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MirkoTeran · Jul 20, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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The districts are fragmented to much already. No need to split it up even more. If anything they should collapse some of them together.

Keneth · Jul 20, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

The districts are fragmented to much already. No need to split it up even more. If anything they should collapse some of them together.

Then perhaps they should get rid of all the other local districts and just leave English, Common and International. There's nothing wrong with having more districts, no one is forcing anyone to go there, everyone can freely roam any district they choose. I don't get people complaining about how "there's no one around", if there's no one around then what are they doing there, just go somewhere where there are some people.

MithranArkanere · Jul 20, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Just by stating that the 'common' language is English somewhere, it should be enough.

But it would be even better if they added English back and let you choose the default by options...

Curse You · Jul 20, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by eightyfour-onesevenfive

The english districts always were the common districts. Every European player who doesn't have a district for his local setting is placed there by default, on login. That didn't change. I highly doubt that there is a lot more non-english conversation going on in the common districts than there was in the english districts before the change. All this update did was name the district appropriately.

I guess you haven't been to any major cities recently. I've been in Lion's Arch and Kamadan a lot recently, and I've noticed a rather large increase in the number of people speaking other languages. I've seen a good number of German people (I can tell the difference between German and Dutch) that are only now using "Common Districts" to sell things.

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

The districts are fragmented to much already. No need to split it up even more. If anything they should collapse some of them together.

What is this, the third or second time someone has said this?

You are incorrect. If all districts were combined, it would fragment the European community severely. There would be too many people trying to speak too many languages.

Lyssas · Jul 20, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Not trying to be harsh or anything towards other languages but English is accepted as the most international language in the world (thus also in Europe). Personally, I'm from Sweden and I was gladly using the English districts and talking English, fact is that most people throughout Europe can speek English. A possible exeption is Germany and France which are too proud of their own language and have a poor education plan for English (no offence ment that's just a fact.) Therefore quite some French and Germans have trouble with English compared to other Europeans, but they have got their own districs so that problem is solved aas good as can be. Renaming the district to commom did not really alter who was there already or not, but it made a lot more people start talking their mother language instead of English, which makes a lot of people not understand each other, which is perfectly fine if the old English district would remain for those who talks English as they are being English, and for those like me who happily speaks English as it is the language that most people do understand.

Keep common districts if you want to but Put up English districts again. I see the argument that the districs are splitted enough as it is, if that argument is valid enough then just change back to English, as replacing them with common makes no real sence to anyone.

Bazompora · Jul 20, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Lyssas

I see the argument that the districs are splitted enough as it is, if that argument is valid enough then just change back to English, as replacing them with common makes no real sence to anyone.

Common makes more sense for a common ground than English. Replacing common again would be plain wrong.

I'm a native Dutch-speaker, I can and am willing to speak English, but I don't want to feel obligated to (which was the case until common districts were implicated).

thral · Jul 21, 2007, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

Hey, I'm American and I agree with this. It seems very... I want to say discriminatory but it seems to strong... that they would have zones dedicated for Spanish, Russian, Polish, French, Italian... and not have a dedicated place for English speakers.

Actually most new districts we were promised arent there, russian district just take me to common, all the new ones takes me to common :/. I cant sell in the common districts because theres more foreigners than english speakers.

MithranArkanere · Jul 21, 2007, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Well. My problem is quite curious.

I like to play the game in English (Spanish translation just sucks) but I do prefer to move in Spanish districts.

But they do not let you choose them separately.

Why not just have one option for the district and another for the language?
You currently can choose different sound language.
Why not text language, keeping your preferred districts?

Tylos Angelheart · Jul 21, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

I absolutely agree with this bring back our English District.... dunno bout you seems a bit racist or discriminative or summin towards the English i mean other nationalities get their own space so why not us?

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oooh and yeah as someone has said keep the common districts seems a good idea just as a generic zone for peeps to play.

Lauryn · Jul 21, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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I find it incredibly rude that they would remove a language (a very large language at that) from their choice of districts. I have no problem with people from other countries (in fact my best friend on GW who I've known for over 2 years now is Dutch

lol) and I love the idea of a common district as hopefully it would remove some of the spam then English districts have, yet of course it wont as it seems English speakers are no longer welcome? How is this not bordering on racism?

I honestly do not understand why they would replace the English districts, do they want to force us to switch to American or something?

Re-Add English Districts and keep Common, we ALL need somewhere to speak freely

<-- moody

isamu kurosawa · Jul 21, 2007, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by Bazompora

Common makes more sense for a common ground than English. Replacing common again would be plain wrong.

I'm a native Dutch-speaker, I can and am willing to speak English, but I don't want to feel obligated to (which was the case until common districts were implicated).

I have quite a few dutch, Swedish and Finnish members in my guild. All of them where met in the international districts, the original common ground for players. They too think this was a bad move as not only does it cause problems for English speakers, it also lessens the value of international districts.

