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MirkoTeran · Aug 21, 2007, 11:44 AM // 11:44

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Originally Posted by milan

Can't Ebay titles..wanna bet?

oh look, it's possible to easily Ebay I'm very important.

Sad, but true. But the difference between buying IVI title and buying FoW armor is cost. IVI is going to cost you a lot more.

Anyways..
/signed as I can get it

freekedoutfish · Aug 21, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by milan

Can't Ebay titles..wanna bet?

If you want to think with that opinion, then you can say that anything ingame is ebayable, and its not even worth trying to prevent it.

In which case we might aswell all go sit in a cave and just accept that ebay is going to overrun the entire game.

Maybe my idea will or wont help cut back on ebaying, who knows! But if it was to, is it not worth the try?

Effendi Westland · Aug 21, 2007, 12:09 PM // 12:09

My argument is skill > grind.

Sure it takes skill to do all missions on Hardmode, but it takes considerably more skill to figure out how to defeat Mallyx. With the added bonus that if you get it right first go, it only takes 8 hours to do all quests + Mallyx. That cannot be said about getting the Guardian title.

btw.. responding to every /unsigned does not win you the thread. You've explained your case in the OP, your posts are getting repetative after that.

Jumping Is Uselss · Aug 21, 2007, 12:27 PM // 12:27

/signed

I like the idea. What if the only way to max the title was through pvp. If it was through pve it would be a boring grind like SS/LB titles.

RhanoctJocosa · Aug 21, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

/goplaywow

To be very honest.

WasAGuest · Aug 21, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Again with the negativity towards titles. Why does everyone assume that because they think titles are either rubbish or flawed, that everyone else does.

I happen to love gaining titles and I think they are the best thing Anet added. I also love HM so I dont consider any aspect of it a grind!

Try to look at this idea from a perspective other then your own. Not everyone hates these things.

Actually, you need to practice what you are preaching here. I never once said or claimed to assume anyone else didn't like the titles. I'll quote:

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Biggest problem for me here is that the title system...

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One of the few friends left playing this game I know, is working towards all her titles and she loves it. I also never said anyone else didn't like HM. Just because you enjoy these aspects, doesn't mean everyone else does; try seeing it from a perspective other than your own.

Titles are NOT content though, they are just what they are named; titles. You are asking for making titles a mandatory "level grind" of sorts to enable access to actual content (in this case, the content being armor). This is no different than saying people can not access other content until certain title has been achieved. This is very similar to the horribly annoying faction farm quest (10k) to get through the Kurzick and Luxon areas.

Again, not signed. The title you earned is your reward and the one you opted to go after; whereas the armor sets are the reward(s) I opted for and worked towards. (Note: You are asking to force what you find fun on me, by making me grind the titles to get the optional reward of my choice... thus making the titles no longer optional).

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 21, 2007, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Title grinding armor - /notsigned
More accomplishment armor (like FoW, Primevil, and Elite Canthan) - /signed

freekedoutfish · Aug 21, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

(Note: You are asking to force what you find fun on me, by making me grind the titles to get the optional reward of my choice... thus making the titles no longer optional).

Ughh no one would hold a gun to your head and force you to grind those titles, to get this new armor.

Its a choice!!

Your gameplay wont be improved by using this armor.
It wouldnt more powerfull, stronger or give any advantages over other armor.

You talk like your being forced into aquiring this armor, but because you dont like to earn titles yourself you hate the idea.

I could say exactly the same thing about FOW armor, which requires hours of grinding to get gold and rare materials. I think ele FOW is kind of nice, but I dont winge and complain because I dont want to grind for it.

I accept that I wont ever have it and continue playing and use alternative cheaper armor that I can achieve.

I assume you already have max armor for your profession?

So if this new armor was to be introduced and it required LG, would your entire game fall apart or world fall apart if you couldnt get it?

I dont mean to be rude, but you give the impress of being a vanity player who wants the newest stuff all the time regardless of whether you need it.

If that is the case, then you cant say "well just because I dont want to aquire this armor the way its aquired, I dont think it should be added".

As you and I have said, there are people who enjoy grinding and maxing titles and this would be a reward for them. Plus titles have already been made a necessity to gain favor, so why not add to that? Anet has already forced us to max titles to gain favor for 70+ minutes!

But you seem to look at this ideas as..

"Right new armor has been added, I MUST HAVE IT but im being forced to grind through titles".

