Curse

lilleville · Oct 02, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Knight Othin Of War

i really prefered NWN where you had morphing spells where you could morph into dragons and other creatures, such as trolls, undead etc

i personally prefer shadow dragons to the other dragon groups

i wouldn't mind having the ability to be or to be able to morph into a dragon.

cool idea. very nice one

freekedoutfish · Oct 03, 2006, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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This concept if for Playable Dragons which are moderate size, which wouldn't take up any more room then perhaps 2 characters, primarily in look, with the wings span and such, but if anyone here read, it also has flight capabilities, which cause the least amount of character blocking period.

Has anyone considered the simply fact that Dragons wouldnt fit inside towns and cities?

Once playable characters start too get big, it will just be funny and annoying to see them all trying to fit into the countless tiny villages or towns throughout GWs.

Imagine having 5 "moderate" sized dragons trying to move about inside The Warcamp. Imagine those towns which have stairs or bridges or multiple levels. Imagine trying to get access to storage when you have 5 dragons stood around it.

They couldnt use the "traditional" shaped dragon because it simply wouldnt fit and would clog up locations. They might not fit out through portals.

If they introduced a dragon species to play as, they would have to be humanised. But I expect that defeats the idea which the OP had. I expect the OP wants large winged, long creatures. Not humanised Dragons.

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new playable character

Is exactly the same thing as a new class.

You only have playerable characters, non-playerable classes (NPC), henches and Heroes (now).

If your suggesting it be a hench or a hereo, then ok thats a bit more reasonable and sensible.

But then you still have the issue of space and fitting a dragon hench inside a city or a town. Some of which are still too small for a moderate sized hench like a dragon.

You also have the issue of fighting along side a dragon as a hench or Heroe....

...if its too big, then every time it moves in to strike, all your characters will mingle and you wont be able to see anything while the Dragon lays into the bad guy.

You can see evidence of that in Factions when you get attacked by chinese dragons or the weird Dragons after the Temple. If they get too close, they just obstruct the view.

freekedoutfish · Oct 03, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

If you haven't seen a dragon beyond the bone Dragon in Chapter one then you obviously don't look very hard nor know much about the game, protesting my perspective wile proving your ignorance is quite unproductive to your cause.

Just to make a point...

...Bone dragons.
...Glint.
...The chinese style friendly Dragon who you meet at the end of Factions (forgot name).
...The chinese style dragons who you fight once you reach the jade sea.
...The weird, evil dragons which Shiro controls after the temple.
...The pet dragons you can capture.

Only two of which are intrigril to the story line, because you have to fight them, they tell you where to go next in the story and you get a monster skill from one to kill Shiro.

Thats the extent of their involvement.

The others are either just creatures to kill or a pet.

So its hardly right to be calling people morons, just because they dont get their thrills from Dragons like yourself. Not everyone pays indepth attention to "Ooo another Dragon".

BahamutKaiser · Oct 06, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

How nice of you to take the time to make undeveloped responses, out of context, and BTW, there is unlimited edit time, double posting isn't appropriate or sanctioned. Good of you to join the community

I pointed out that persons ignorance because he said there are no dragons beyond the bone dragons in Kryta, and that they were a long dead race. Really, anyone who hasn't bothered to play through or study the game has no place making speculations about what does and doesn't belong, since they don't know enough to comment. The point I defended is that Dragons are in GW already, and there where not only living Dragons in Tyria, but there were future offspring, readily noticable when you meet glint for the first time. A PERFECT set up for future involvement with dragons.

Crowding is a very weak difficulty, truely, there are not enough people to make a decent party in current chapters for most areas, the only place you see alot of people is in bonified cities, and retro chapters get even less action, crowding is an extreme mute point, on top of which preperation can be made in the event of such addition. As you might know, there are multiple storage agents in populated areas to make more room for players to access NPCs in town, furthermore, better access can be invented to avoid this problem altogether, this has next to nothing to do with whether dragons are an enjoyable or acceptable character option, only pointless and easily remedied difficulties.

