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jgortner · Apr 24, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

For ArenaNet and All,

I know there is a large population of us out there that have either purchased a second account to play on or have acquired another account from a friend or family member.

I have recently inquried with A-Net asking if they could take the PvE character slots from my second account and add them to my main account for this fee of $9.99 (or even a different fee if necessary). No transfer of fame or main storage or anything else - quite simply a PvE character and everything on it to be transferred over (no adding of fame or anything else complicated). Honestly I'd even be willing to pay a larger fee if this took more work than what a $9.99 overhead cost would cover.

I have been denied this request by A-Net and was hoping to get some support from everyone here, even those that don't have second accounts at the time, saying that this feature would be greatly appriciated by the guild wars community.

I do everything I can to support A-Net and the community here. I even donated a dollar when the guys here requested it in my support. I'm simply asking back from you A-Net that you simply provide me the opportunity to transfer over the time and energy put into one account to another - and most especially - to give you more of my money!

Please everyone chime in so that those of us with a second account can get recognized and hopefully A-Net will happily do this for us!

Thank you all. Thank you A-Net.

Justin

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calamitykell · Apr 24, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Explain how they would do this.

jgortner · Apr 24, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Well, they are offering an extra slot for your account at the cost of $9.99.

Once this 'empty' slot is created they could just copy the character data (armor, invetory, xp, etc) over from the second account into the empty slot.

Seems straightfoward to me.

Justin

calamitykell · Apr 24, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

What I don't get is why it's a big deal in the first place? Even if you have 1 account and 50,000 characters, you still have to re-login to switch.

Phaern Majes · Apr 24, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Lmao I want that account.

felinette · Apr 24, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgortner

Once this 'empty' slot is created they could just copy the character data (armor, invetory, xp, etc) over from the second account into the empty slot.

Seems straightfoward to me.

I said the same in another thread. Someone pointed out that if the character has a different fame rating, what would happen? I suppose there could be other issues, too. However, I think that having the transferred characters inherit the settings/ratings/whatever of the account they're transferred to would be reasonable. If someone doesn't want that to happen, then they don't merge accounts.

Anet has said they won't be doing this, though.

What's the big deal? Well, if you can't merge accounts, it means you have to buy multiple copies of future chapters if you want all your characters to have access to the new areas.

aron searle · Apr 24, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by calamitykell

What I don't get is why it's a big deal in the first place? Even if you have 1 account and 50,000 characters, you still have to re-login to switch.

I think one problem of having 2 accounts is that if you unlock a skill its only on that account so you will need to unlock twice if you want it on both.

+ unless i have gone mad you dont re-login to switch charachter on that account.

(EDIT, theres alse the guild problem. Several people in my guild have 2 accounts meaning we have more people in the guild than are in the guild, errrr so to speak)

Cartoonhero · Apr 24, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

I would really like if they could do it. I have zero fame on my second account, and about the same amount of faction. but i would love if I gave them 9.99 so they could put the one char I play on that account(my warrior) on my main account. I dont want to buy 2 copies of factions, and Im tired of the incesent relogging in and out and trading with friends to transfer stuff to her. I guess I'll be making a new warrior when factions comes out, pity to waste all that time on the old one

Loviatar · Apr 24, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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=felinette]I said the same in another thread. Someone pointed out that if the character has a different fame rating, what would happen? I suppose there could be other issues, too. However, I think that having the transferred characters inherit the settings/ratings/whatever of the account they're transferred to would be reasonable.

right

account A has top rank with everything unlocked.

account B has 4 presear characters.

merge for instant top rank/full unlocks/FORGET IT

Justafyme · Apr 24, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by calamitykell

What I don't get is why it's a big deal in the first place? Even if you have 1 account and 50,000 characters, you still have to re-login to switch.