...im looking at this idea as...

"Ive spent months and nearly a year achieving the best pve title ingame, so I feel some reward would be nice."

It depends on your perspective, but you also have realise armor is optional and im talking about amor that would be available (presumably) at the VERY end of all 3 games and GWEN.

Kind of ultimate armor that you get for completing the ENTIRE game on normal and hard mode. Why isnt that acceptable?

If you play any other game on normal and then hard settings, you tend to get every increasing rewards for completing the game on harder settings.

At the minute we have NO rewards for completing the game in either normal or hard mode other then end game armor. But once you have done the game in normal you have got everything, and you get nothing extra from hard mode.

freekedoutfish · Aug 21, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

/goplaywow

To be very honest.

And my idea is the same as WoW how?

Im failing to see how playing WoW is going to give me my idea!

Saraphim · Aug 21, 2007, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Eh.. can't be bothered to read the whole thread but I don't really have a problem with this idea so...

/signed

but... I do agree titles can be bought, I see people paying for runs through missions all the time. The way I see it, pretty much the only titles that can't be bought are cartographer, of all things. As you actually have to squeeze your ass into every crack on the map yourself.

Or maybe not, I guess you could pay a friend to do it for you.

Agree with the view that the max title track level should be higher than 'I'm Very Important'. Hell, I'm a title slacker and I'm only one away from PKM already.

Plus if you're going to flex your epeen, it might as well be a sizeable one.

D E C E P T I V E · Aug 21, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Life and this world have truly become sad if people have to turn to a video game to feel a sense of accomplishment and pride, and in my opinion that IS NOT and SHOULD NOT BE what video games are about. Feeling a sense of pride and accomplishment is good in things like getting A's in school, being good at what you do for your extracarricular activites wethere its football team or the band, and acheiving those things involvles alot of hard work. Video games are about fun and you shouldnt have to dedicate your life to them to have fun playing them. In fact I hope that the developers get away from the grind altogether, the skill grind, the title grind, the fame grind, and just make the game fun to play so people will play because they think it is fun and not because they want to achieve Rank 12 so they can feel like they are better than the majority of people ingame.

Honestly there are things that are cool about the title system but it really has alot of downfalls in it as well.

HA Rank/Fame Title for example.

This title is really awesome and I love the emote, the downfall of it is what people have turned it into. "Forming R9 SF Spike, need blah, blah, blah....meet under bridge title on" (And ive been away from GW for a while so I dont even know if SF is still viable there because all of the forms of grinding in the game have pretty much turned me off) But my point is, Like I really need to have spent 1000 hours or more getting rank 9 to understand how to spike. Its not that hard, and its a video game people, comeon. Also, just to let you know I have been playing GW over 2 years(spent the first year doing mostly PvE), and Im not complaining because I dont have any rank, Im not a rank 9 by anymeans, I dont have quite that much free time on my hands, but anyways, Im just saying what people have turned the titleing system into sucks.

It is very hard for new people to get into the game in PvP because of this, and with other titles becoming more important I think this will spread into the pve world as well. I have seen players turned down many many times when trying to play in HA because they dont have the required rank. They can join unranked groups there arent many unranked groups there, and not that it takes a rocket scientist to play on any team in HA but putting the unranked groups agianst R9 groups is very frustrating for the newer players and the groups dont stay together for long, and break up after 1 or 2 attempts.

WasAGuest · Aug 21, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

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Your still missing the point;

Lets try this route.

You say you worked for a year to gain your PvE title. There you have it; you got your title. That's your reward. Gratz.

I worked for a year to gain all the sets of 15k armor, vabbian and so on. I now have my reward.

You are saying my "choice" of rewards should be limited by your "choice" of rewards in such a manner that unless I grind my way through your "choice" of rewards, I can't have access to my "choice" of rewards. Would it ruin my game? Actually yes it would. It would put yet more grind into a game I bought that was supposed to be grindless; yet Anet keeps adding this crap grind to it, and titles are the worst offenders. Adding content behind the grind is insulting and well, sucks.

Your comment about vanity player is not rude at all; it's actually rather ironic that you are looking for "unique" armor that few others would have access to; thus vanity is exactly what you are after. You are asking to have it two rewards for your efforts in your title; whereas the title itself is the reward. I too would like something for free; for all those hundreds of hours spent farming for mats and cash should have netted me something more than it did. However, it didn't; therefore, your choice of reward should not either.