The size I had in mind is about the size of a Wallow, maybe a slight bit bigger, smaller than something like a Yak. Size and blocking is a useful tactic to add to the game, as even Warriors "tank" possition really only helps them survive, and makes them key units to send in first. A character class which causes extra blocking is in a possition to provide better defense via blocking to his allies. But if I didn't make it clear enough, the option to fly over other characters allows Dragons to remove character blocking from the equation, in their favor of course.

I never said there was no way to "humanize" dragons either, I said that anything short of a Dragon is weak, and going for second and third attractions is a mistake. I already mentioned that a good way to make Dragons more functional in town is to have Human counterparts, or avatars which roam about wile they are in town. Note Glints "projection" in Droknars forge, Dragons could make an astral image to help them navigate peaceful areas.

People brought up the idea that it would be easier to have a human which turned into a dragon when they left town, well that comes second to a dragon who can turn into a human to enter town, working up to dragon is never as good as working down from it, being the dragon is impressive because you actually are a dragon, not a human imitating one. And to update that issue, Dervish can turn into avatars of the Gods, Why would someone practice the art of turning into something less than the most powerful beings in exsistance? Imitating a dragon comes second to imitating a god, but being a dragon is just as good.

And obviously you are another brief skimmer and don't bother to even capture the founding plot of the idea, a Dragon "Character" is different than other Profession based classes because it cannot combine with other Professions for alternate capabilities, the basis of this idea is introducing creatures as playable characters, which arn't just different looking humanoids with the same pool of classes to draw from, but unique Creature classes which have Singular class attributes and functions, without the combination of other profession based classes at their disposal, Dragon was just my primary aim for this idea, good of you to recognize it.

Thank you for restating all of the above with nothing new to add to the conversation except that there are even more lazy, and brief (and likely less capable than I will bother to describe) People out there to prejudge an idea, instead of taking the time to consider the idea or learn what has been developed from the begining and thus far.

P.S. closer inspection will show that many of the people who think the idea doesn't even work still like dragons and think it would be cool, they just don't think it will work, I am not the only person who has an interest in the most impressive creature in fantasy....

freekedoutfish · Oct 06, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

The size I had in mind is about the size of a Wallow, maybe a slight bit bigger, smaller than something like a Yak. ...

Well now that you've actually given an exact comparison for size, it makes more sense.

And yes, by designing large towns and cities, you could avoid that problem of size. But if we have too many towns and cities which are on a grand-scale then it in turn cause other issues.

The larger the towns, the fewer we can have.

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

....I never said there was no way to "humanize" dragons either, I said that anything short of a Dragon is weak, and going for second and third attractions is a mistake....

I was actually trying to defend your original idea of 100% dragons, and stating that I didnt think humanised Dragons would fit into the idea.

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

....And obviously you are another brief skimmer and don't bother to even capture the founding plot of the idea.....

What do you expect? Someone makes one tiny comment and you reply by woffling on for half-an-hour. The stuff you say might be valid, but im not going to sit here and read 5 paragraphs worth of text. It gets boring after the first 2.

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

...Thank you for restating all of the above with nothing new to add to the conversation except that there are even more lazy, and brief (and likely less capable than I will bother to describe) People out there to prejudge an idea, instead of taking the time to consider the idea or learn what has been developed from the begining and thus far.....

I actually looked through all the replies to your entry and found that NO one had considered the very simply fact that LARGE or MEDIUM sized dragons, would have issues fitting into towns and cities as henches or playable characters.

So what exactly was I restating?

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

....P.S. closer inspection will show that many of the people who think the idea doesn't even work still like dragons and think it would be cool, they just don't think it will work, I am not the only person who has an interest in the most impressive creature in fantasy....

Yes I actually like the idea.

Yes I think it could work.

I was simply mentioning issues that have to be fixed before hand.

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

How nice of you to take the time to make undeveloped responses, out of context, and BTW, there is unlimited edit time, double posting isn't appropriate or sanctioned. Good of you to join the community

...

You have to learn how to speak to people in a nicer manor, or no one is going to take your opinions seriously. If you continue to reply to every comment, in a degrading manor, with the intent of making others look stupid, then who is going to listen to you?

No one is reading your long-winded comments, because their a combination of intelligence and sheer insult.

If you put an idea accross, you have to be open to criticism.

But again... I do think its a good idea! So there really wasnt any need to be rude.