Because it would make it so you don't have to be running 2 copies of the same game at the same time...(no more reg editing as well) if you wish to give a drop you got on account 1 to a char you have on account 2. There would be no need to trade with yourself as all you chars would be in the same game... and you could just stick it in your storage and retrieve it. Also, now with the way skills work (available from any skill trainer once they have been unlocked)...you wouldn't have to unlock twice. (except for the elites of course)...Furthermore, you don't have to unlock runes and weapon mods twice either. There is a huge difference (and convenience) between having 1 account with 10 million chars on it and having multiple different accounts.

felinette · Apr 24, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

merge for instant top rank/full unlocks/FORGET IT

LOL. Yeah. Perhaps gets the lower of the two would be better.

Starsky-sama · Apr 24, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

I have a 2nd account.

It's a simple /unsignage! from me personally, for this suggestion.

(we did just get the slot purchase thing. I guess its only inherent to move to the next "we want" idea. got no problems with that. good luck!)

Lord Iowerth · Apr 24, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

I'll say /signed for a few simple reasons:

A) I don't want to have to buy multiple copies of each expansion.

B) I haven't bought fissure or anything REALLY expensive on my second account, so I wouldn't mind restarting the characters ... apart from the fact 2 of my second-account toons (monk and mesmer) have 15k armor and holiday items (pumpkin crown, yule cap, horns) that simply CANNOT be replaced ...

C) My second account is collector's edition ... yes, this sucks, but i'd take the no-transfer-of-CE if I could merge the two.

I don't care if skill/item unlocks transfer, fame transfers, faction transfers ... they are just PvE toons that I would like to have a home for on my main account. I would honestly pay the full price of a new game to have the ability, or buy 2-3 new slots, or whatever it would take.

As it is, i'm not going to buy anything extra for the second account ... and hope that ANet would make some sort of concession for those of us who have bought multiple copies (aka, given them MORE money than the average player). I'm not going to whine and cry if they don't, but I can always be optomistic

Zaxan Razor · Apr 24, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Well, it will be good of Anet to add this feature, be it for free of for a fee..especially after all of the unwarranted complaining after the announcement of purchasing slots..BUT there are several things that may have to happen that will probably make the ungrateful people around here unhappy:

1) Delay in merging caused by the sheer number of people with 2 accounts AND all of the data that needs to be merged.

2) Not getting combined fame.

3) Not getting the same level of unlocks on all characters.

4) No refunds after having purchased a second account!

CyberNigma · Apr 24, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

right

account A has top rank with everything unlocked.

account B has 4 presear characters.

merge for instant top rank/full unlocks/FORGET IT

yeah.. it's kinda like this:

account A has 4 character slots with top rank and everything unlocked

pay 9.99 for one new character slot and roll new pre-searing character with top rank/full unlocks/FORGET IT...

oh wait...

:-)

Witchblade · Apr 24, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41

what's wrong with ur 2nd acc?

just use one for play and another for item storage/PS char etc..

u can log the 2 accs at the same time when u need to trade and bring ur 2 chars

Pillz_veritas · Apr 24, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

They should *not* allow the merging of accounts. In my opinion they *should* allow you to cancell an account that you own (it will no longer be playable, all characters on it gone) and add 4 EMPTY slots to your account.

=HT=Ingram · Apr 24, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

there are advantages to having 2 accounts still. not the least of which is having an extra account to loan out to friends you want to introduce to the game. and in this way allowing them to have access to more while still playing with you... so 2nd accounts will not be unheard of, but they will be rarer now. since it seems most got the 2nd account not for friends or family to play with them but for the simple reason of having more storage then they should have, OR for laundering gold from unscrupulous sources....

IN any case. sorry for your bad luck, however I do hope this is NEVER implemented. as the Abuse factor it too great a risk for such a minor issue.

aron searle · Apr 24, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Pillz_veritas

They should *not* allow the merging of accounts. In my opinion they *should* allow you to cancell an account that you own (it will no longer be playable, all characters on it gone) and add 4 EMPTY slots to your account.

And what *reasons* do you have, other than because you say so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

right

account A has top rank with everything unlocked.

account B has 4 presear characters.

merge for instant top rank/full unlocks/FORGET IT

Why not, its the same person?

Its no different from the person just having 8 slots with all chars on, than 8 slots over 2 accounts, still the same player.

