Curse

rohara · Aug 17, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

blown way out of proportion, imo. there's a pretty wide variety of armor in this game, from stripper to nun.

and this is a fantasy game. these characters live and breathe in a fantasy world that is not of our own and doesn't abide by our morals.

anyways...i'm a lady gamer and i like my scantily clad lady toons. most people aren't so emotionally and hormonally imbalanced that they look at my ele and need to sign off for some "private" time. showing some skin != dirty slut. i don't complain about the conservative armor in the game, why complain about the skimpy?

grottoftl · Aug 17, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Tutis Evito

Its good to see someone with a least high morals and a good persoanl standard espically in the world today with the way games/media is protrayed.

having high morals can cause close mindedness among society. people should be free to express themselves and not be persecuted because others think its "immoral". no one acted that way in ancient times when citizens walked freely nude in public and no one was bothered by it. every one of you should stop being so sensitive and be open minded

for those who dont understand why having less armor doesnt make any sense, well here is a little history lesson for you and I am repeating myself. back in ancient spartan days soldiers only equipped themselves with a shield, a helmet and a weapon, they didnt have full body armor. they fought in the battlefields completely nude reason why was because they can better manuver and it showed a sign of bravery, they showed no fear in battle. same goes for native americans who had less armor when fighting in battles and in other parts of the world, they only wore very light fabrics to fight so they have better agility to rely on to avoid the enemies attacks

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

I am not saying anything bad about you as a person or individual, however it does annoy me when I am able to give 122 examples of armor that are acceptable to the most modest players available and those individuals are still unsatisfied. Show some appreciation for the fact that Anet does take what your saying into concern and has provided and will continue to provide many (122 or over 50 if you choose to completely ignore armor that is in any way above standard 1.5k) armor types that allow you to look as Amish as your heart desires. Ultimately what I am trying to say is that this thread is pointless as there is no real point to what you are trying to convey... Anet does think of those who want to wear modest clothing and will continue to make clothing that you can wear should you choose to wear it. So.... please close the thread.

Guardian of the Light · Aug 17, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Well I see your point but I have one thing to point out in defense of Anet. Some male armors aren't any different. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image...or_armor_m.jpg

Quarath · Aug 17, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

OhCrapLions,

Do you see where we are crying on here? Or is this just a sexist statement because women are known to show emotion more often then men? You may be okay with the armor and that's just fine...but I'm not okay with it and I have the right to post an objection or idea about what can be done about it. If you're not going to be helpful then stay out of this thread because I won't tolerate flaming from someone who can't spell "more". Thank you and happy gaming.

Ok here is helpful. I hope.

I am male and as a man I cannot say some of the outfits don't make me think about things men think about all too often. Yes that seems enjoyable but that is not what I am here to play for I am here to play adventure roleplaying game. If I want to watch half naked women dance in front of me I'd prefer they were real not animated.

I am also a father and all my kids play this game as well. I think the sexyness of the all the female characters is completely overdone and actually somewhat neglegent on the creators part for making this part of a game they know children will be playing weather they are the the target audience or not. I still let my children play because this is the world we live in and I am not going to shelter them from reality. But just because things are this way does not make them right.

I COMPLETELY support you that better choices should be available for those who wish it. In fact I there were filters for those who wished to turn them on that would substitute a more modest version of clothing on those that all ready exist. They can be similar, they can even be sexy but they would not be offensive. Those who don't care can leave the filter off they see what everyone wants and those who wish can turn the filter on and not see. I doubt the coding is even all that complicated and everybody wins.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Quarath... See my last post... there are plenty of armors available. I made a detailed list. Stop speaking out of ignorance and look at all of the available armors. See my post for a complete list of current available "Amish armors". As far as the coding goes... it is evident that you have never made a model or reskinned a current model. Please stop saying ungrounded statements... again see my most recent post.

Dervish Gnome · Aug 17, 2007, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Quarath

Ok here is helpful. I hope.

I COMPLETELY support you that better choices should be available for those who wish it. In fact I there were filters for those who wished to turn them on that would substitute a more modest version of clothing on those that all ready exist. They can be similar, they can even be sexy but they would not be offensive. Those who don't care can leave the filter off they see what everyone wants and those who wish can turn the filter on and not see. I doubt the coding is even all that complicated and everybody wins.