Anyway, I've said enough on it. I can't see Anet making a move like this as it would further alienate the casual players by putting things out of their reach. Do they need the stuff? Of course not, titles aren't needed either; but it's all about fun, and limits on what anyone else might find fun is bad. Good luck to you.

freekedoutfish · Aug 21, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Your still missing the point;

I see your point and I totally respect it.

But your going to have to forgive me that I cant see how adding this armor would be "forcing" people or making titles "manditory". My reason for not understanding is (as I said), its all about choice and this armor wouldnt a necessity.

But I dont think we'll agree because we're looking at it from two different perspectives.

I can also relate to how you would feel, because (despite having 4 elite armor sets) Im currently grinding luxon points to get jade for luxon elite armor. Mainly cos I have little else to do.

Plus I admit I can be a vanity player at times. Im currently running around in white vabbian armor, so that says it all.

Kool Pajamas · Aug 21, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

IF IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO DO IT IS NOT GRIND.

You do NOT need to get 15k armors. You do NOT need titles. It is NOT grind. Grinding is when you are required to do it to advance in the game. You can finish the game perfectly fine without getting titles, expensive armor, etc.

The people who say go play wow, probably have never even played wow or any other similar game that actually has grind. You don't know what grind is. Literally.

jrk247 · Aug 21, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Yeah people don't realise it's not grind unless you need to do it to get it, YOU DON'T NEED to get the armor to advance in the game what so ever. Boo Hoo you want every prestige armor set well then if you want the armor earn it. This armor isn't going to have like uber epic awesome stats that are better than any other armor, so it's just another prestige armor for people to work for.

I MP I · Aug 21, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31

/signed Sure why not. As long as it doesn't look like reskinned rubbish armor.

ShadowsRequiem · Aug 21, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

/not signed

If i have to put in 100 hours on some stupid title just to get a piece of armor I want, i'll go play wow

Want a sense of acomplishment? click on your title, thats you're acomplishment, stop trying to change guildwars into a game it clearly isnt

Solas · Aug 21, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

yeah as i think about it more it would be a nice feature but not nessicary.

i loved ab, then those skilsl came out and i fealt i had to have them and made ab seem like a grind inaway i dont want that to happen to PvE

kazjun · Aug 22, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

/not signed

Maybe if it was based only on GWEN titles, but something that requires players to have all 3 chapters? No. I've got all 3, but I know plenty with only one chapter. Are you saying they'd need to go out and buy the other chaps? FoW is core, so all can get, so it's fair. And as bad as grind is, people can still do it if they put in the time. But making people go out to buy the other chapters as a requirement is going too far.

freekedoutfish · Aug 22, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

/not signed

If i have to put in 100 hours on some stupid title just to get a piece of armor I want, i'll go play wow

Want a sense of acomplishment? click on your title, thats you're acomplishment, stop trying to change guildwars into a game it clearly isnt

Your going to have to explain that one to me!

How is adding one set of armor that requires LG to unlock it, changing the entire game into something it isnt? What would this be changing it into?

I really dont understand that statement!

How is this going to fundimentally change anything. Its only an idea to add one extra armor set that requires you have achieved Lengendary Gaurdian to buy it.

Yes I can see the entire Tyrian world calling apart now!!

This need to max titles to achieve stuff is nothing new. You have noticed the favor system has changed? You do know that maxing certain titles effect lockpick survival and salvage survival?

Titles already have incentives to complete them. But because those insentives dont result in a material object, people dont complain. Again the only argument I have seen against this idea is...

"I dont like to max titles, and if I cant have this armor then no one can"

...well I like FOW armor, but you dont see me winging because Im realistic that I will never buy it. The reason being that I hate elite zones and I hate the idea of spending hours farming gold, ectos and shards just for some flashy armor.

But you dont see me complaining about FOW armor do you?

There are countless things ingame that require one level of grind or another to unlock, achieve or buy. Im sure some people consider FOW or Vabbian armor a grind to buy, but they dont complain.

But again, I dont see how adding a title related armor set would fundimentally change the game? I dont mind debating this, but can someone please give a reason against this other then "I dont like to max titles, so it not fair on me".

Because I could use that exact same argument for FOW armor, Vabbian armor, Luxon/Kuzack armor and elite zone green weapons!! Everything in this game requires some level of grind or another, so you cant use that as a reason against it.

You have to put some effort in to get everything, and again its a choice! You dont have to own it!!!