to them (of course they'll ask for it anyways, since it's kinda neat), while Pve would lose something of prime importance to them.

Priest Of Sin · Feb 13, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Sounds awesome, paying balth faction for FoW armor. Well...

What sounds REALLY awesome is if HA emotes (deer, wolf, ect) were awarded to PvE chars with large ammounts of Exp

Not too happy, all those who grinded for your wolf? Are you mad that a PvE char can just do a few FoW runs and grab the emote for themselves? Does this infuriate you? Well, now you know how we feel when you suggest stupid things like this. You can go kill shit for a few hours in TA and unlock 15k armor, wereas we have to farm for days. You have to farm fame for days to get that first emote, whereas we could spend 4 hours to amass a huge ammount of exp to grab it.

PvE and PvP, whether Anet likes it or not, have become entirely seperate games. Let's keep them that way. Unless, of course, both communities are willing to share the awesome aspects of their respective games (15k armor and emotes).

my 2 cents.

BlueNovember · Feb 13, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Morganas

/notsigned
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PVE players like to have neat looking ways of differentiating their characters. If you knew the market, you'd know that pve'ers are obsessed with rarity. If pvpers could get those skins too, it would devalue those skins in the eyes of pve players.
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I agree that a wider-variety of players could now attain Obs/15k, (those that heavily pvp but don't pve much or at all,) but I disagree that this would make the armour sets any less rare.
No-one is saying it would be easy to acquire, just that pvpers need something to spend faction on, and this fits nicely. Make it cost obscene amounts of faction; people may not get any pieces for months - it would still be rare in the eyes of pve players.

Sax Dakota · Feb 13, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

I don't think that you should be able to "unlock it" with faction per-say. I'm under the belief that if you bought the armor(s) for your pve warrior, you should be able to wear them in PvP. Only if you have bought the armor in PvE. I definitely do not think that you should be able to Unlock Fissure armor w/ faction....

Or if you have so much Kurzick faction / Luxon faction you have the ability to wear that factions armor on your PvP, IE Ally of Kurzick / Luxon.

many might not agree, I'm just throwing some stuff out there.