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JeniM · Aug 20, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

Since these armors would be in GWEN, as the OP said, instead of making the armor for things like Legendary Guardian, which would require owning the three previous campaigns, make them tied to the groups we are going to meet in GWEN, I think I remember something about four new titles tied to the different people we will meet, when you max out their title, you get a piece of this new armor, when you max all four, you get the fifth piece to complete the collection. And not when you max the Norn title, you get say the chest piece, you get to choose which piece you want for the people who might find the armor ugly.

4 Races
4 Armor Set's per proffesion

Logic FTW

placebo overdose · Aug 20, 2007, 07:13 PM // 19:13

ok i HATE that idea but to throw you a bone why not make new armor a part of the upcoming mission packs

jrk247 · Aug 20, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

/signed, basically because I'm sick of seeing everyone with FoW just because it's the most expensive armor to get and I've even seen people admit to eBaying every set of FoW they have. So having armor like this would be a nice change even though I'd probably never get it. It would show what people actually spend time to get armor instead of just buying it with money. And it would reduce the amount of sets out there so it would actually be something to admire. I mean back when GW was fresh everyone was like, "Woah FoW armor," now it's like, "Meh FoW armor..." So adding a new money/time sink armor would be nice and would make something for hardcore fans that are waiting for GW2 (not I) to do.

Solas · Aug 20, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

yeah,we need more fow like armour.

this would would be great imo, had my doubts at the start.

did anyone feel fow was for the casual gamer? they did they it was graind free?

no, wasnt nesicary but remained.

maybe gaurdian for a couragious hero aspect

or KoaBD maxed for one, these would be hard to get ,hece the point, and it is OPTIONAL, like fow?
did ye complain, "oh fow is too hard to get, make it made with only cloth and dust"

/sign

wetsparks · Aug 20, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by JeniM

4 Races
4 Armor Set's per proffesion

Logic FTW

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, beyond those four armor sets is a fifth, that you can only get pieces to my maxing the titles in GWEN.

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Originally Posted by me

...four new titles tied to the different people we will meet, when you max out their title, you get a piece of this new armor, when you max all four, you get the fifth piece to complete the collection...

Plz read.

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Originally Posted by freakedoutfish

What im trying to suggest is having rewards for maxing certain titles other then just having it look nice to show under your name.

I understand wanting people to play in HM and to own all three previous chapters. But frankly, HM is just gimmicky with the double everything approach and that is why most people don't like to play there. And I also understand that they want people to buy other chapters they don't already own, but if you are going to do something, at least make it better than just armor that you only get after beating gimmick mode.

bilateralrope · Aug 20, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by Etta

I'll sign only if the armor has an anti-gravity build in like those musaat have. Because if you're a VIP, you might as well be walking on air.

Well I have been wanting armours that actually look magical for a while now, though I was thinking more like a Margonite semi-transparent arm effect. And since these armours will require a lot of work to acquire, it makes sense that they should look really special.

However I agree that the stats should be identical to the current max stat armours

freekedoutfish · Aug 20, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Well I have been wanting armours that actually look magical for a while now, though I was thinking more like a Margonite semi-transparent arm effect. And since these armours will require a lot of work to acquire, it makes sense that they should look really special.

However I agree that the stats should be identical to the current max stat armours

Well I wasnt suggesting the armor be more powerfull or strong then other elite armor. It would have normal max stats depending on the profession as all other armor does ingame.

It would purely be very nice looking, grand armor that looks impressive and....epic! *shrugs*

milan · Aug 20, 2007, 10:08 PM // 22:08

A thank you for getting max titles...a reward for getting max titles.

The reward for getting a max title is funnily enough a max title.

I'd agree with quest linked armour pieces etc but not to legendary guardian/Ivi etc.

/unsigned

WasAGuest · Aug 21, 2007, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Again with the anti title speach. I dont mean this to sound bad, but no one forcing you to grind those titles. If you dont like titles, then dont earn them! If my idea was to be implimented, you wouldnt be forced or need to unlock these armor sets. It wouldnt improve your gameplay and it wouldnt be a necessity to continue. Titles and any max armor is purely optional. You can choose and pick which ever armor you want, but you dont need to own every existing kind of armor.