Link4009 · Oct 09, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Bahamut, u have to stop insulting people and take your own words seriously, you attacked Freeked accusing him of "Skimming" yet from your replies it seems you didn't even read his replys but went into instant attack mode.

I think that Dragons would have to be humanized or be able to cloack themselves as human in towns like in Forgotten Realms.
therefore we don't need 9 large towns, we can have 2 and 15 medium towns and 20 tiny towns.

Although ur idea seems valuable, and yes everyone likes Dragons,
but regardless about everyone liking dragons the problem is that even ones the size of Yaks would add up because everyone will be Dragons

A more likeable thing would be to be able to choose to be a dwarf, charr, minotaur, Forgotten, and the other intelligent races, hell I'd like to play as a Zombie or Yeti.

I Brother Bloood I · Oct 09, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Right now i dont think that dragons would fit in as characters. If ur going to have a dragon it should be large so ur like the other dragons in the game and im not into thinking how the dragons got to be human size with hands and feet O.o. Charr is something i would LOVE to play. IMO charr are the coolest ever and would be easy to make into characters(finding unique skills would be hard though) also tengu and avicara would be a much more better choice than dragons because there seen as allies more than dragons and would also be easier to make into characters. What i havent seen anyone mention but i would think would be the coolest of all is dredge. They seem to be the easiest to give there own skills to and are also seen as allies(sometimes). Dragons just doesnt seem easy to work with easpecially since it would be wierd as a human/dragon.

EDIT - U could be a dragon outcast for being incredibly short =P

BahamutKaiser · Oct 09, 2006, 07:33 AM // 07:33

I guess this is my own fault for removing the link to the original discussion.
http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38674

This has been discussed more elsewhere, I don't remember which forums what was said in. Besides the fact, there are posters on this forum who mentioned size, and it isn't a problem. Players can move through eachother in town, thus it matters very little how big they are anyway.

Now as for the possition of my response, You started your reply with a Supposition, that Dragons "would be to big", "they cannot use traditional dragons", and "they would have to be humanized to fit in town".

When you make false and inaccurate claims you earn a rebuttal, and I feel no pitty for serving it. Your another in a long line of nay sayers who don't bother to consider the possibilities, rather making false claims via a narrow perspective. You can read your first reply again and tell me that isn't what you said........

You come into the thread of perhaps the most developed class writer on this forum, and start making claims against an my idea, and expect vindication, your just crazy. Believe me, I am 100 fold more demanding and scrutinous than any of you want to be, which is why I come up with the most radical and original abilities and functions around the most impressive characters. Your responses are about as valid as a middle schooler entering a medical school and questioning a doctors methods.

Let me correct your post,

"What size should they be?"

"I don't know how large creatures could operate in small towns and cities."

"If they are too big, it might be annoying if these creatures populate small towns."

"Just a few large characters could cause serious blockage, expecailly around certain frequently visited NPCs (Storage Agent)."

"I can't imagine them using traditional dragons, they may be too big."

Do you see the difference? Case and point, these don't exsist, thus the terms, "can't", "will", and "are", do not belong in your response, because it is theoretical. By process of reason and elimination you can come up with some barriers to which would need to be addressed, but assuming that there is no way just because there is an obvious difficulty is the product of a narrow, undeveloped, and often ignorant perspective.

If you don't like the tone of my response, than stop being offensive, I am only returning the tone which you are setting. Just because you realized that I don't like the idea of humans morphing into dragons doesn't mean you paid legitmate respect to the idea or the writer. You actually defended some of the responses on this thread, as if they didn't deserve the response they received.

And since you re-read the "whole post" and misread twice, I will do one of my least favorite tasks, and quote myself so you can recognize.

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Originally Posted by Freakedoutfish

Has anyone considered the simply fact that Dragons wouldnt fit inside towns and cities?

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Originally Posted by OP(paragraph4)

Basically the idea for playing a dragon would be that the species would have its own 4 or 5 attributes, more or less, and not have access to a sub class. This "character" could be balanced well enough to make it a fair addition, it obviously wouldn't be a large dragon like glint, just because of the space issue and the limited power necessary to make it balanced.

