Curse

Lord Azhren · Apr 03, 2007, 04:44 AM // 04:44

/signed although I disagree with removing henchies, because not everyone has Nightfall

mazey vorstagg · Apr 03, 2007, 05:14 AM // 05:14

/signed Who wants a human group anyway?

cyberjanet · Apr 03, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Azhren

/signed although I disagree with removing henchies, because not everyone has Nightfall

I think the OP didn't mean to remove henchies from the game, but to have the option of not using them in a party in favour of heroes.

What may be an option though, is the ability to customise henchies to a certain degree. What makes heroes better than henchies is the fact you can buy them runes and insignia and give them great builds.

However, heroes are full-time employees, whereas henchies are still outsource. So perhaps the customisation could be limited to skills/build customisation to suit your particular need.

I originally thought that this would be harder for people without heroes who haven't had the experience in customising for AI; but then I decided they would do what we all did and adjust their own builds or a friend's build to suit.

Not A Fifty Five · Apr 03, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

/compromise

Newest game hero limit 3

older game hero limit 7

The Ernada · Apr 04, 2007, 09:00 AM // 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

/compromise

Newest game hero limit 3

older game hero limit 7

There's already a compromise in place. People who want to PUG can STILL PUG. People who dont PUG won't PUG with you anyway. I really dont understand why people want to dictate how others play so much....

Not A Fifty Five · Apr 04, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ernada

There's already a compromise in place. People who want to PUG can STILL PUG. People who dont PUG won't PUG with you anyway. I really dont understand why people want to dictate how others play so much....

Its a matter of expectations. GW is supposed to be a game where newbies can expec to be able to jump in with other players and join in. When 50+% of the game will not be newbies (idiocy is a permanent condition in most casesI'm afraid tho) in GW:EN nobody would want to pug with the people who spam flare on backfire when they're just learning how to play. That means it'll be harder and harder for new players to find a pug.

But there is 0 reason for having only 3 heros in older parts of the game.

Lubek · Apr 04, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

Hmm, that would be great to finally be able to do FoW alone, so since it seems they are not going to allow henchies inside elite areas...

/signed

Not A Fifty Five · Apr 04, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

actually I still don't think you will.. heroes don't ascend do they? Certainly not through the ghostly, but i wonder if they do through weh no su...

Lubek · Apr 04, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

During free FoW/UW weekend, i took only my 3 heroes (cuz Champion said that henchies are not ascended

) into FoW and (to my surprise) wiped out quite a number of mobs (until some partol found Rastigen), so: 1) yes, heroes are "ascended" 2) imagine, what could be achieved with 7 well built heroes

Lorir · Apr 04, 2007, 11:19 AM // 11:19

/signed

I only play with 3 heros and hench anyway (unless a guildy/freind asks for help). Would just be nicer to play with all heros so i can customise, and would love to try doing the elite areas with heros since it would probably be beter than pugs anyway.

MithranArkanere · Apr 04, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Heroes can become Weh no Suh, Cleanse the Light Temple and you don't know if they Ascend in Crystal Desert, since they can enter the three tests, and you can't go with them in the trial. Since you can't be with them 24/7 (you are only with 3 at the same time) they can actually be Ascended.
You could say also that they can enter FoW... but the Ascalon heroes (Mhenly, Cynn and the others) are ascended and infused too but they can't get in...

Hm...

tyche7 · Apr 19, 2007, 03:47 PM // 15:47

/signed 1,000 times over!!

We should have the OPTION to have an all hero party.

Even with that option - and even though I'd LOVE that -- I'd still PUG most of the time (more than not).

Thibor · Apr 19, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

/signed. I love PUGS but I'm sooooo tired of spamming LFG for 30mins.

Navaros · Apr 19, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

There is absolutely no good reason to not allow all Hero parties. Those who do not wanna let horrible PUG players leech off of them are not gonna take them into the party because of the 3 Hero limit anyhow . Rather, they will just fill the rest of the party out with Henchmen.

Therefore, all the 3 Hero limit actually accomplishes is needlessly frustrating players by forcing them to use sub-par Henchmen (who are still way better than the average PUG player hence would still always be chosen over the PUG player) instead of Heroes that they've earned and should be able to use whenever they want.

/signed

mazey vorstagg · Apr 19, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

/signed All for it, I want to have all heroes instead of having to use henchies who might to too low for what I want to do. Defend Denravi for example

Bryant Again · Apr 19, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Looks like a thread res people can't complain about. With all the changes that have happened - and especially, with hard mode on the way - it'll be interesting to see if anyone has changed their opinion.

Unkemptwolf · Apr 19, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

/signed

I like the idea of 7 in older chapters, 3 in newest chapter. It encourages teamwork in the newer chapters where people are easy to come by, while making th older chapters doable even if there is no one else around.

I have to agree that those who don't PUG aren't going to, regardless of what the limit is.

Dubby · Apr 20, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

sometimes pugs are good.

most of the time, they're not.

/signed

mips · Apr 20, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35

/not signed

but how about changing it the other way so that everyone can only bring 1 hero? :-)

(and you're right, I don't like the hero's)

Mr_Cynical · Apr 20, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

/signed

Of course, if they actually gave henchmen decent builds (even the hard mode ones suck) then we wouldn't need this as much as we do. Besides which, as time goes on GW's player population is only going to dwindle which will mean that in a lot of places Heroes/hench will be the ONLY way to get a party.