The only argument I have heard so far against this ideas is...

"Well if I dont like to earn titles and if I cant have this armor, then no one can, so im not signed!!"

...and that seems a rather childish attitude to me.

Understand this: title are optional and this armor would be optional. You wouldnt have to own it and no one would be forcing you!

It would be purely a thankyou from Anet and a reward for taking the time to earn Legendary Gaudrian or some other high end title. Are people seriously suggesting that Legendary Gaurdian is a grind, despite all you have to do is complete all parts of a mission a couple of times?

Why do you play PvE if you dont enjoy re-doing missions?

If you consider earning LG a grind, then you must consider rolling a whole new character a grind because its basically the same principle!

Titles are supposed to be a fun alternative thing to do right? They are supposed to be something you opt to, or opt not to do right? I think we agree with that.
15k armor (for example) is also supposed to be fun and optional right? I think we agree with that as well.

What you are saying is tie one optional thing to another, thusly making the first optional thing no longer optional if one wishes to gain the second option.
Therefore, that title becomes mandatory grind (or a wall) in order for the player to get what he/she actually desires. It would be no different in saying you can't have access to X title until you grab 5 sets of 15k armor and at least one set of FoW.
Biggest problem for me here is that the title system in GW sucks so bad, it drains the fun out of the game; however I did enjoy gaining and even working towards affording that armor I wanted. If I had to (and yes HAD to) grind out some stupid title before I was even allowed to purchase the "optional" armor, yet more fun would be removed from the game.

So, it's a bad idea in simply that it removes this "optional" choice even you are preaching and makes it mandatory for some players - as some players enjoy gaining lots of armor sets (as shown with the HoM coming out and the ability to showcase the sets you have earned).

As for your example of LG; it is grind. HM is supposed to also be optional and something to do after you have finished the game in NM. This further presses optional titles and optional game modes as mandatory for some players to get what they want.

I guess to put it simply; if having a title isn't enough reason in itself to have, then perhaps that title isn't one you should be working at getting.

/not signed again; still a really bad idea.

Sleeper Service · Aug 21, 2007, 04:01 AM // 04:01

i kind of like it (added content is allways good imo) but i think this is what we may be getting (or something simmilar) in GW2 anyways.

No one is forcing anyone to get titles, there are plenty of other things to do in this game....if you feel OBLIGED to get titles and yet you dont enjoy it....something is wrong.

October Jade · Aug 21, 2007, 06:00 AM // 06:00

I remember seeing Fishh in the title notification text within the past week or so. Congrats to you.

However...although I don't recall which title it was that you achieved, it seems suspiciously convenient that it was probably Legendary Guardian. If that is indeed the case, the credibility of this idea is gone. It essentially becomes "I have an achievement that other people do not; how can I milk it for more of an advantage over everyone else?"

Not to mention that there is no system in place for ranking max titles among each other. Who are you to decide that the Exploration titles are more or less significant than Skill Hunter? To create a special armor skin for each and every one of them is an impossibility, and inevitably some people would feel slighted because their title of choice isn't "the one."

/not signed.

edit: fixed a syntax error. Lack of proofreading ftl.

Witchblade · Aug 21, 2007, 07:57 AM // 07:57

/not fu**ing signed -.-

Titles are optional prestige content, so not supposed to get you extra stuff
You wanna see more and more gold sellers ? you'd have to ebay yer "Epic Armor"

Charlotte the Harlot · Aug 21, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Seems like a cool idea it would definitely be only for the legendary titles that you get from having multiple titles of the same type (cartog, guardian, skill hunter, vanquisher). These are the titles that take the most skill and for the most part aren't grind guardian probably having the least grind of all pve titles and taking the most skill (vanquisher might be about as hard more time consuming for sure tho). Giving an armor for completing the biggest accomplishments in pve game play seems like a pretty good idea to me.