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Originally Posted by OP(paragraph10)

As for body types, you can't very well have very large dragons running around, and since they can't change out armor types the build selection would range from different kinds of dragons, from wyverns (2 wing with arm capabilities, 2 leg dragon, like reign of fire), western dragons of a few types (2 arms and 2 legs as well as wings, or 4 legs and wings), and maybe even eastern dragons (serpent dragons with arms, like in spirited away).

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Originally Posted by Freakedoutfish

Is exactly the same thing as a new class.

You only have playerable characters, non-playerable classes (NPC), henches and Heroes (now).

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Originally Posted by OP(paragraph3)

Because a Dragon can't function as many of the jobs in the game, And because the simple use of a Dragon, or other creature of like magnitude, is a lot more potent, at least in feeling, I think a character like this should be limited to unique attributes which are available to that species, and either be harshly limited, or not be able to access a sub class, and cannot be subbed by normal characters.

As you can see, by even the 4th paragraph, your first 2 issues where addressed, even if I didn't get particular about the need for a reasonable size at that time, or even in this forum. So when you tell me "I read the thread" and "You are being critical", what I hear is "I am a lazy liar", and "Your idea is to complicated for me".

Feel free to practice your right to make completely invalid comments, I will feel even more welcome to correct you. Or, if you have even a slight morsel of maturity, you can admit your repeated mistake, and reconsider the idea in a proper light. I for one, will always meet these kinds of responses with searing rebuke, because I feel it is an extremely lacking ingredient in modern discussion, which is why people believe that whatever crosses their mind is a valid and justifiable point, and they can argue it even if they have absolutely no perspective or relavance.

Thank you....again, for your "contribution".

P.S. You got this response because there was a chance you might learn something, not because my idea needed proving, I, as usual, covered 95% of anyones concern in the OP to begin with, and almost never get the opportunity to discuss relavent points because the vast majority of responses go straight into topics I have already mentioned or refined.

Edit. Just had to point out one more supposition.

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Originally Posted by Freakedoutfish

So its hardly right to be calling people morons, just because they dont get their thrills from Dragons like yourself. Not everyone pays indepth attention to "Ooo another Dragon".

And than you return saying that even you like dragons, I'm glad you can point out issues which where already mentioned from the start, as if you were contributing. Obviously, the first statement you should make in a response to an idea is whether or not you like it, not in retorspect after being hammered. This is all the correction your going to get, make another mindless claim and I will just ignore you, and find valid topics to discuss with people who can develope logical and relavent opinions. Another?, this was the first Dragon character idea on any GW threads, correct me if I missed one in another language, and it is the only one which discusses Dragon characters rather than some sort of second rate morph.

freekedoutfish · Oct 09, 2006, 08:56 AM // 08:56

You really cant handle criticism can you?

Its so blatenly obvious this has nothing to do with whether we agree with your idea about dragons or not.

Your just out to try and belittle people.

Your legitimising your insulting tone towards me and others, because we apparently start our replies in an insulting manor.

"If you don't like the tone of my response, than stop being offensive, I am only returning the tone which you are setting. "

Thats rubbish.

I never once, in any of my posts, said anything insulting. This is compared to you, who resorts to comments such as:

"I can't remember the last time I got a response from someone who could read a developed concept instead of making inaccurate protests"

"protesting my perspective wile proving your ignorance is quite unproductive to your cause"

"Where you get your analogies I wouldn't know, that's probably why I don't come up with broken analogies like you"

"But thank you for the bump, which is the only thing you accomplished"

"we might as well quote the entire thread to save every ignorant player from repeating their falisy"

"just because your mind can't grasp or accept radical suggestion doesn't make it unviable"

"As usual everyone who denies my idea proves they are simply to lazy or lacking to understand or respect my idea anyway, and can't recognize enough to have any real imput anyways"

"Again, I apologize that you and many others are not perceptive enough to read a OP and respond accordingly"

"but your immaturity just put that all out the door, think whatever you like, you really are the moron you assumed to be"

Replies to me which were completely unfounded, as I made no insults to you and I was actually rather polite...

"How nice of you to take the time to make undeveloped responses"

"And obviously you are another brief skimmer and don't bother to even capture the founding plot of the idea"

"Thank you for restating all of the above with nothing new to add to the conversation except that there are even more lazy, and brief (and likely less capable than I will bother to describe) People out there to prejudge an idea, instead of taking the time to consider the idea or learn what has been developed from the begining and thus far."

