Curse

GODh · Mar 29, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

Well, the idea is to block the possibilty of "repeat former message" for all messages in local chat (town/outposts only!!)... so changing 1 char is not even an option as the old message is not available anymore.

A weakness in this idea may be the ability to use CTRL+V, but it should be very easy to clear the clipboard after doing this once.

This way spammers/abusers are forced to use the trade channel or use the search function instead...

MithranArkanere · Mar 29, 2007, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by tenshi_strife

um no.... no and no

i use the last type message feature not cause im spaming but have you ever had to lfg in HA or try to tell 5 people the same thing, yea no. you know how you stop spam first of all turn off emotes wow what a great idea, and get out of main towns and ha SOLVED. but really if you want people to stop spamming give them a better way to sell items or find groups. i know we have seach but its not sed cause frankly it needs help. but if you take away this feature there willbe other ways to spam.

/notsigned cause this is not the problem

Well... what are those other ways?

Spammers spam becase they can.
When a spammer send a message with mispellings, they do not bother on fixing in in next repeats of the message. Why? Because they are lazy. VERY lazy.

Remove any way to quickly repeat messages and done.

Need to look for a group? Use the search party feature.
Need to sell something? Use the search party feature.

I've been in many games without sent messages cache and Ctrl+V.

There are almost no spamming there, and when someone repeats a message, she repeat it much slowr than in GW.

BlackSephir · Mar 29, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

/signed

even 5 gods hate spammers

Ignore list? Too short... It would need to be at least book of ignores

Tufty · Mar 29, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

The seach party feature seems perfect its just when people dont sell there crappy items or get a group because frankly a cat randomly walking across the keyboard is more usefull than the average PUG (Its a sad truth) they dont believe the system is working. I heard a rumour (shhh) that on American serevers it works quite well but being that Ive used all my transfers up I cant go and have a look.
I mean look at it. You can advertise what you want on there so people can browse happily then discuss it in whispers. The only problem I can see is there is a Hero search part so when it comes for groups for missions I always seem to end up going there

MithranArkanere · Mar 29, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Not just remove the Ctrl+V from all channels, form local and trade should do.

Leaders should take care in Team, Guild and Alliance channels.
For Whispers is the ignore list.

So Local would stay for chatting and Trade for details about transactions, if you remove the Ctrl+V and Chat history just from them.

GODh · Mar 29, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I dont think it is wise to remove CTRL+V from local and trade chat, because i can think of reasons where CTRL+V can be handy (like copy/pasting an url to some info?). Ofcourse you also can whisper such url to someone, but that would be a pain when you want to give more people this url...

The main problem of CTRL+V is that ppl can use it "endlessly", but that can be fixed by clearing the clipboard after 1 use...

tenshi_strife · Mar 29, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

honestly imo this is not the problem, no better system for selling or finding a group is *dont say the search system cause frankly that sucks hard* but if you guys wish to debate this as stoping spamming go ahead but trust me there is no way to stop it, people will find ways around it, you can only slow it down for a bit slightly. really we need a reason for people to not spam IE: a way to sell things and find groups then why spam, its easier not to then.

GODh · Mar 30, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Somehow i sense some fear in your comments

Antheus · Mar 30, 2007, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by tenshi_strife

hpeople will find ways around it, you can only slow it down for a bit slightly. really we need a reason for people to not spam IE:

Unlimited ignore lists.

No way around it, and spammers would soon find themselves spamming only among themselves, with nobody else hearing them. Few would ignore people spamming the trade channel, but those abusing the spatial chat would be quickly gone.

Also, make the ignore lists server side, and you reduce network traffic in big cities by a huge margin.

People selling would still use the trade channel. That one is more forgiving.

Puebert · Mar 30, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

If we had an AH, people would still spam.

There isn't a way to fix spammers anymore, except disabling the scroll up text thingy (OP's suggestion) and probobly Ctrl+V.

Meat Axe · Mar 30, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by GODh

So?? Imo, this is exactly the poor attitute that causes this abuse/spam problem. Why do you have to spam your "LF someone to open the gate and then leave. paying 50g" in locat chat?? You are trying to buy a service, so that should go in the trade channel (yes that works in pre searing too)...

And i dont know if CTRL+V can be disabled (although i do know CTRL+C doesnt work ingame) but anet can empty the clipboard after using CTRL+V...

I never said I spammed it. I actually do wait between each message. Usually till the previous one has faded out. So please don't immediately assume that everyone who doesn't want to type the same message out over and over likes to spam.

The problem isn't with the ability to scroll through previous messages. The problem is with the people who seem to think that more of their messages on the screen means people will pay attention to them more.

MithranArkanere · Mar 30, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

There is a limited amount of lines than can show up.
People usually has the size of the chat window to show 5..15 lines.
But much more than 15 people can enter a district.

So, even if you wait until your message fade, if 10 players do so, you'll message will fade almost at the same time you post it.

