Curse

Enix · Jul 21, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

There have been a lot of threads about changing this and that in reguard to PvE charecters already in existance, and all those threads seem to dance around a simple fix:

I propose a way to Re-Customize your charecter, similar to Charecter Creation, done through the login screen.

By Re-Customizing your charecter, I would like to be able to:

*Change the appearance of my charecters (sex, heigh, other attributes).
*Combine chapter styles (Cantha hair, Tyria face, Elona skin).
*Change charecter name (this is already being considered by Anet).

This should be limited to once per charecter, per month (especially for name changing/scamming purposes), and old names should still be tied to the account. For players who purchased additional chapters and would like to utilize the look from that chapter, they should be given the option to do so without deleting/remaking a charecter.

As the changes would be nothing more than database changes, there would be no requirement for NPCs or gold payout for the transaction to take place. Database changes do have precident, as people with "offensive" names are given the opportunity to change them.

Please sign and provide feedback fellow GW patrons!

Keneth · Jul 21, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

/signed for second and third option, not signed for the first one, while I see the benefits it doesn't really make sense.

MithranArkanere · Jul 21, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Well...

At least when you 'move' the charactere to GW2, it must be done.

But currently, hair style and one face style per character that has more than one year would be enough.

Enix · Jul 22, 2007, 05:11 AM // 05:11

Ken- I see what you are saying, but it dosent make any sense whatsoever.

Seriously though, state the reasoning for not supporting it so that there is something to respond to.

Mith- Your response dosent seem to make sense. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with my OP?

Your charecters wont "move" to GW2, not even in the abstract sense of the term. You will create wholey new charecters who can inherit accomplishments from your GW charecters.

Keneth · Jul 22, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

There's nothing to respond to, changing sex and height of a person is absurd, I don't see any reason to implement that. If you messed it up and couldn't be arsed to re-make the character within the first few days, that's basically your problem.

pamelf · Jul 22, 2007, 03:56 PM // 15:56

/signed on 2 and 3, but if it's from the login screen I think they should only give you the option once. If it's going to be there it needs more of a limit or will be abused.

It's different if the hair thing is an NPC because then you're only limited by the amount of money you're willing to spend.

I agree with Keneth about the sex and the height. Changing that simply doesn't make sense.

WinterSnowblind · Jul 22, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

I don't see the problem with being able to change the height and so forth of your character. It's only a game, it doesn't need to make sense. Some of my characters were made over two years ago, and I don't necessarily still like the appearance of them. Mostly that it just to do with hairstyles and faces, but in a few cases I'd like to change how tall they are, and I wouldn't mind being able to switch to a male Dervish instead of a female.

Should I really have to play through the entire game again, getting new armour and all of my titles again just so I can make my character a little taller? If you want to be THAT logical about it, then we shouldn't be able to alter the characters at all, how would they have hair dye back in those days?

/signed.

jesusrunz · Jul 22, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

/signed

Really good idea.

Keneth · Jul 23, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

If you want to be THAT logical about it, then we shouldn't be able to alter the characters at all, how would they have hair dye back in those days?

The same way you dye your armor black, if they have everlasting metal/leather/bone/cloth dye, then I'm sure a hair dye can exist. And changing the hair style seems pretty logical too since some of the ones in the game are pretty stylish, so I'm sure there's a hairdresser somewhere out there. Changing the face and skin color could be a little trickier but nothing that a bit of magic couldn't solve, ok maybe even height, addmitedly I'd like to make one of my characters a little shorter (it seems that they use different scales accross the campaigns <_<). But changing sex just makes no sense whatsoever, and yes, I think that if you really want a character of a different gender and appearance, you should put enough effort into it by making a new one. I have 7 PvE characters, and I've worked hard on all of them, being lazy and saying that you don't want to put all that time to waste is a poor excuse, it just means you don't really want it badly enough.