"Your another in a long line of nay sayers "

"your just crazy"

"Your responses are about as valid as a middle schooler entering a medical school and questioning a doctors methods"

"if you have even a slight morsel of maturity"

You cant even take a compliment, or accept it when someone agrees with you.

"And than you return saying that even you like dragons, I'm glad you can point out issues which where already mentioned from the start"

You dont care about us accepting your idea.

You just want to throw big words around and write page long entries to look better then everyone else.

Why should anyone take your opinions seriously, or even listen when your unable to speak to them with respect? Most people who will have read this entire thread will have lost interest in your idea long ago, because your quite simply wont accept any discussion about it. You wont accept criticism. You wont discuss it.

Why did you bother posting an entry, if you wont let people pick at the idea?

"If a few of you could help rather than flame, we could work together on some more detailed ideas for these creatures, and others if you have a good idea."

"This should never have developed into a flame"

Flaming is all you do. Its all your capable of, other then throwing big words around and spouting off for half-an-hour.

Again. This has nothing to do with your "idea". Its all about you wanting to boost your ego.

I liked your idea. I like the idea of dragons.

But I dont accept your idea and your views, quite simply because your aggressive and unwilling to discuss the actual idea.

I have no respect for your views.

Had you talked to people in here with respect and manors, then I wouldnt take that view.

But I cant stand being spoken to like a child, by a child.

Had I actually spoken to you with insults and assaulted you with words, then you would have been more then welcome to attack me back.

But I didnt. I put an idea down, which you didnt like, and you flamed.

You obviously like feeling superiour. Good for you. But your not going to get any respect handling people the way you do.

Ive no doubt you dont care and you will write a 10 page long attack to "defend yourself" and "back you ideas up" and "legitimise the way you spoke to people".

Go ahead. Ive lost interest. Any reply you do get will probably be me saying

"youve just proven my entire point".

NOTE:

And dont bother trying to use my bad gramma or spelling as fodder for flaming me back.

BahamutKaiser · Oct 09, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I don't have to defend anything, as I said before, my idea was sound from the day I conceived it. You obviously don't have the dignity to recognize your flaw, and instead of admitting your insult, which has nothing to do with how you feel about it, you just point out my rebuttal. I'll make this clear one last time, I don't say anything scathing or insulting to anyone who actually addressed the idea respectfully and asked me how it would work if they don't understand, you got exactly what you deserve.

You are too inadiquit to put half the effort of reading the idea rather than responding, and you think it is alright that you spend 10 times longer making inaccurate claims rather than studying the concept to begin with. A product of human liberalism and ignorance, and beyond correction, Ignored.

Manfred · Oct 09, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

I think there's some megalomania thrown in with the need for superiority though insulting others.

After all, his idea was sound from the idea from the day he first concieved it.

And Bahamut... you are the most damning responder to charges of flaming that I've seen in a while. Congratulations for running head-on into the brick wall that is irony.

Stemnin · Oct 09, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Seto Kaiba's Blue Eyes meets Spyro the Dragon sometime in Guild Wars Lore, sometime around 2000 BE (Before Exodus).

This seems to just be a flame war now (pun intended).

Until I see a dragon NPC in Guild Wars the size of a human/dwarf/tengu, I don't think this idea would.. fly.

natuxatu · Oct 09, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

All I have to say is I like the fact that there is only humans. It sets it appart from all the others. Instead of making more armor for other races or making armor more generic I rather they have more choices of human armor.

lyra_song · Oct 10, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by Manfred

I think there's some megalomania thrown in with the need for superiority though insulting others.

After all, his idea was sound from the idea from the day he first concieved it.

And Bahamut... you are the most damning responder to charges of flaming that I've seen in a while. Congratulations for running head-on into the brick wall that is irony.

QFT ^_^

freekedoutfish · Oct 10, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14

Ok so im going to respond. Purely because im high on tea.

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

You obviously don't have the dignity to recognize your flaw, and instead of admitting your insult, which has nothing to do with how you feel about it, you just point out my rebuttal.

