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Winterclaw · Apr 20, 2007, 05:24 AM // 05:24

With the addition of tomes, we now have a new way to unlock things... however the only way to trade them right now is via trade spam. It would be nice if there were a trader that can handle them for at least the elite tomes. Non elite ones would be okay to trader, but the price needs to be reasonable (less than 1k).

Faer · Apr 20, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

I disagree, on the grounds that convenience should come with a higher price. Tomes have made it possible to obtain amazing skill bars before ever leaving Ascalon City, without using a single skill point, and people should have to pay for that level of convenience.

For once, I believe the price of something should be regulated directly by the players, not by the stock level of an NPC (somewhat like weapons).

Master Ketsu · Apr 20, 2007, 06:20 AM // 06:20

/signed

No reason to force players to endlessly grind just for one elite. Lower then Lv20 PvE being possibly unbalanced by low level characters with an elite skill is hardly a good enough reason to make everyone else suffer having to grind in order to obtain the rediculously high price the economy will put on these items ( especially now that solo farming nerf means they will only be obtainable by random people by totall luck )

Not everyone has no life. I refuse to farm endless hours. Tis a reason I play guild wars instead of WoW/PSO/Rag/Evercrak/.

Perynne · Apr 20, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

/notsigned

You still have the chance to either grind for the tome, or just go and get it from the boss itself once you've gotten that far. I'm with Faer on this one, this is too convenient to make it easier to get.

VinnyRidira · Apr 20, 2007, 07:28 AM // 07:28

/signed

The tomes only allow you to learn skills you already have unlocked on you account. Trading in them is only natural, have the market determine the price of them. Why have to become part of spam trading? I reckon the now demoted Scrolls Trader should be the trader.

G_MAGNUS · Apr 20, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02

I doubt that either one would end up selling for less than 1k. At the present you can buy any unlocked non elite skill for 1pt & 1k at the end stage towns. So just for this simple tome, the price would be higher for those wanting those same skills at an early point in the game. As for the elites, well they too go for 1k for the sig, but now you're saving yourself some time, specially if you want to buy off an elite from one of those time consuming bosses that might and yet might not spawn at the end of a mission (Ring of Fire for example). So like Faer, I think that people are paying for the convenience here, and the price should reflect it.

Unkemptwolf · Apr 20, 2007, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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I don't really think the price will be an issue to begin with, as the market will certainly keep these close to 100k. I do agree there should be a reasonable lower limit (5k maybe? 10k?) on what the lowest price these will sell for is, although I doubt you will ever find either tome to be cheap, even without artificial restrictions.

bilateralrope · Apr 20, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Perynne

/notsigned

You still have the chance to either grind for the tome, or just go and get it from the boss itself once you've gotten that far. I'm with Faer on this one, this is too convenient to make it easier to get.

But you can still get them through trade spam now. But this means putting up with trade spam if your buying or selling. If you want people to grind for the tomes themselves, go post a thread asking the tomes to be made untradable.

But since they are currently tradeable, why should we be forced to use trade spam when ANET already has a better system for trading them ?

/signed

Not to say that the traders are perfect, but the do keep the price range stable while allowing people to quickly buy/tomes as they want/acquire them. But the main advantage of wanting a tome trader is that ANET can easily implement them for the tomes.

MithranArkanere · Apr 21, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

This is what I think:
* Every single upgrade and stackable drop should have a trader, but trophies (collertor items). That is, Runes, Sigils, Inscriptions, Insignia, Weapon and Offhand Upgrades, Scrolls, Tomes, Dyes, Materials and Rare Materials.

Why to?
* Traders are a reference. You'll never get to scam somebody to make him pay you 5k for an steel ingot, becuase they can always check the trader.
But you can still trade and sell that stuff regardless if they have a trader or not.
-You can still buy ectos in the Temples of the Five gods, most of the time cheaper than in the Trader.
* Traders mean limit in prices. And I will always agree with that for anything but skins, minipets and other 'commodities' that do not really affect gameplay.
- But getting a skill sooner or later does affect gameplay.

* You still need to unlock the skill.
- If you have unlocked them all by PvP, you have the right to get them asier.
- If you have unlocked them by capturing and buying with another characters, you have the right to get them asier.
- If you have paid 35€ for the PvP unlock, you have the right to get them easier.

* Traders save some spam. Every single character byte of spam less will be always welcomed.

And you'll see that getting an elite tome sold for 10k in a a trader would be really great, XD.