/signed

jrk247 · Aug 21, 2007, 09:20 AM // 09:20

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

/not fu**ing signed -.-

Titles are optional prestige content, so not supposed to get you extra stuff
You wanna see more and more gold sellers ? you'd have to ebay yer "Epic Armor"

That's the whole idea behind adding a title (or titles) that you can't just buy with real money, so it would actually be work to get this armor not just the money/mats that are needed (not saying it's not work to get FoW if you get it the legit way). So this would reduce the amount of people just buying real money for this armor, sure they can buy the money and mats but they'd still have to actually play the game to earn the armor.

I really don't know why people don't sign for this, if you don't want the armor don't get it. Are you afraid someone else will have a more prestigious
armor set than you? -__-

Lykan · Aug 21, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

No

12 chars....

freekedoutfish · Aug 21, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

/not fu**ing signed -.-

Titles are optional prestige content, so not supposed to get you extra stuff
You wanna see more and more gold sellers ? you'd have to ebay yer "Epic Armor"

Lets assume all you had to do was get that max title and you had access to the armor, without any need for gold or materials (I know its a change to my original idea). Explain to me then how you could possible ebay that armor?

And even if you still did need the gold and materials, you still need to max that title firt which takes effort.

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Originally Posted by October Jade

I remember seeing Fishh in the title notification text within the past week or so. Congrats to you.

However...although I don't recall which title it was that you achieved, it seems suspiciously convenient that it was probably Legendary Guardian. If that is indeed the case, the credibility of this idea is gone. It essentially becomes "I have an achievement that other people do not; how can I milk it for more of an advantage over everyone else?"

Not to mention that there are is no system in place for ranking max titles among each other. Who are you to decide that the Exploration titles are more or less significant than Skill Hunter? To create a special armor skin for each and every one of them is an impossibility, and inevitably some people would feel slighted because their title of choice isn't "the one."

/not signed.

You probably did see me achieve legendary skill hunter and VIP. So no I dont have legendary gaurdian, but I am 8 missions away from it. But how can you say my opinion isnt credible just because I already have some maxed titles? That is just arrogant!

Ofcourse I'm going to suggest this idea if I have already maxed most of them, why else woulld I suggest it?

And are you going to suggest that completing all 3 games in both NM and HM isnt an achievement worthy of rewarding? Ofcourse LG has a higher status then exploration, skill hunter, the widsdom or treasure hunter titles or any other pve title. LG show you have put the effort into completing the game to the hardest setting.

Im not devaluing any other max titles, because I have most of them. I worked hard for them and they are just as impressive as the other. But LG is far more important then most!

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Biggest problem for me here is that the title system in GW sucks so bad, it drains the fun out of the game; however I did enjoy gaining and even working towards affording that armor I wanted. If I had to (and yes HAD to) grind out some stupid title before I was even allowed to purchase the "optional" armor, yet more fun would be removed from the game.

So, it's a bad idea in simply that it removes this "optional" choice even you are preaching and makes it mandatory for some players - as some players enjoy gaining lots of armor sets (as shown with the HoM coming out and the ability to showcase the sets you have earned).

As for your example of LG; it is grind. HM is supposed to also be optional and something to do after you have finished the game in NM. This further presses optional titles and optional game modes as mandatory for some players to get what they want.

Again with the negativity towards titles. Why does everyone assume that because they think titles are either rubbish or flawed, that everyone else does.

I happen to love gaining titles and I think they are the best thing Anet added. I also love HM so I dont consider any aspect of it a grind!

Try to look at this idea from a perspective other then your own. Not everyone hates these things.

Abnaxus · Aug 21, 2007, 09:40 AM // 09:40

/signed, but with some exceptions.

I've always thought that the whole system to get FoW or Vabbian armor is one of the biggest mistakes in the game design, as it requires to grind for gold and is the only reason that keeps the ebay gold sellers alive.

Less than 1 week after NF was released, I saw a dervish with FoW armor.
Well, it's hard to believe that dervish in less than 1 week was able to collect 105 ectos+shards playing or farming in FoW and UW lol.
I also bought my dervish a vabbian as soon as I reached Kodash, and I'll probably do the same for my paragon, ok I like the skin but I feel I somehow cheated, using the gold earned with another char for it.