At what point have I, or did I, ever use any derogatory words or terms towards you, your person, your intelligence, or your idea?

You'l find the answer is never, but if im wrong, I want a quote.

But not a quote where you consider my "language" as simply negative. I want a quote where I have actually used a derogatory term or word to insult you and/or your idea.

Then you can justify flaming me. Otherwise your agruement is void.

But yes I criticised the idea, and pointed out what I considered to be an issue. But that is the purpose of posting an idea on a forum, to have it picked at and questioned.

The purpose is not to post an idea and then chop down anyone who dares criticise it.

If that is all you intended to do, then why post your idea at all?

Its just more evidence that all you intended to do, was give people an excuse to question you, so you could attack them.

The fact that you excuse flaming others, by saying its because you consider their criticisms stupid, bad, or unjustified, is quite frankly pathetic.

I now have the image of teenagers standing on street corners, shouting abuse at people as they walk by, trying to get a reaction so they can attack them and then say "well they started it".

Is that really the impression you want to give to people about your character?

Do you really want people to think they cant criticise your idea, in fear of being flamed.

Your obviously not stupid, and you obviously like writing huge posts and using big words and all the rest. You seem very literate.

So why attack people and then lower yourself to a point, where people are going to fear trying to to have a discussion with you?

I must have said about 3 or 4 times now. I actually liked the idea.

As I have also already said. Had you not felt the need to flame people and resort to insults and attacking anyone who criticised the idea, then I would have listened to your opinion.

But as another poster said. Youve run yourself into a brig-wall by insulting everyone.

No one is going to listen to you or your ideas, if all you do is knock-them-down when they question it.

If this post has turned into nothing more then a flaming match, its no-ones fault but your own. You cant expect to throw insults around and not have someone eventually snap at you.

Link4009 · Oct 11, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Look its not a matter of whos wrong whos right Bahumut, the facts are: Dragons are too big, they won't fit in towns, and they have an unfair blocking advantage. it doesn't matter if they are the size of yaks like u said, they'd still be twice as big as a warrior. and its unfair.

Cunning · Oct 11, 2006, 12:49 PM // 12:49

Stop feeding the Troll.

This accomplishes NOTHING.

BahamutKaiser · Oct 12, 2006, 02:53 AM // 02:53

I run head on into those walls alright, just to prove that they are imaginary. There arn't any legitimate problems. Blocking better isn't broken, it is another gameplay tool, anyone who isn't interested in anything new doesn't have anything to benifit from new chapters, so I'm not concerned about those who think things are bound to the way they currently are, they are the same people who thought new classes couldn't be balanced just because they wern't currently available in prophecies.

Heaven forbid that blocking was so effective that Deaths Charge and Dark Prison actually become valuable skills, counters are already available.

There are alot of creatures already in the game which have greater blocking, Yaks, Turtles, Drakes and Tree creatures of 2 types, I am introducing it in a playable form. There are already dragons in GW lore, making adolecent dragons a playable character isn't adding something new to the folklore, it just makes them playable. Whether this is accepted, or something else, change will happen, and pretending it can't is just ignorance, I have no sympathy for those who can't understand that.

P.S. your the one trolling my idea Cunning, not the other way around. Trolling is when Freekedoutfish comes spams incoherent and ignorant responses on a working idea without bothering to capture the fundimental functionality I have already developed.

freekedoutfish · Oct 12, 2006, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

I run head on into those walls alright, just to prove that they are imaginary. There arn't any legitimate problems. Blocking better isn't broken, it is another gameplay tool, anyone who isn't interested in anything new doesn't have anything to benifit from new chapters, so I'm not concerned about those who think things are bound to the way they currently are, they are the same people who thought new classes couldn't be balanced just because they wern't currently available in prophecies.

Heaven forbid that blocking was so effective that Deaths Charge and Dark Prison actually become valuable skills, counters are already available.

There are alot of creatures already in the game which have greater blocking, Yaks, Turtles, Drakes and Tree creatures of 2 types, I am introducing it in a playable form. There are already dragons in GW lore, making adolecent dragons a playable character isn't adding something new to the folklore, it just makes them playable. Whether this is accepted, or something else, change will happen, and pretending it can't is just ignorance, I have no sympathy for those who can't understand that.

