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Shuuda · Aug 18, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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At the moment, anyone who only has Nightfall who wishes to play an Elementalist doesn't have that choice. Until they get to the Bone Palace

There is Tyrian armor, which I though was both covering and cute, is is that not good enough as it is cute. Personlly I think 15K Sunspear makes my ele look more cute than sexy, which rocks since I like cute.

I regret nothing!

spellsword · Aug 18, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

The only one who should complain are paragon and dervish players, as there is pretty much zero variety to their armors, so if you don’t like one, chances are you won’t like all. For all other professions however, there is something for almost everyone to chose from, as has been shown before. You can also mix and match the different components.

OP: If you are looking for cheap modest ele armor, try Piromancers, or Tyrian.

Undivine · Aug 18, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Curse You

I'm sorry, but I think you just defined fantasy. It's all about things that are totally illogical, i.e. women in bikinis killing dragons. Nice contradiction.

No contradiction. You're talking about the word "fantasy", as in "these are my fantasies." I'm talking about the "fantasy" genre, as in elves and dragons and such. There was never a requirement in the fantasy genre that it had to have chain-mail bikinis. There was never a requirement that it had to be cheesy. Women in bikinis killing dragons is just cheesy. Over the years, the more cheesy, B-movie, badly written fantasy movies included chain-mail bikinis. My complaint with Guild Wars is that the game developers never really took the genre seriously, they just wanted a game with a deep battle system. This clothing debate is a part of that general problem.

And just to make things clear, nudity is sometimes appropriate. Remember Diablo 2 when you fought Andariel and she had her bare breasts exposed? It wasn't exactly conservative, but it was appropriate for a demon. Wasn't exactly sexy either.

A Leprechaun · Aug 18, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

Fighterdoken,

Yes indeed it is a man's industry or world. I know that things will not change, but I have high hopes that one little thing may be done such as the armor I've been posting about.

The female Gladiator armor is one of the things I've been pondering about. I've seen so many warriors wearing it and yet I see no scars upon their flesh. If people are honestly going to argue this using the "real life females dress showy" then perhaps some scars should be added since in real life I'm sure their flesh would have been cut.

Anyways, thank you for your post and being anything but condescending.

P.S. I'm getting real tired of being told I'm "crying" when all I'm doing is stating an idea (and telling a woman she's a crier is just a weak mans way of getting out of putting forth any effort to help out a situation) .

Lol, I got to this post and stopped reading. Good idea about the scars with female gladiator's armour, oh and it would be great if when burning is applied to you your skin blisters and you have horrible burns all over your body forever on that character, oh and when your blinded your screen goes black and stays that way. I'm a guy, I have no problem with your idea, in fact I think you have a very good point, but please dont go saying things like " Its supposed to be armour" or " she should be scarred", gameplay or realism dont come into it (because getting slashed by a sword a hundred times and walking away is realistic...), its a game. What does come into it is that you, and probably many other women, are not comfortable having a underdressed female as your personal avater, which is fine. Please just say so, dont make excuses.

/signed

~A Leprechaun~

Fitz Rinley · Aug 18, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Ok, some people think this is a question of artwork. To be good art an item should, in no specific order:

Not be so busy as to prevent clear recognition: perfect example of violation is the single rose design for capes.
Should be clearly distinguishable without color (in black and white) as well as with.
Should have clear and distinct separation between separate items for contrast purposes: A few of the chests and merchants would never be found if one could not use the Alt key to scan.
Should maintain consistancy of style in presentation

What does not matter in making good art is personal preference. That is not to say art has no obligation to consider the preferences of the target audiences. (And since every person is a member of several different audiences depending on the mode of life they are expressing: parent mode, church mode, rebellion mode, etc. and even all at once; this can be very difficult.)

There are things about GW art that I do not like. For example, I absolutely detest the Istani Female Necromancer armor designed only for people of high pigmentation. Only if your character expresses high pigmentation can you hide dirt covered shoulders, elbows, knees, and the mud-packed thighs. I have never cared for all the male necros looking osteoparetic. I have never cared for the split-tail design on so many of the female armors. I don't particularly see why one of the best looking armors for rangers, at a distance, must have dead twigs tied to their arms and legs when something live and leafy would be fantastic. And I would not be caught dead (no matter what gender I might be in my next life, lol) wearing most of the underwear in this game. (The necro and ranger undies are horrid and terrible for dessert or jungle climates.)