No achievement is requied to get a FoW armor, just ectos and shards in your storage. And those can be obtained farming endless hours in UW or somewhere else, ebaying or even without playing at all, just sitting in Kamadan and trading, without killing a single foe.

Same is for tormented weapons. You can buy the armbrace and get one without killing a single foe in DoA. Wrong game design imo.

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That said, it's clear that end-game armors like primeval are much more valuable than Vabbian or FoW, because they require 1 achievement, that is very easy but at least is an achievement.

That's the line to follow.

When you became guardian of a continent, you are allowed to craft i.e. the Tyrian Guardian Armor. If you own all 3 campaigns, you can achieve the Legendary Guardian armor.
The cost could be something like 15k per piece + normal materials. Skill should be rewarded, not gold amassing.

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Now, which titles should be considered for a special armor?

Guardian of course, one for each continent + the legendary one.

Vanquisher is something in between, it's a lot of grind but you need to fight, so I'd be undecided about that.

All other titles I think are pure grind, even cartographer. I have both Tyria and Cantha GMC, and I know they don't require combat skill, just endless hours facing the walls, that is no skill and 100% grind.

Effendi Westland · Aug 21, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

/not signed

I don't like getting titles. I do like getting the armor I like, this would force me to go get titles if I happen to like one of the armors you can get.

Put an armor crafter somewhere behind the endboss of an elite mission, that would make much more sense to me. Take Mallyx for instance, very few people are able to beat him now that he must be dealt with head-on, doing that is an achievement that warrents some elite armor in my opinion.

milan · Aug 21, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

Can't Ebay titles..wanna bet?

You can find just about every service in game if you offer the right amount of gold for it.

WTB Alcohol
WTB Sweets
WTB Masters Run
WTB HM Masters
WTB Leveller
WTB Un'id Golds
WTB Elite Tomes

You've all probably seen those. Lets see how many max titles that makes.

Drunkard
Sweet Tooth
Protector (3)
Guardian (4)
Survivor
Wisdom
Skill Hunter (4)

oh look, it's possible to easily Ebay I'm very important.

freekedoutfish · Aug 21, 2007, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

/not signed

I don't like getting titles. I do like getting the armor I like, this would force me to go get titles if I happen to like one of the armors you can get.

Put an armor crafter somewhere behind the endboss of an elite mission, that would make much more sense to me. Take Mallyx for instance, very few people are able to beat him now that he must be dealt with head-on, doing that is an achievement that warrents some elite armor in my opinion.

I can then use the exact argument against you're idea.

I dont like playing elite zones, I hate them infact because I find them a grind and personally not fun. For that reason I can then say we shouldn't have elite zone armors at the end of elite zones because I could never get it.

See how that works?

However, I wouldnt say that. I would fully accept them putting elite zone armors into the game because Im not spitefull. Even if the armor was really nice, I would accept that I could never get it because it. I would never try to because I wouldnt enjoy the process of getting there.

So why is it so unacceptable to have armor that wouuld require maxed titles, just because you personally dont like maxing titles?

The armor may be nice, but you dont have to own it. We have dozens of alternative armors ingame to use, so you can't argue that its unfair to have one set you cant reach just because you dont like the road to reaching it.

It wouldnt be any stronger or more powerfull then your existing max set, so its not going to give a huge advantage. Your opinion is purely driven by vanity and the want to own something that looks nice then what you already have.

Is it really that hard to see someone in a set of armor, and not be spitefull just because you cant aquire it (because you dont like the process of doing so)?

There is an attitude in this game of "well if I dont like the road to unlocking that particular armor, weapon or object, then no one can have it!". How is that far on those who have put the effort into actually achieveing that goal?

There are players ingame (like myself) who like maxing titles, while others done. Just as some players love elite zones, while others hate them! There are nice looking weapons that are only attainable inside elite zones, but you dont see me winging that I cant get them!