Quarath,

That is actually a brillaint idea! I would really go for that as an option (heck...I'll take it over new armor options).

Fitz Rinley · Aug 17, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I too have always been amused by the fact that 175 bolts, mind you Bolts, of cloth can be turned into a bathing suit for 75 grand. It is an irony which I deeply enjoy, having made my own costumes on occasion.

I have known very strong willed women, in the military - soldiers, that ran exactly the way depicted. Yes, I watched upon occasion. I have also known some very athletic Females who could appear quite dainty until they moved,

. They simply were not accustomed to mincing as they walked. Now perhaps there should be a */mince on* and */mince off* set of emotes for the female characters. But there are some facts of life, such as Boys dont inherently do arm flutters and they are natural to excited girls. Boys dont naturally mince and girls are pretty close to designed for it. And it is ok for boys to like that.

Now, as for the armor. I also have a very prim character. Her name begins Mrs. She is Fitz's wife, and wears long dresses with her hair up. She is quite skilled at high persit and evasion in high-heels and proud of the skill. (Alas, she is awaiting the arival of the bonus signet for Women, "Inspired Stiletto Strike", which causes 3 consecutive knockdowns and blindness 3-19 sec to one target, but cripples caster for 5-3 seconds. But this would be a female only skill - unless of course Marilyn Manson is playing.) But my other female characters (4 more btw - I give equal time to both genders) are not at all concerned about distracting the foe with Tata checks. There are afterall, many different kinds of armor.

I would agree that a greater range of armors would be nice. I have always wanted to be able to include artistic elements from preferred secondaries in my dominant armor theme. If I want to play E/A then I would like the option of bladed armor where the blades reflect my preferred element. Or if I want to play W/N then something gothic with a skull face in the chest plate. Or if I want to play D/P, then a chestplate similar to the Sunspear armor with wings and deep flowing arms. I have always detested the split tail dresses of the Necros and Eles - and do not wear them.

So, I would agree with more versatility, but I would not agree with less sensuality. I think on that issue, we may be somewhat on opposed sides. I wouldnt mind seeing an adults section to the game that could be rated under 17 not admitted without parents. (Separate districts and proof of age via credit card before entry is allowed.) And that isn't so people can be raunchy, but so adults can play without having to feel guarded all the time. (And trust me, in my experience it would not separate the mature from the immature on either side.)

MithranArkanere · Aug 17, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

That's censorship.
And censorship is one of the worst things you can make to art and games.

Completely evil.

The game is sold with one rating. You bought it. If you want your 10 years old child to play the game, wait until he is over the age the game is rate.

Geez.

Please, have a little of common sense.

Clothing are comletely normal, there are no nudes or something like that.

This reminds me of that silly superbowl incident. Anyone with over IQ:50 would care not about that.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Gnome... Is there a reason you only responded to Quarath when there were multiple perfectly logical statments pertaining to your shortsided thoughts directly above his post... please respond to them before you simply quote a foolish supporter of your idea and ignore the logical arguments against your own perception.

Tutis Evito · Aug 17, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by grottoftl

having high morals can cause close mindedness among society. people should be free to express themselves and not be persecuted because others think its "immoral". no one acted that way in ancient times when citizens walked freely nude in public and no one was bothered by it. every one of you should stop being so sensitive and be open minded

Yes it can cause close mindedness but on the other hand high standards is something the world in general has lost.

Yes we all have the freedom to choose, i mean thats one thing we all have nowadays thanks to our ancestors and all the wars etc. We do live in a world where we can act for ourselves . On the flip side, people who sustain high standards and want to be moral shouldnt be persceuted either.

Im not here saying, 'hey all you who like to check out the GW sprite chicks' are wrong, all i am saying is 'hey, i have the same high standards, and yes i like Gnomes idea' Who am i to judge another.

We're all here to play a game, we all have differnet standards, upbringings and views on morality and we should respect those differences.

Dervish Gnome · Aug 17, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Gnome... Is there a reason you only responded to Quarath when there were multiple perfectly logical statments pertaining to your shortsided thoughts directly above his post... please respond to them before you simply quote a foolish supporter of your idea and ignore the logical arguments against your own perception.

Actually when I quoted him your post hadn't registered, but I think it's cute that you're so concerned about me noticing you. I have already responded to your long post and I thanked you for listing all the other options. Sorry, but I am not shelling out 15k for armor...you can just forget it.

