Curse

arzamond · Mar 11, 2007, 09:38 AM // 09:38

it would make sense if zealous benediction is under healing prayer... right?

i can't see why zb is under protection prayers. no matter how you see it, it purpose is to heal ally! it's not protecting, just heal!

Thomas.knbk · Mar 11, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Being in prot is what makes it good.
As a protection monk, you need a direct heal. No matter what. Previously, you had to spec into healing to get that heal, and it wouldn't be self-targeted. (Gift of Health was the heal of choice)
What ZB does, is allowing protection monks to spread their attributes over fewer attributes, which is indeed quite powerful.
To be honest, if it was in healing it would be a pretty bad elite.

CR3AT0R · Mar 11, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

if it was healing it would be bad.
WoH > ZB
if both where healing.

Relambrien · Mar 11, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

For the RPG'ers out there

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"Protection" can be defined as anything that prevents something negative happening to an ally.

Zealous Benediction is designed to be used when the target is under half health. Thus PROTECTING it from dying with a massive heal. And when I last checked, dying was something negative.

Mitchel · Mar 11, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Yes lets put Divine Favor under healing to because it heals.
/unsarcasm

Xeones The Great · Mar 11, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

first off, to correct some peeps. ZB>WoH!

ZB is in prot prayers, so a prot monk can have a 200+heal w/o speccing into healin.

u can target yourself with ZB.

if circumstances are met in both situations, ZB is a free target ALLY 190hp heal.

if circumstances are NOT met, ZB heals for over double WoH, while costing double the energy.

same cast time, same recharge time.

Thomas.knbk · Mar 11, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

first off, to correct some peeps. ZB>WoH!

He said 'if both were healing. And he's correct about that.

Jeff Highwind · Mar 11, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Yea the only thing putting ZB in Healing would do is give healbots another skill to copy-pasta in a template. Prot monks need some love, plus it helps take the pressure off healbots also.

HawkofStorms · Mar 11, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

No. /notsigned
Your thinking about this skill in the wrong way. The reason for its existance is to but a healing spell into protection. Move it and it would be pointless.
The skill works in terms of gameplay. Your thinking about the skill in terms of "realism." Its a skill that heals in protection, therefore its "wrong."

ZB should stay because of the improved gameplay of it as it allows for more usage of straight up protection prayers monks in PvE.

Skyy High · Mar 11, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

ZB in healing would be better than WoH, if used correctly (ie, only when the target is below 50%)...one is a free 190 point heal, the other costs 5. =/ I can't see how people are saying WoH is better.

Aera · Mar 11, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

ZB is a gift from the Gods to GvG monks...infuse, switch weapon, ZB, voila back to full hp for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Keep it prot please.

( For all the PvE'ers: Yes GvG monks run infuse even though they're prot monks )

Skye Marin · Mar 11, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

I think we need a good protection elite in healing.

Hands of Dwayna - Healing Prayers
5 1/4 8
Elite Spell. For 1..5 seconds, target ally cannot lose more than 5% of his total health from any single attack skill or spell that causes damage.

Plague · Mar 11, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

I personally get tired of seeing ZB used in PvP. If a monk uses it on himself when he's below 50% health (sometimes difficult to manage anyway) then he gets a massive boost of health and gains back 10 energy, and it recharges seconds later. So effectively, the only way to kill a monk with this skill is to interrupt the skill or to spike him with an incredible amount of damage, or just overwhelm him absolutely.

Puebert · Mar 11, 2007, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Its under protection.

It should stay.

Otherwise I'd have to go back to WoH. :S

Thomas.knbk · Mar 11, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plague

I personally get tired of seeing ZB used in PvP. If a monk uses it on himself when he's below 50% health (sometimes difficult to manage anyway) then he gets a massive boost of health and gains back 10 energy, and it recharges seconds later. So effectively, the only way to kill a monk with this skill is to interrupt the skill or to spike him with an incredible amount of damage, or just overwhelm him absolutely.

Gotta love people who think they know about PvP game balance when they play RA every once in a while.
ZB isn't close to imba.

Arkantos · Mar 11, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Gameplay > Realism

Theres lots of skills that don't fit the description of the attribute line.

Quote:

I personally get tired of seeing ZB used in PvP. If a monk uses it on himself when he's below 50% health (sometimes difficult to manage anyway) then he gets a massive boost of health and gains back 10 energy, and it recharges seconds later. So effectively, the only way to kill a monk with this skill is to interrupt the skill or to spike him with an incredible amount of damage, or just overwhelm him absolutely.

Play some real PvP please, RA doesn't count.

TheLordOfBlah · Mar 11, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Have to admit... ZB doesnt make a whole lot of sense under prot, however im not saying "ZOMG MOVEI T!"

""Protection" can be defined as anything that prevents something negative happening to an ally.

Zealous Benediction is designed to be used when the target is under half health. Thus PROTECTING it from dying with a massive heal. And when I last checked, dying was something negative."

But under that logic, couldnt you say the same thing about WoH?... or any healing prayer for that matter since they all prevent them from dying?

My idea of healing is recovering from damage taken, protection is PREVENTING damage from being taken.

arzamond · Mar 11, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

saying 'i need healing for my protection monk with protection attribute' is similiar like 'i need damage with my protection attribute'...

creelie · Mar 11, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52

/notsigned

Honestly? If I were reading the skill description for the first time, and didn't know the attribute, I would have pegged it as Healing. But I'm very happy it's not.