Div · Jul 23, 2007, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Changing character name isn't very viable as Anet has already stated. I think the only things that can be changed is the face and hair color or something...

Enix · Jul 23, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by pamelf

/signed on 2 and 3, but if it's from the login screen I think they should only give you the option once. If it's going to be there it needs more of a limit or will be abused.

It's different if the hair thing is an NPC because then you're only limited by the amount of money you're willing to spend.

I agree with Keneth about the sex and the height. Changing that simply doesn't make sense.

I agree that the option should be limited - monthly should be fine unless Anet wants to limit it more. Changing charecter appearence would only really be a novelty at first. Maybe once every two months then.

I dont see why you agree with Keneth, because there is no valid reasoning behind disagreeing with that proposal. The only "argument" I have seen is "When you make your charecter they should stay that way because I think that is how it should be", which is not a logical statement based on any type of sound reasoning.

I stated my opinions and backed my views up with reasoning. If you would like to do the same, I would be happy to engage you in a dialouge. Changing your charecter's sex and height does not impact gameplay or lead to exploits. Technically, you could hack the dat and change your charecter manually, but that is not possible for the average user. The only argument against the proposal is the cost for programming; however, the cost can be mitigated by Anet charging a nominal fee for the reprocessing of data ($1-2 per change or $5 for 3 changes). Charging that fee through the online store would also tie credit card information to existing GW accounts, making for a more secure environment which could not be exploited by botters.

Holy- In the forums recently, it was illuded to that Anet was considering that proposal already. The viability isn't entirely in question - it is simply implementing the technology for changing the name in their database.

Ken- You simply state your opinion and dont give reasoning behind it; therefore, I must consider your conclusions invalid and assume they are based on your misgivings. I am not lazy. Quite the contrary, I have invested a lot in my charecters and I am not going to delete a charecter that I have invested 500k in because I would prefer a different gender. Every choice in life, from brushing your teeth in the morning to taking a dump in the afternoon, is based on benifits and consequences, simply pointing out that fact dosent support your conclusions. That is like saying "the sky is blue; that being true, you should agree with the rest of what I say."

My kung fu is strong, young Skywalker.

Snow Bunny · Jul 23, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Enix

I agree that the option should be limited - monthly should be fine unless Anet wants to limit it more. Changing charecter appearence would only really be a novelty at first. Maybe once every two months then.

I dont see why you agree with Keneth, because there is no valid reasoning behind disagreeing with that proposal. The only "argument" I have seen is "When you make your charecter they should stay that way because I think that is how it should be", which is not a logical statement based on any type of sound reasoning.

I stated my opinions and backed my views up with reasoning. If you would like to do the same, I would be happy to engage you in a dialouge. Changing your charecter's sex and height does not impact gameplay or lead to exploits. Technically, you could hack the dat and change your charecter manually, but that is not possible for the average user. The only argument against the proposal is the cost for programming; however, the cost can be mitigated by Anet charging a nominal fee for the reprocessing of data ($1-2 per change or $5 for 3 changes). Charging that fee through the online store would also tie credit card information to existing GW accounts, making for a more secure environment which could not be exploited by botters.

Holy- In the forums recently, it was illuded to that Anet was considering that proposal already. The viability isn't entirely in question - it is simply implementing the technology for changing the name in their database.

Ken- You simply state your opinion and dont give reasoning behind it; therefore, I must consider your conclusions invalid and assume they are based on your misgivings. I am not lazy. Quite the contrary, I have invested a lot in my charecters and I am not going to delete a charecter that I have invested 500k in because I would prefer a different gender. Every choice in life, from brushing your teeth in the morning to taking a dump in the afternoon, is based on benifits and consequences, simply pointing out that fact dosent support your conclusions. That is like saying "the sky is blue; that being true, you should agree with the rest of what I say."

My kung fu is strong, young Skywalker.

