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Randomway Ftw · Mar 31, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Gladiator title = Killing hundreds of mending wammos, and firestorm monks over and over again.

Stop being jealous of people who play halls, instead of a 4v4 environment in which the game is not meant to be played in. If halls is the least skilled and easyiest PvP mode why don't prove it and get rank 9 in a day and rank twelve in a week.

Skyy High · Mar 31, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Gladiator title = Killing hundreds of mending wammos, and firestorm monks over and over again.

Stop being jealous of people who play halls, instead of a 4v4 environment in which the game is not meant to be played in. If halls is the least skilled and easyiest PvP mode why don't prove it and get rank 9 in a day and rank twelve in a week.

If I were to follow your line of reasoning, HA is killing hundreds of searing flame eles over and over again...
Except, of course, you can make progress in the title by just killing one team, then dying. Gladiator title, you actually have to keep winning a bit. Not that I disagree with you completely, but I do think rank3 gladiator takes a heck of a lot longer to obtain than rank3 hero. Also, afaik, most people don't get high ranks in gladiator by doing RA, they do TA, which does require at least a modicum of teamwork/skill. No mending wammos there.

I agree that the other PvP modes should get emotes. Champion, even rank1, is more indicative of your pvp skill than rank3 (and probably 6) hero, and yet no emote. For those saying that an emote will draw a bunch of noobs to gvg, 1) if they're noobs and you're good, you won't have to play them anyway, and 2) if they're noobs, there's no chance of them playing a high enough ranked game to get champion points, so no hope of a title for them.

Vonturn Runesworth · Mar 31, 2007, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Maybe it's because HA is global, that's probably why they give emotes to the fame titles.

Not A Fifty Five · Mar 31, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

meh. the reason they give emotes for HA and not TA/RA is simply because gladiator didn't come out until after emotes for HA did. If we complain enough, we may get an update

LuckyGiant · Mar 31, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Gladiator title = Killing hundreds of mending wammos, and firestorm monks over and over again.

Stop being jealous of people who play halls, instead of a 4v4 environment in which the game is not meant to be played in. If halls is the least skilled and easyiest PvP mode why don't prove it and get rank 9 in a day and rank twelve in a week.

Umm thats no line of reasoning and as the poster below you said high level glads do it in TA, if you're a group of skilled players you will go far in TA if not you won't, same as HA only you get nothing for making 9 in TA ^^

We have some amazingly skilled players in our guild and I'm sure this is the same with other TA guilds not to mention GVG guilds!
People choose which form of pvp they like the best and it's unfair that only HA gets recognition in the form of an emote. I'm sure there are huge amounts of very skilled players which are in the same situation.

Choad · Mar 31, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

The truth is titles mean little about skill in PVP, there are plenty of high-ranked nubs; titles really represent an investment of time more than anything. Some people get better with experience while others play poorly no matter how many faction points and other accolades they have accumulated.

As someone pointed out, the fame emote predates titles altogether, fame was the former barometer of time-investment and probably would never have existed if the faction system had been conceived first. It could be argued that since it came before, and persists as a sort of legacy, that the "specialness" of having emotes tied to it should just remain unique. However, because fame is now linked with the title system, PVP in HA seems unfairly glorified over other arenas since it is rewarded with a title and an emote.

Because of this, I think it's reasonable to implement emotes for the other title tracks. The question is where to draw the line, should AB and Hero Battles get emotes too? How about Tyrian Explorer? Clearly it could get out of hand. I think emotes could be justifiably restricted to PVP titles, since they are much more difficult to obtain. Also, AB and Hero Battles aren't "core" arenas in the sense of RA/TA, HA and GVG, so I don't think it would be grossly inequitable to omit them.

Adding Gladiator and Champion emotes would satisfy a lot of people, generate more interest in PVP, and make the reward system somewhat more balanced.

Skuld · Apr 01, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by Choad

generate more interest in PVP

Yeh, more grinders interested only in flashy emotes, this is a good thing?

You Know Shoe · Apr 01, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Gladiator title = Killing hundreds of mending wammos, and firestorm monks over and over again.

See, this is that single Hero in a heavy post of Gladiators that I knew we'd hear from. I even knew what he was going to say before he clicked the [Submit Reply] button.

So, you're speaking of achieving Gladiator through RA, are you? Well considering that half of the time you have the mending wammo and firestorm monk on your team, tell me how you think this is easy? I mean I'm sure you can generally solo your team to 10 conseq because of your amazing skills but put some actual "thought" into a post before you waste your time. =/

Don't try to discriminate against what we're trying to do just because it took you ten months to get your Bambi.

Also instead of saying, "Why don't you go get rank 9 in a day/12 in a week" or w/e nonsense you were trying to prove, do realize that I have no intention of wasting my time in HA. Didn't I already mention, "Why should you be forced to HA if you hate it?" Yes, I think I did somewhere. Also, your infamous post is ironically a reverse reject on what was already said.

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do you even have a valid point in this argument? Are you trying to say that 1 year and 6 months is much easier to reach rank seven?

So do it... Respond when you get it. Talk to you in August 08 with your Rank Seven Glad. Good luck.