Helcaraxe · Apr 21, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

/signed

I was thinking of this earlier today... they could just add a tab to the rune trader as well.

onerabbit · Apr 21, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

/signed, hate trying to sell this type of stuff.. wait for a week and there be unwanted, alrdy stacking up taking storage space

Eldin · Apr 21, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

/notsigned

We don't need lvl 5s running around with elites (well, we'll still get that, but quite a few aren't smart enough to figure out how to buy them from other players). Convenience, as posted above, comes with a price. The price of having to work for it. Fighting a bunch of buffed enemies is equal to that of capping in normal mode. I see no problems with it.

Plus, with any luck, elite tomes may be of some money gain. >

bilateralrope · Apr 21, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Faer

For once, I believe the price of something should be regulated directly by the players, not by the stock level of an NPC (somewhat like weapons).

What is so good about player controlled prices ?

The market price for any item is the price at which you have the same number of buyers and sellers of that item. If the price is too high you have too many sellers, too low and you have too many buyers.

Now the traders do adjust their prices to bring their price towards the market value, but the players don't do it as well because they don't have anywhere near as much information as the traders do. Then add to that people who are holding out for a better price which might not come, and then the players will take much longer to reach the market price.

Then we come to the problem of the buyers and sellers finding each other. By having the trader act as a middleman, the transactions happen quickly. But without the trader the players must go looking for the person they want to trade with, then agree on a price. Thats time that most players would prefer to spend actually playing guild wars.

Yes the traders aren't perfect, but they work better than the current system. While other systems will be better, they will also require a lot more work on ANETs part to implement.

As for which trader to stick these tomes with, adding them to the scroll trader seems like it would fit. Though spawning new trader NPCs wouldn't hurt.

bilateralrope · Apr 21, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Eldin

/notsigned

We don't need lvl 5s running around with elites (well, we'll still get that, but quite a few aren't smart enough to figure out how to buy them from other players). Convenience, as posted above, comes with a price.

1 - Whats the harm of level 5s with elite skills ?

2 - For them to give the elite to the level 5 character, that means they must of unlocked it either in PvP or on another character. Unless they jumped right into PvP and this is their first PvE character, that means they already have a character they could use to grind for the tomes themselves.

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Plus, with any luck, elite tomes may be of some money gain.

Since your against the trader, I'm going to assume your referring to making money a way the trader would prevent. The only one I can think of is buying off people who are selling the tomes at a lower price than the market value (because there is no feedback telling them what the market price is), then selling it again at a higher price. If this is the case, the trader would become the middleman instead of people like you. If this isn't the case, please tell me what is.

Evilsod · Apr 21, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

But tbh i'm with Faer. They gave us Signet of Captures and Skill trainers with increasingingly powerful skills further into the game. Been able to just gain any skill in the game wherever you are is slightly too convenient...

I might stretch to the Skill Trainer selling them... but only non-elite versions. If you want an elite, cap it yourself or pay extra.

MithranArkanere · Apr 21, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

You'll pay extra...

To the trader.

You think Elite Tomes will be sold for 1k? No, mate, no.
I'm positive their prices will match, ectos, black dyes and sigils.
Even more.

Traders won't really make their prices 'cheaper', but 'fair'.
Don't you like fair prices?

bilateralrope · Apr 21, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

But tbh i'm with Faer. They gave us Signet of Captures and Skill trainers with increasingingly powerful skills further into the game. Been able to just gain any skill in the game wherever you are is slightly too convenient...

And how will the trader change that considering that tomes are already tradeable between players ?

mazey vorstagg · Apr 21, 2007, 05:38 AM // 05:38

/signed.
Seeing as tome drops are not scaled they will drop wutie frequently for a solo farmer. I cannot be bothered to have to spam towns to sell them. I'd rather a trader I can sell them too even if that means getting 7k for each one rather than the 10k price they cost to buy.

/signed
/signed

I think this seems fair that A-net should introduce it

Dubby · Apr 21, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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I changed my mind. /notsigned

Having this mechanism installed could potentially greatly diminish the in-game value of skill hunter titles.

I would, however, like to see a trader for non-elite tomes.

Chris616263 · Apr 21, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by Dubby

-EDIT-

I changed my mind. /notsigned

Having this mechanism installed could potentially greatly diminish the in-game value of skill hunter titles.

I would, however, like to see a trader for non-elite tomes.

There is no in-game value of skill hunter titles??????

/signed

convenience should come at a price; - but this only gives access to SKILLS YOU ALREADY HAVE UNLOCKED. DEE DUH DEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I capped Jagged Bones on my warrior so my hero necros could use it; my l15 necro should get to use it without having to go all the way through Snorefall again.