If a more obvious common ground was really needed then the international districts could have been re-named while keeping their original purpose.

Nadasee · Jul 21, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

I have quite a few dutch, Swedish and Finnish members in my guild. All of them where met in the international districts, the original common ground for players. They too think this was a bad move as not only does it cause problems for English speakers, it also lessens the value of international districts.

If a more obvious common ground was really needed then the international districts could have been re-named while keeping their original purpose.

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I totaly agree with that!

I can't understand why they removed the English District and replaced it with the European Common District and still keep the International one. For me the International one was the "Common" meeting place for both European players and American ones ect. Now it just seems like we have 2 Districts of the same kind and no English one :S And this does indeed couse some speaking/party problems.

Brother Andicus · Jul 21, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

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In a long history of dumb moves by anet, this one is probably top of the list for dumbness.

kurtas · Jul 21, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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seriously... what?
This isn't about racism or xenophobia, its about convenience. The same reason the Russian players wanted Russian districts, Polish wanted Polish districts, and why there's been a few attempts at Australian districts.
It basically comes down to wanting to do things with people who you understand, and who understand you.
If this continues you'll see people spamming "lfg monk (English only)" or something to that extent.

If they're after a European community merge, merge all districts.
If they're after a cut down on spam, make trading districts.
If they're after confusing their player base and making the game more inconvenient to play, never revert this change.

Bazompora · Jul 21, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

the international districts, the original common ground for players.

The once undivided European districts were the original common ground for European players. Common districts are the reinstoration of these.

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

not only does it cause problems for English speakers,

What problems? You still have most people being able to speak your language. Renaming "English districts" into "Common districts" didn't wipe English from the memory of non-native speakers.
The only "problem" you have now, is that you have no ground for bashing people anymore, for speaking their own non-English native language among each other.

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

it also lessens the value of international districts.
If a more obvious common ground was really needed then the international districts could have been re-named while keeping their original purpose.

Found another way to say "speak English or get out of European districts"?

It seems you neglected the differences between European and International districts, such as:
European districts:
• better ping for most Europeans
• peak activity when it's evening in European countries
• population with mainly similar secular religeous background cultures
• access to FoW and UW
• best plave to recruit for a European guild
• no Asian trade bots
International districts:
• worse ping for many Europeans, but sometimes less lag
• no significant peak in activity at a set time
• populations with profoundly varying religeous background cultures
• visits from Gaile Grey
• best place to recruit for a world-wide International guild
• lots of Asian trade bots

Curse You · Jul 21, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Bazompora

What problems? You still have most people being able to speak your language. Renaming "English districts" into "Common districts" didn't wipe English from the memory of non-native speakers.
The only "problem" you have now, is that you have no ground for bashing people anymore, for speaking their own non-English native language among each other.

Found another way to say "speak English or get out of European districts"?

Let's say there was a Dutch district (I know there isn't). If I were to go there and started to spam in English, would they not tell me to go away?

You keep acting as though it's wrong to want to have a district where you can be assured that the people there will speak the same language as you. Yet you've stressed how you'd like a Dutch district. To me, you're contradicting yourself.

headcarb · Jul 21, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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isamu kurosawa · Jul 21, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Bazompora

The only "problem" you have now, is that you have no ground for bashing people anymore, for speaking their own non-English native language among each other.

I have never "bashed anyone for speaking another language. I would just prefer it if those I'm forming a team with could at least understand what i am saying and would reply in a way i could understand.

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Originally Posted by Bazompora

Found another way to say "speak English or get out of European districts"?

As i said, my guild has many dutch, Swedish and Finnish members who where all recruited in international districts and agree with what i have to say. Its more like saying, Use international districts as thats what they are there for. as many people have stated already, go to the French districts and speak a different language and they would not appreciate it themselves. Take away the French district and replace it with "general district" and they would complain as we have.

I really am amazed that people think its ok to remove an entire language based district. if there was a dutch district from the start and it was removed im sure you would complain as well.

In a game where strategy and planning is the key to success being able to clearly communicate with a team is very important.

Bazompora · Jul 22, 2007, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by Curse You

You keep acting as though it's wrong to want to have a district where you can be assured that the people there will speak the same language as you. Yet you've stressed how you'd like a Dutch district. To me, you're contradicting yourself.

• I never said it's wrong to have English districts; I said it's wrong to say common districts are not needed.
• I never said I wanted Dutch districts; I always was for non-language-bound European districts and saw no use in separate Dutch districts.

Stop contradicting the truth.

Curse You · Jul 22, 2007, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Bazompora

• I never said it's wrong to have English districts; I said it's wrong to say common districts are not needed.
• I never said I wanted Dutch districts; I always was for non-language-bound European districts and saw no use in separate Dutch districts.

Stop contradicting the truth.

Did you read my OP? I'm pretty sure I said I wanted an English District in addition to the Common District. I've said nothing about removing Common Districts.