/copy
Stop being so original...

As a final note, I'd just like to add: I can totally see why you might think that an official 4v4 arena setup by A.Net is an area of the game not meant to be played in. (Did this statement make absolutely no sense to anybody else?) Anyways, you probably think this because you wonder why your team of 2 SF Eles, 1 BoA Sin, and RC Monk get rolled within the first three TA matches. Of course you'd call it an area not meant to be played in. I've had my share of laughs at Heroes that try to TA as I'm sure everybody else has. The reason why you get rolled is not because it's an Arena not meant to be played in but that it requires a completely different strategy to succeed. So tell me again, what makes you better than us?

The Fox · Apr 01, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Skuld

The main reason people do HA is to grind emotes. TA and GvG don't have big flashy emotes, so they don't atract these kinds of people -- this is a good thing.

Nah, people who "grind emotes" often *hides... suck and just want to stand out in the game, so attacting more of them to RA would give good RA players some good laughs as they learn to RA the hard way.

HUGE SUGGESTION FOR RA!

Don't take the team to the Team Arena UNTIL everyone on the team has reached 10 wins!!!

LuckyGiant · Apr 01, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Lets get the thread back on track.

You either believe glad and champ titles deserve emotes or you don't, no rants about HA.

So sign or don't sign.

Randomway Ftw · Apr 01, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

It probably takes more skill to IWAY your fame then to get glad points. Gladiator title is just like saying, "I rage all groups that don't have a monk, so I'm good at this game."

The only thing halls has left going for it is emotes, if you take that away, you might as well delete it from the game because no one will play it anymore.

You must be incredible bad at this game if it took you ten months to get R3.

You don't need emotes, emotes are a unique reward for winning HA battles, a title is enough for other game modes.

Don't forget as well as champ points, GvG gets you Obs mode, money, and capes. Arenas only get you a title beacuse this game is based on 8v8 not 4v4.

yule · Apr 02, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

It probably takes more skill to IWAY your fame then to get glad points. Gladiator title is just like saying, "I rage all groups that don't have a monk, so I'm good at this game."

Dude, dont smack talk, getting glads takes skill, just as much as HA. Dont be a dork.

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

The only thing halls has left going for it is emotes, if you take that away, you might as well delete it from the game because no one will play it anymore.

Are you saying that because its a stupid system, and that RA/TA are superior? Would implementing emotes for Glads/champs stop you from HAing? I think if you like HA, you HA. If you like RA/TA you RA/TA. And HA still has the advantage of booty, nothing like a 27k sigil or a million dollar sword drop to keep motivation up...

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

You don't need emotes, emotes are a unique reward for winning HA battles, a title is enough for other game modes.

You are right, we dont NEED emotes, we just think that emotes would be a nice recognition for time put into another area of PvP. That fun little bonus that makes gaining ranks that little more interesting. Plus spiking a red deer over some chump that has been smack talking would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Don't forget as well as champ points, GvG gets you Obs mode, money, and capes. Arenas only get you a title beacuse this game is based on 8v8 not 4v4.

HA gets you obs mode, items and your name splashed over every screen in the game, what is your point? If this game is based on 8v8 then why are you against champ emotes? after all HA was 6v6 for a significant period (one in which Koss won a fair bit, OMG WHY WERE YOU CHEAPENING YOURSELVES?!?!?!!)

This in no way cheapens HA, only gives those players that prefer arenas and high level gvg that little bit of bling.

You Know Shoe · Apr 02, 2007, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Cheers to Yule for catching that ridiculous thread before I had a chance to grab ahold of it. Totally agree with every statement made...

I especially would love the opportunity to implement the point of the whole 8v8 idea. Up until WOW, (checks calendar) THIS weekend I recall HA being 6v6? So are you saying that all that time you've wasted was based off a game that is supposed to be played 8v8? Well up until and I'll say again, THIS WEEKEND weren't you doing 6v6 battles? You've done it again man, your attempted excuse as a point makes absolutely no sense and wouldn't have mattered anyways.

This is not a thread to hear Heroes cry about their precious emotes but a chance to implement the emote among different and more skilled types of PvP. So far you're losing and as long as every Gladiator and Champion out there has a chance to respond to this thread, you will continue to lose.

Why respond?

FYI: If this is indeed implemented, the HA arena will still be full of nubs for you to pwn. You might even get your precious rank 15 faster this way as all skilled players will be moving along to TA and GvG. Hey, it's the bright side of life for you.

Turn that frown upside down.

Randomway Ftw · Apr 02, 2007, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by yule

Dude, dont smack talk, getting glads takes skill, just as much as HA. Dont be a dork.

Lol, build wars and random arenas takes skill, lol that's funny.

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Are you saying that because its a stupid system, and that RA/TA are superior? Would implementing emotes for Glads/champs stop you from HAing? I think if you like HA, you HA. If you like RA/TA you RA/TA. And HA still has the advantage of booty, nothing like a 27k sigil or a million dollar sword drop to keep motivation up...

Chest drops are meaningless because most of the time they suck, and many PvP players don't PVE.