I am male, and I do like some of the sensuality of the game. I do think it is appropriate for the tattas to jiggle when the girls dance, because ones that dont jiggle are silicon. Fact is there is nothing in the game more revealing than a bathing suit, but very few people refuse to go to a non-nudist beach or public swimming pool.

It would be nice if there were more armors that was more choice for both genders. I happen to like the wonderful work of Frank Frazetta, Boris Valejo, and Ken Kelly. I also like what their women warriors don't wear. We have a wonderful oportunity with GW 2 to toss in a little barbarian armor, or maybe some warrior tat-armor like some nations of the Americas were rather famous for (Spiritual armor and clan insignia tats). I would like to see some armors more reminiscent of the Art Nouveau period (just after whale-bone corsets but that were still gorgeously bell shaped and well ornamented.) And if you ever see a Napoleonic period ballroom gown - well, they would not have had to uncover anything to breast feed.

The biggest problems I see are the limitations of 3D modeling and dangly mesh. The clipping in the Sunspear Mesmer 15k shows a part of this problem. The constant clipping on the capes and between hair and some armors shows more of it.

But can we do anything now that GW is abandoning GW for GW2? I think getting more armors here and now is too late.

dsnesnintendo · Aug 18, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

the main demographic(not everyone just most) for mmo players are small nerdy men(and proud of it)
so male armor is big and tough(nerds fantasy)
and females armor is sexy to the point of no return(fantasy)
maybe gwen armor (being a snowy envuronment) is more consealing

dragonofinfinity · Aug 18, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

ok, finished reading, now for my two cents,

i am a woman, i have a range of characters, at a range of stages across all 3 parts.

i dont have a problem with much of the armour in the game, but i would like to see some of it modded to make it a little more 'practical', given that most of the female character moddels are highly out of proportion (ritualists especialy, they seem to have very barbie like proportions), more 'correctly supporting' armour would look better.

some of the armour is very beautifull (elite noble mesmer, elite stormforged, elite kurzick assassin and kurzick ranger are some of my favorites), but some, is a little too skimpy for my tastes, and i would like to have the option to have a set that i like more when i start a new char (i deleted a nightfall ele because of this).

at the moment i am farming to change my elementalists armour, as she has ascalonian armour, which i ,admittedly, hate, it looks awfull, and is way too reveling. it is the one set i would seriously rework.
(all my chars have a colour scheme, hers is green, it looks even worse coloured)

one thing i was very happy about recently, was finding out whilst death leveling my perma pre warrior that she is wearing proper underwear and not just the usual 'bikini and thong' that usualy comes as standard on female warriors.

i have worn things that are very close to much of the armour, and 90% of it is highly uncomftable, cold or bending in any way is impossible.

Fitz Rinley · Aug 18, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

LOL, I have a friend who models for Hallmark cards. She makes her own period attire and takes her husband along when she models to assist with her corset. In the many years she has been working for them she has never been able to convince them that women Never wore a corset to sit side-saddle on the ground under a tree and read a book. So she dutifully wears her corsets and gowns to sit side saddle under a tree - breathlessly waiting her 15 minute per hour break when her husband can follow her to the dressing room and undo her corset and let the blue out of her face.

I do think some of the female models are a little thin, but I have known women who could easily match any of these toons measure for measure. More options in body types would not be a bad thing, but I do not know of any fantasy games, book, or art that does not depict women with good cleavage and a waspish figure - clothed or not.

I would not mind seeing tat designs for all classes and genders - or partial tat+armor pieces.

And as to DSNesnintindo's comments: ROFL.
Some of that may be true, but I know of a few military guys that play and they do not meet that criteria.

Curse You · Aug 18, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Undivine

No contradiction. You're talking about the word "fantasy", as in "these are my fantasies." I'm talking about the "fantasy" genre, as in elves and dragons and such. There was never a requirement in the fantasy genre that it had to have chain-mail bikinis. There was never a requirement that it had to be cheesy. Women in bikinis killing dragons is just cheesy. Over the years, the more cheesy, B-movie, badly written fantasy movies included chain-mail bikinis. My complaint with Guild Wars is that the game developers never really took the genre seriously, they just wanted a game with a deep battle system. This clothing debate is a part of that general problem.

Really...