P.S. your the one trolling my idea Cunning, not the other way around. Trolling is when Freekedoutfish comes spams incoherent and ignorant responses on a working idea without bothering to capture the fundimental functionality I have already developed.

Do you have selective reading?

I dont know how many times I must have said this by now. Your idea is good!

Do you get that? I like your idea!

But im still well within my rights, as if everyone else, to point out issues which we believe might be important. Hence a discussion! Not just you posting an idea and flaming anyone who disagrees.

I also tried to defend your original idea of keeping the character Dragon shaped, as apose to humanoid when I was talking about size issues. I mentioned how you probably wouldnt like the idea. I defended your original idea.

I also later mentioned, after you gave a size to compare to, that a Dragon the size of a non-human hench like those you see in Factions, would be more realistic and do-able.

I was willing to go back on my issues about size after that.

Yet you still keep resorting to using words like "incoherent" and "ignorant" despite the "liking your idea" and trying to defend it.

Has anyone in here actually said your idea was bad?
Have they utterly flamed you for suggesting Dragons?

If so, then yes they deserve agro.

If not, and they liked the idea, but simply offered criticism, then they dont deserve agro.

Your loosing your agruement with these constant insults you throw at everyone.

What kind of responces do you want?

Either we completely disagree with you, and flame your idea and point out problems and you give us grief.

Or we say we like the idea, but point out problems and you still give us grief.

The only options we're left with is to either kiss your hiney and say we love your idea and it should be implemented this second.

Or we dont reply at all, because we're all sick of even trying to have a debate with you and your ego.

I cant really see the kissing Hiney one being used.

At the end of the day, its your choice as to how you responce to critcism about your ideas.

If you want to throw big words around, and derogatory terms and write page long essays pointing out peoples ignorance and stupidy....

...then go ahead. Most of the essays youve wrote as just re-itterating points you made ages ago.

But as I also said before.

Your not stupid, so tell me what you honestly think insults achieves as part of a discussion? Does it fuel the debate and incourage ideas to develop and grow? Does it incourage people to maintain a rational mind and stay on track?

Or does it just incourage people to become angry and aggressive and resentfull?

But again, its your choice. I can't see you changing the way you speak to people. Ive tried to give advice, to help, but I doubt you'l take it.

Soul of the Scythe · Mar 01, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

2 hours later....
Now that was an interesting read...
Kind of an old thread, but interesting nonetheless.

Apparently pretty much anyone who ever responded to this thread is unintelligent, narrwominded, and lacks "foresight", at least according to Kaiser. I don't understand how you can legitimately suggest a Dragon as a playable character. I agree that adding races would be great, and who knows, maybe its something Anet will do so someday. But the day a Dragon is added as a playable character, is the day the game(or any game) goes to hell. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for mixing things up but you gotta start small, add the Dwarves and the Tengu, maybe even Centaur. The Charr and the Mursaat wouldn't really work because they are your enemies. Sure you have enemy factions of Dwarves, Centaur, and Tengu, but you also have good factions of them.

Dragons would be fun too play no doubt, they would just ruin Guild Wars. And don't give me that crap of I don't have any foresight. You think you have any foresight? You suggested a DRAGON! You think that adding a Dragon means you have foresight?? You really think your the first person to have this wonderful, fantastic idea to have Dragon as a playable character in a game?? It's been thought of before.(probably for just about every game out there. At one point or another, someone said, "Wouldn't it be cool if you could be a DRAGON in [Insert ANY game name here]?", you were just the first idiot to actually suggest it in an open forum.). It's just that everyone realized something about them: they would, in fact, ruin any game! (Don't worry, you will come around soon enough.)

Dragons are and always will be end-game bosses or NPC's that give you important revelations, it's just what Dragons are meant to do in games. They are considered to be ancient elusive creatures that only appear when provoked or under certain circumstances(planets aligning, princesses locked in towers, you know). They guard hidden treasures and what-not, and are very wise as they have lived through millenia. They are not meant to be playable. That's whats great about Dragons, EVERYONE wants to play them(you'd be lieing if you said no), but they aren't meant to be played. End of Story.

Bump this baby back up to the top...