Nah... no way, announcing things by local or trading should be prevented, since only quick spamming can be prevented, along with that, another better way should be added.

A good start is allowing a bit longer messages in the Search party panel.

max gladius · Mar 30, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

i know i saw this tread 3-4 days ago... same topic and everything... no idea why the keep starten, they cant easily fix ppl spaming in local channel... otherwise they would have to limit everything ppl type... they turned WTS directly to trade... now u get W2S, W|T|S, SELLING, and so on....

as i recommended before, dont try to fix the problem by limiting chat... build around it... make default districts for all cities dist 2... let all the traders use dist 1.... starting an auction house is a good idea, but still wont fix problem, we r facing 3 continents, 3 different types of items, ppl just want to zone through each continent, spam, then move on.... it would take some real work for anet to setup 1 marketplace where everyone can just post what they r sellen, most sellers have 5-6 items, some more, search can hold 1 item, if they open it up for more text then that will be a very huge window u r looking at....

and even defaulting dist 2 isnt going to fix it all, and i know this, but it will cut down on ppl who accidently land in the buy/sell dist, which is 90% of the time dist 1's...

now, they could easily made Balthazar Temple, or somewhere that all ppl from all continents can reach, and set it up only for trading... then all ppl could go to same location and spam all they want... they could actualy set it up to where there were dif. dist for different types of things... like lable it "dist 1 - swords"... "dist 2 - shields" and so on...

that is the only way i see such things getting fixed... game has been around almost 2 yrs now, they have made some improvements, but not even a lions arch moderator is capable of fixing it... i know, they have told me to use trade chan plenty of times...so i zone to kcenter, or after 5 mins he leaves, its open game....

yes i am a spammer, but how else can i really sell things...

Puebert · Mar 30, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

^ Party search.

GWG Auctions.

GWG Ventati(I think thats how its spelled)

GWO Auctions.

mafia cyborg · Mar 31, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

tenshi of course an ingame trade/auction house like WoWs would be the best solution.....but its clear at this point Anet is not prepared to put in the work it requires to code such thing.....not untill gw2 anyway.
all we can hope is for quick fixes/solutions......and disablein copy and paste in their local chat is the best way.
and of course they can program their chatbox to refuse copy and paste or anything comin from the buffer...even I can do it with basic actionscript for my webpages...for aq programmer is 5 minute job.(and i dont see the need for copy/paste in local chat anyway)

arcanemacabre · Mar 31, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

/signed x1,000,000

I really can't put into words how much I would love this "feature". Remove [Enter, Up Arrow, Enter], and remove any use of [Copy/Paste] in Local and Trade. Hell, I'd even love it if it was just removed from local (let the traders have their spam). Whatever, it's a great solution to a problem. It may not be a life-threatening problem, but no one can deny it's a problem.

I see no problems with this solution, either, since it's only affecting those two channels (or at least just local). Spam all you want in Guild, Alliance, Team and PMs, at least till they ban/kick or ignore you. There is no reason to use [Copy/Paste] and [Enter, Up Arrow, Enter] in Local and Trade, unless you're spamming, or trying to get your message seen through the spam.

The party search feature could use an upgrade along with this "feature", and allow the use of more characters, or just have a link that takes you to a full message. With the link idea, people could put up several items for sale in a list, and it would function almost as good as an Auction House or player shop. If they did these things, I'd guarantee a severe decrease in the amount of chat spam, as well as happier players.

BlackSephir · Mar 31, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

I'd still hit unlimited ignore list... I'd hit it like the fist of angry Balthazar... Probably the best option to get rid of spammers and not so hard to implement

MithranArkanere · Mar 31, 2007, 03:52 PM // 15:52

When it comes to computing, nothing can be unlimited.

But one solution could be 'temporal' bigger ignore lists, and a quicker way to ignore players.

So while you stay in one outpost or change districts, you keep those players ignored, exit to xplorables, and the list is cleared.

The faster way to ignore would help this way to be of any real use.

Skyy High · Mar 31, 2007, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by GODh

So?? Imo, this is exactly the poor attitute that causes this abuse/spam problem. Why do you have to spam your "LF someone to open the gate and then leave. paying 50g" in locat chat?? You are trying to buy a service, so that should go in the trade channel (yes that works in pre searing too)...

And i dont know if CTRL+V can be disabled (although i do know CTRL+C doesnt work ingame) but anet can empty the clipboard after using CTRL+V...

Count how many characters are in that sentence. Then count how many you can fit in the party chat window.

This applies to many things - if I'm selling multiple items, I can only advertise one in party chat, and it can't have too many mods or it won't fit. Therefore, I (and everyone else) must spam in trade districts. I use ctrl-v, mainly because I haven't tried to get used to the other command; you take that away and we'll all get carpal tunnel from the typing...

BlackSephir · Mar 31, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Therefore, I (and everyone else) must spam in trade districts.

In trade districts?! WHAT?! There's no such thing as "trade district" afaik, there is trade channel but (irony much) nobody trades stuff there