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You are right, we dont NEED emotes, we just think that emotes would be a nice recognition for time put into another area of PvP. That fun little bonus that makes gaining ranks that little more interesting. Plus spiking a red deer over some chump that has been smack talking would be cool.

Why don't you just go ahead and get a deer if you really want to, 180 fame is almost nothing.

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HA gets you obs mode, items and your name splashed over every screen in the game, what is your point? If this game is based on 8v8 then why are you against champ emotes? after all HA was 6v6 for a significant period (one in which Koss won a fair bit, OMG WHY WERE YOU CHEAPENING YOURSELVES?!?!?!!)

I'm against champ emotes because emotes are a unique reward for HA

You Know Shoe · Apr 02, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

I haven't mentioned this yet before but think it needs to be brought up with you guys that commented on changing the color codes and what not of the emotes.

Now, I could go into the whole system of which gladiator rank needs to be [insert emote here] but my personal opinion is a little more evolved solely based off of skill. I for one, do not think that we should have the same emote. Especially for the vast fluctuation of skill involving HA and TA teams.

For example, GvGers or TAers, let's say you were trying to form a TA team based off of titles that would guarantee you 10 conseq in "our" house. Considering that most R3 and R4 heroes are a joke, who would you consider more? A Rank 3 Gladiator standing pub or a Rank 3 Hero? A Rank 4 Gladiator or a Rank 4 Hero? It takes so much more skill to reach R3 and R4 Gladiators than it does heroes that the comparison of the two is just ridiculous.

Based off what I've seen I'll throw together a little guide that shows some skill comparisons. Please feel free to comment on this as it all belongs in the same thread, I believe.

R1 Gladiator ---> Rank 3-4 Hero (easily)
R2 Gladiator ---> Rank 4-6 Hero
R3 Gladiator ---> Rank 7-9
R4 Gladiator ---> Rank 9-10
R5 Gladiator ---> Rank 11
R6 Gladiator ---> Rank 12
R7 Gladiator ---> Rank 13-14
R8 Gladiator ---> Rank 15

As pathetic as it looks on the "Heroes" side, I believe this to be an extremely close if not exact comparison based off of "skill."

How many R3 or R4 Heroes have you seen out there that play exactly like R1 Gladiators? That play worse than R1 Gladiators? The model is a stretch for Heroes more than it is for us Glads.

I think that the ranking system should totally be A.Net's opinion. Don't necessarily think that we need to implement our ideas on such as it's probably not going to make a difference. These guys play the game as much as we do and probably understand the "skill" system as much as we do, boys & girls.

Besides, I want to be unique. I want absolutely nothing to do with Heroes or HA. It makes me sick to my stomach.

You Know Shoe · Apr 02, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Why don't you just go ahead and get a deer if you really want to, 180 fame is almost nothing.

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

R3 Glads > R3 Heroes...
God, how I wish the post directly after Randomway's was submitted minutes before he did. I was actually typing the message when he [Posted Reply]. This further proves my point on the rankings system.

It's easier to get R3 Hero than it is R1 Glad obviously because R3 Hero is almost nothing. Gladiator actually takes a little bit of work. GG, Randomway.

yule · Apr 02, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Way to make more pot shots instead of actual arguments...

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Lol, build wars and random arenas takes skill, lol that's funny.

Im guessing with a statement like this you have never actually TAed, there is a lot of skill involved in actually getting a 10 win streak. Build wars could easily apply to HA though, where it is all about the build, very little to do with tactics/skill (and yes, i have played both and do know what im on about...)

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Chest drops are meaningless because most of the time they suck, and many PvP players don't PVE.

Watch obs mode sometime, i think youll find that a lot of pvpers do pve, hence the huge amounts of FoW armour, tormented shields, Mursaat hammers etc. that you see in there. "Pimpin your ride" is something that a lot of pvpers pride themselves on.

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Why don't you just go ahead and get a deer if you really want to, 180 fame is almost nothing.

I have a deer. I still think that glads and champs should have rewards of a similar kind. There is nothing special about HA.

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I'm against champ emotes because emotes are a unique reward for HA

Under the proposed changes, your emote would still be unique. There would just be other unique emotes.

Bryant Again · Apr 02, 2007, 02:18 AM // 02:18

/Unsigned for emotes for Gladiator points.

...But I'd sign for removal of emotes all together. It's only fair, eh?

Lord Delco · Apr 02, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

I dislike HA because it takes too long to find a party or at least a decent party. I stick to RA because you don't need to find a party (save 10 mins) but take the chance of having a non-decent party. Imo it is a lot more difficult to gain glad points than fame (eg countless times I've got 9 wins and lost on 10 or err 7 or went to TA). I think it would be pretty cool to add an emote system to the other pvp areas. The only reason I can think of for not having an emote for other pvp is because I think HA was devolved before gladiator points and symbolized to ur "area" that u were a hero and got favor for them. But now that there's been numerous updates, I think that there should be a little something else for glad and champ titles.

pigdestroyer · Apr 02, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by You Know Shoe

More than agree with that statement.

actually glad points are only matter of luck, they do not show skill level at all