It'd be a lot of work. I didn't like the fact that my canthan warrior looked like he was constipated and thus I didn't want anyone to see his face. So, after investing in 3 sets of 15k armor, I deleted him.
I made a female in prophecies, and am quite happy with her.

Don't be lazy. Make the right choice the first time. It's your own fault. It's like that guy screaming in Kaineng for a GM to change his name because no one would group with him because of his name. His name was along the lines of 12 year old bathroom humor, in a most disgusting way.
He made a bad decision; he should have to live with it, and he should've had the sense to see how idiotic it was in the first place.

go remake, ANet has its hands full already.

/notsigned.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jul 23, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

/signed for Hair style and color.
practical and nice for those who like to change looks to go with their new armor or just for something new altogether.

Keneth · Jul 23, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Your reasoning is no stronger and no more supported than mine is, you think it makes sense, I think it doesn't. I can easily invert your statement and say that since it doesn't impact gameplay, there's no real reason for you to change it except for the fact that you want to play a different gender. Which is quite easily achieved by making a new character, and no one's forcing you to delete your existing one either. GW originally has 4-8 character slots with any number of additional ones purchasable at the store, so saying you don't have the space to make a new one is not a valid reason. And the only reason not to make a new one is because you don't feel like wasting all that time again, which is a very weak excuse also. Additionally I also have common sense on my side which should tell any normal person that something doesn't feel right about changing the sex of a character.

You don't have any kung fu, grandpa Obi. I've seen your pathetic efforts in the movies.

Enix · Jul 24, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Keneth

Your reasoning is no stronger and no more supported than mine is, you think it makes sense, I think it doesn't. I can easily invert your statement and say that since it doesn't impact gameplay, there's no real reason for you to change it except for the fact that you want to play a different gender. Which is quite easily achieved by making a new character, and no one's forcing you to delete your existing one either. GW originally has 4-8 character slots with any number of additional ones purchasable at the store, so saying you don't have the space to make a new one is not a valid reason. And the only reason not to make a new one is because you don't feel like wasting all that time again, which is a very weak excuse also. Additionally I also have common sense on my side which should tell any normal person that something doesn't feel right about changing the sex of a character.

You don't have any kung fu, grandpa Obi. I've seen your pathetic efforts in the movies.

The impact is not on gameplay, yes - that is not the root of the resoning behind changing your charecter, where is where you seem to be confused. Rather, it is on customer satisfaction with the game as a product and appreciation of the game in general. The inherent premise you seem too myopic to understand is that each charecter is an investment.

Many people have mentioned to me personally and in various forums that they wished the were able to utilize aspects from different chapters to change their existing charecters. I would not want to have to slog through Prophacies to get to Factions or NF just because I dont like any of their Necro skins. The fact that you fail to see this leads me to believe that you either lack empathy or refuse to take into account the opinions of people other than your self. Many people dont have the uber cash that you apparently do, and take pride in their single set of 15k armor and unique weapons they have collected but also feel that they would like a change of pace in how their player is depicted on the screen. You are holding the majority of players to your uber-standard, which is unfair.

Slots are not an issue, that argument is spurrious and invalid for this proposal (not that I even brought them up). Personal economic issues are not in question.

Please, explain to me how people who DON'T have 20 hours a week to play and hundreds of platinum will be able to delete and remake their well-equiped charecters and have them ready to play endgame content without additional serious investment.

There is no better proposal for changing the look and feel of your charecters without a huge reiteration of the time and effort needed to get charecters well-equiped. You cannot combine styles from different chapters, therefore your "remake" suggestion is fallacious.

There is no better proposal for altering existing charecter style, as the VGUI for charecter customization is already in place at the login screen.

Your Colbert-esque "cuz I feel it" statement is laughable. I don't feel that people should be able to go into other dimensions and fight deamons, yet they do in GW.

It is a game. Charecters are toys. They should be customizable to the player's wishes using the already available skins.