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Originally Posted by Fantasy Genre

Traits of fantasy

The identifying traits of fantasy are the inclusion of fantastic elements in a self-coherent setting. Within such a structure, any location of the fantastical element is possible: it may be hidden in, or leak into the apparently real world setting, it may draw the characters into a world with such elements, or it may occur entirely in a fantasy world setting, where such elements are part of the world.

Within a given work, the elements must not only obey rules, but for plot reasons, must also contain limits to allow both the heroes and the villains means to fight; magical elements must come with prices, or the story would become unstructured.

From that I gather that a fantasy simply has to have "fantastic elements". You can have a fantasy without "elves and dragons and such" but instead by having a world with magic. Since I think we've all determined that a "chain-mail bikini" must use magic, it's safe to say that it can be a part of a fantasy world.

draxynnic · Aug 19, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by spellsword

OP: If you are looking for cheap modest ele armor, try Piromancers, or Tyrian.

Not an option if all you have is Nightfall.

Curse You · Aug 19, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Not an option if all you have is Nightfall.

Too bad for you? They do say that if you want full options, you need all 3 campaigns. It's no different when it comes to armour.

spellsword · Aug 19, 2007, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Not an option if all you have is Nightfall.

Nightfall has ancient, even though its not 1k. If the price is bothering you, I can only say tough luck, if the armor you like is expensive, thats not a problem. Else everyone could complain that their favorite armor is expensive.

Zedd Kun · Aug 19, 2007, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Jora is HOT!

Don't bother, it's a sale trick most games use..

JeniM · Aug 19, 2007, 12:08 PM // 12:08

As a female gamer i feel i should also contribute my say to this thread

I personally find nothing wrong with the armor. Why dress ingame like you do in the real world? why not go crazy ingame it's not actually YOU thats wearing it afterall
My PvP Warrior has Gladiators armor
My ranger is saving for 15k Druids and my PvP mesmer has Enchantress armor

Don't see anything wrong myself

Shuuda · Aug 19, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

oh, I also forgot to mention, but I would say Elite Canthan Elementalist is rather modest as well. Just sayin' since no one has mentioned it.

Enix · Aug 19, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Sorry gal. This is probably the most pointless thread ever because:

1 - Most gamers are guys and like skimpy fem armor - Anet "Knows it's audience".
2 - You chose the sex of your charecters, so you can role a guy if you want (half of my toons are fem because it is nicer to look at for hours, see Tomb Raider).

3 - There are armors you can wear that aren't that revealing (Canthan, Fire Forged).
4 - A cornerstone of the the "Fantasy" genre is scantily clad women with swords. If you don't like it, you can always play Mario Party.

I get dirty whispers on my nec, and they dont bother me. I just say "LoL, thats why I made her that way, scrub."

I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

legion_rat · Aug 19, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by Enix

Sorry gal. This is probably the most pointless thread ever because:

1 - Most gamers are guys and like skimpy fem armor - Anet "Knows it's audience".
2 - You chose the sex of your charecters, so you can role a guy if you want (half of my toons are fem because it is nicer to look at for hours, see Tomb Raider).

3 - There are armors you can wear that aren't that revealing (Canthan, Fire Forged).
4 - A cornerstone of the the "Fantasy" genre is scantily clad women with swords. If you don't like it, you can always play Mario Party.

I get dirty whispers on my nec, and they dont bother me. I just say "LoL, thats why I made her that way, scrub."

I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

soo basically "take it and like it bitch" Why not have more options? Would it kill you for there to be more armor? would it ruin your game? While I do understand your point of Anet appealing to the large number of males they should also be considerat enough to the other plays as well.

~the rat~

I want invisible armor for my mesmer though.

Shuuda · Aug 19, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Although I do agree that there is a varity issue with some proffessions, mainly paragons, I think the arguement vs skimpy outfits is a bit on the overeacting side, all the proffessions (Other than paragon) Have some choice of both modest, formal style, skimpy armors. Even elementalists. Many male elementalist armors on the other hand sicken me.

spellsword · Aug 19, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

You don't seem to get it. I would have no problem with the OPs request if what she is asking for already wasn't in the game. There are modest looking armors to chose from.

Shuuda · Aug 19, 2007, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by spellsword

You don't seem to get it. I would have no problem with the OPs request if what she is asking for already wasn't in the game. There are modest looking armors to chose from.

I think the OPs issue is there are NOT ENOUGH modest armors in the game, which I have already stated that I disagree with.