Your other comment was souly direct to Quarath so I don't have to respond to that (other than...uh-oh other people have opinions that don't agree with you! Sound the alarms! Call 911! I want SWAT here ASAP! *heehee*

That was fun.)

By all means, continue...

jkyarr · Aug 17, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Options are good!

GW:EN's new armors may resolve this request (although I have my doubts).

/signed

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

SWAT has arrived... More than half of all of the armors in guild wars would not be considered overly revealing... so.... why does this thread exist? You have plenty of choices (122+ if you want to pay more or 50+ if you don't).

/closethread

Quarath · Aug 17, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Quarath... See my last post... there are plenty of armors available. I made a detailed list. Stop speaking out of ignorance and look at all of the available armors. See my post for a complete list of current available "Amish armors". As far as the coding goes... it is evident that you have never made a model or reskinned a current model. Please stop saying ungrounded statements... again see my most recent post.

Maybe you should actually read rather than rant. I see your list whoooo hooo good for you so what. What I said was I support Dervish NOT you which is your real problem. It's not based one bit on ignorance but on values which you seem to lack. What I suggested would in no way hinder your game play or what you see in the game. Only give those who wish a different alternative that would in no way interfere with anyone's voyeuristic digital debauchery. To that matter how does someone else having more options for armor art affect you at all.

As for ignorance what the hell does having made a model or re-skinned a model have anything to do with it. If you are referencing to the coding not being to difficult that has nothing to do with the coding. The coding simply turns on or off a filter much like a filter that filters out cuss words in a chat program. A collection of statements such as If OUTFIT(1)=Slutty replace with OUTFIT(1a) which is Modest. As for skinning a character model. I am a graphic Designer by profession and I am pretty sure I could handle it.

Next time you want to toss around accusations of ignorance look in the mirror.

Quarath · Aug 17, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

That's censorship.
And censorship is one of the worst things you can make to art and games.

Completely evil.

The game is sold with one rating. You bought it. If you want your 10 years old child to play the game, wait until he is over the age the game is rate.

Geez.

Please, have a little of common sense.

Clothing are comletely normal, there are no nudes or something like that.

This reminds me of that silly superbowl incident. Anyone with over IQ:50 would care not about that.

No it's not Censorship. Censorship would forcing a change that would affect everyone regardless of if they liked it or not.

It's called choice. I gives someone the Option to choose to view things differently.

It in no way affects you.

Seppi · Aug 17, 2007, 08:08 PM // 20:08

I'm going to sign this for a wider range of clothing rather than focusing future armor toward 1 end of the spectrum.

Therefore...

/Signed for more armor ranging from underwear garments to a full blown astronaut suit.

Subnote: Jora's armor can be upgraded with hero armor. Most likely there will be a fully covered version of her armor.

I don't see the point to arguing against diversity, considering Anet will diversify anyway.

Winterclaw · Aug 17, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

While I'd like more skimpy armor, I'd support a skimpiness filter like the profanity filter.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Quarath... Cute thoughts, but still way off base... there are 122 current armor types that allow your toon to look as slutty as Vabbian 15k Ele or as modest as most Monk/Nun outfits... I'm all in favor of more armor, but creating a petition per say. What you do with your game means nothing to me, i just think its a bit narrow minded to accuse Anet of not making enough Amish armor when there is clearly plenty (122+). If you would like to make your own non-Amish armor feel free there are texture mods all of the internet.

Dervish Gnome · Aug 17, 2007, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Quarath... Cute thoughts, but still way off base... there are 122 current armor types that allow your toon to look as slutty as Vabbian 15k Ele or as modest as most Monk/Nun outfits... I'm all in favor of more armor, but creating a petition per say. What you do with your game means nothing to me, i just think its a bit narrow minded to accuse Anet of not making enough Amish armor when there is clearly plenty (122+). If you would like to make your own non-Amish armor feel free there are texture mods all of the internet.

Ele Vabbian armor costs 5k (by wiki's standards) and it's not slutty...I would rather have a belly button show then side boob anyday. And if I'm accusing ANET about anything it's about the lack of affordable, and modest (but somewhat stylish) armor.

Come on R!ghteous...you can no sooner make me back down then I could change your views and be 100% sure to get respectful clothing in GW (but I'll settle for a .01% chance if I have to).