Snow Bunny- I am not lazy. Wouldnt you rather have just re-customized your charecter and kept all your equipment? Rather, go beyond that and think of people other than yourself, if you have reached that stage of psychosocial development. Anet "had its hands full" before, but they now have Ruins of Tombs, Sorrows Furnace, Historical Missions (releasing this fall), expanded storage, "improvements" to the party list, etc. Anet's ethos is to provide good customer service, account feature, and game updates. Changing something like this is not wholey unprecidented and should be welcomed by the community, not rejected by naysayers who opine before they bother to fully understand.

Keneth · Jul 24, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

We are not talking about looks, I have already given my agreement to the point that the look of the character should be changeable. We're talking about the gender of the character, and yes, essentially that is just the outside look too but if you have a character named Albert and you change his hairstyle, he can still be Albert, if you turn him to a girl however, he can't be Albert anymore. You are changing the very essence of the character. And you are still going on about deleting your character, there is no reason whatsoever for you to delete your existing character, if you got tired of it but don't want to waste it then just leave it there, that's why you get more than one character slot, so you can play different characters. Also, since we're talking game dynamics here, for a normal player it takes about 40-60 hours of gameplay to get to lvl20 and acquire his 15k, depending on the campaign and how many times you've done everything before (no, you don't need a 100 plat investment for it because you should have more than enough after playing for that long) and about half that time to just get an effective end-game character. So the only issue and invesment here is time and if you don't have 20+ hours a week to play then I'm sorry but that's the same as saying that you should be able to get a crystaline sword in every chest because you don't feel like wasting time to get it. After all, it's just for the looks and one should be able to customize their character to any extent without any effort, right?

Yes, customizing your character should be possible but changing your gender is ridiculous, might as well add a chance to change the primary profession then because you don't feel like playing that warrior anymore but you've wasted all that precious time on it.

Enix · Jul 24, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Ken - You still don't understand, and the fact of the matter is that you don't want to, which saddens me.

There is no such thing as an "essance" of a charecter outside of what you personally project on it. This isn't WoW - there are no "reputations". Ask someone in your guild right now if they cared if you changed one of your charecters from a guy to a gal or vice versa. Seriously, no other people besides myself care about what my or your charecters are, so changing them has no impact on other people.

You bring up another spurrious (desperate) "crystaline" argument here that seems to pervade these forums. Apples and oranges, Ken. Not losing something you already have worked for and earned is very different than gaining something that you dont have and that you want but dont want to work for. Rarity of items is not in question here, and this is not a valid analogy.

Gender changes are not rediculous. They are visual and do not impact game play - changing your primary profession does impact game play (XP, skill points, etc. remain tied to that charecter) and is therefore NOT a valid analogy either.

If you are a heavy "role player", then keep your gender - just don't dictate that other players shouldn't be able to change theirs.

40-60 hours? That is more than a week of full-time work to get a charecter up and ready. Adults play this game too, Ken.

Your rhetorical question and comments show your lack of understanding. The effort has already been expended. The gold has been earned. The Drago's has been bought and customized. The skills have been capped. Your player is where it needs be. You would just rather look at a lady now instead of a dood. What is so wrong with that?

If you don't have any reasoning besides "I don't want you to change YOUR charecter's sex because I don't think I should change MINE because of their essance", then I thank you for your input and kindly ask you resign yourself to your views and not sully this thread with misinformation.

original whopper · Jul 24, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

/signed

I'm not able to play as much as I'd like to, and as stated in previous post, this in No Way would affect game play for anyone else. For people who don't want to use this feature then don't, no one is forcing you. It's like the guild wars store, it's a added feature thats there but I don't use it, does it mean other people shouldn't? no, it doesn't affect me at all.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jul 24, 2007, 03:06 AM // 03:06

/signed, I'd love to change this... of course there have been 50 billion threads on this but w/e...

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jul 24, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

/signed, I'd love to change this... of course there have been 50 billion threads on this but w/e...