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Originally Posted by witchblade

what's wrong with ur 2nd acc?

just use one for play and another for item storage/PS char etc..

u can log the 2 accs at the same time when u need to trade and bring ur 2 chars

Quote:

What's the big deal? Well, if you can't merge accounts, it means you have to buy multiple copies of future chapters if you want all your characters to have access to the new areas.

Quote:

I think one problem of having 2 accounts is that if you unlock a skill its only on that account so you will need to unlock twice if you want it on both.

+ unless i have gone mad you dont re-login to switch charachter on that account.

(EDIT, theres alse the guild problem. Several people in my guild have 2 accounts meaning we have more people in the guild than are in the guild, errrr so to speak)

Quote:

Because it would make it so you don't have to be running 2 copies of the same game at the same time...(no more reg editing as well) if you wish to give a drop you got on account 1 to a char you have on account 2. There would be no need to trade with yourself as all you chars would be in the same game... and you could just stick it in your storage and retrieve it. Also, now with the way skills work (available from any skill trainer once they have been unlocked)...you wouldn't have to unlock twice. (except for the elites of course)...Furthermore, you don't have to unlock runes and weapon mods twice either. There is a huge difference (and convenience) between having 1 account with 10 million chars on it and having multiple different accounts.

TheMosesPHD · Apr 24, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Among the many other things that $50 goes towards, one of things that you're buying when you buy each game is a little slot on their server space, and the $50 for Factions pays for more slots, and also upkeeps the new servers they've bought to run the Factions part of the game. If you pay the $50 for GW A, then you had paid $50 for GW B, then you paid $50 for GWF A, then you pay $10 to merge GW B with GW A/GWF A. Then they're loosing $40 that they would've gotten if you had also bought GWF B, because your GW B accounts would have access to Factions, even if you didn't get 2 more slots from GWF B. If you multiply the number of people with second accounts by the $40 they would lose per person, then you've got Anet losing a lot of their income.

The next dilemma is this. Say you want to justify that if you buy all four games, GW A/GWF A and GW B/GWF B, then you should be able to merge, because both accounts have access to the same thing. Well then, you would have 12 characters, along with any char slots you've purchased all on the same account and all with access to the same things, GW/GWF. Now this is all fine and dandy until about 6 months down the line when Ch.3 comes out. Now you've got two accounts merged into one huge account, so you would only have to buy one copy of Chapter 3, where if you had kept your accounts seperate, you would have to buy two copies. Anet loses $50 per person here. This is the same dilemma as the one in the first paragraph.

So Anet would have to come up with a solution to merging that wouldn't drastically cut back on their profits. They always say they want to appease the customers and make them happy, and they were kind enough to do this by offering purchasable char slots. But Anet is a business, created for profit, so they have to draw the line when providing a service would mean losing potential profit.

If you can find a solution to the dilemmas I presented above, that wouldn't cut away at Anets profit, then throw it out and they might use it. But I don't think just saying you have to buy as many copies of the new chapter as you have accounts merged into your mega account, because if you have two accounts merged, that's you paying $100 per chapter. Now over time people with merged accounts would get tired of paying $100 every 6 months faster than they would get tired of paying 2 sets of $50 a month, because if you have two accounts and you get tired of paying $100 every 6 months, then you still have the option of just ceasing further upgrade of one account and going on to keep paying $50 a month to upgrade your favorite account. So where people with a merged account would quit all together faster than people with multiple unmerged accounts, Anet again would lose potential profit far down the line from merging two accounts into one.

What solution could be created that would allow Anet to make profit and also provide the merging service? Suggest one if you have it, but please don't say you think they should also offer the ability to unmerge accounts, because whether you know it or not, that's a whole other can of siege wurms that would cause much more trouble than it's worth farther down the line.

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

what's wrong with ur 2nd acc?

just use one for play and another for item storage/PS char etc..

u can log the 2 accs at the same time when u need to trade and bring ur 2 chars

Ya, that's what I do. And also with Guild Storage being available for unlocking once factions comes out, if your two accounts are in the same guild you won't even have to bother getting the two instances of GW running at the same time to transfer items between accounts.