Curse

freekedoutfish · Aug 20, 2007, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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You have to laught because they have pretty much done what I suggested in GWEN. You cant get Norn armor unless you get a certain rank in their reputation title. So woop!!

Along the same lines anyway.

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I realise that GWEN is soon to be released and they might add some kinda of (what I would call) Epic armor, which is armor on a grander scale.

But the idea is simply that you would have an armor set which can only be bought after you have achieved certain max titles. Note I say titles, but I'm thinking primarily the legendary guardian title and the IVIP title!

You would still need to collect the gold, materials and rare materials for the armor. However you could only purchase it after you have achieved (for instance) legendary guardian or IVIP.

I'm focusing on legendary guardian primarily, because it would act as an incentive to do hard mode, and with the new Favor system, we need to incourage people to max titles!

Because all current armors are just a case of getting to point A or B and buying it, you dont get a real feeling of accomplishment when wearing it.

If we had armor which could only be bought after maxing certain (tougher) titles, then it would feel more of an accomplishment and you would have more pride in wearing it. Some people will say that GWs isnt about showing off armor and feeling l33t. But if that was the case, then why did Anet change armor names to include the names "elite"!

Whether it was called epic armor or something else I dont know, but it would have to be on a grander scale then other armors. Something you would notice when standing in an outpost.

Maybe have all professions be natually white and shining metal armor. Kind of king like! You could have it be craftable in the Hall of Monuments after you add certain max titles to your records!

As I said, GWEN is soon out and we dont know what elite armors will look like, so they might do grander gear yet!

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Originally Posted by jrk247

/signed, basically because I'm sick of seeing everyone with FoW just because it's the most expensive armor to get and I've even seen people admit to eBaying every set of FoW they have. So having armor like this would be a nice change even though I'd probably never get it. It would show what people actually spend time to get armor instead of just buying it with money. And it would reduce the amount of sets out there so it would actually be something to admire. I mean back when GW was fresh everyone was like, "Woah FoW armor," now it's like, "Meh FoW armor..." So adding a new money/time sink armor would be nice and would make something for hardcore fans that are waiting for GW2 (not I) to do.

jrk247 made a good point.

This would solve a major issue about people ebaying the gold for armor. Lets assume you didnt require the gold or materials once it was unlocked (i know it would change the idea slightly). You would have an armor set that you had no choice but to earn yourself, and it would be impossible to resort to ebaying or other methods to make gold for it.

As jrk247 mentioned. one reason FOW and other expensive elite armors have lost their status is because players ebay (or use ther methods) to make the vast gold required which could be concidered illegal.

The end result is we have an armor set that could be considered truly "elite", and would require actual effort and achievement to attain. No cheating or getting around it! All your own work! That cant be a bad thing right?

Alexandra-Sweet · Aug 20, 2007, 10:40 AM // 10:40

/signed

Even though I think it should require the ''My Apartment Smells of Rich Mahogany'' title, which might be introduced in GW:EN.

Elena · Aug 20, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

grinding titles for armor ? not in my game!

Boone · Aug 20, 2007, 11:00 AM // 11:00

just because I don't like title-grinding doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to get armor I want.

bilateralrope · Aug 20, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Well this might actually give me an incentive to work towards the title, instead of just helping guildies who are working towards it and leaving the last few parts incomplete as I usually can't be bothered finishing up the parts they hero/henched.

As for encouraging people to get the titles, as of this post we have 1'238 minutes (20 hours, 38 minutes) of favor remaining. This is higher than about 700 minutes at a similar time yesterday so at a brief glance I'd say that getting favor simply isn't a problem.

Personally I divide titles up into two groups, the grind titles (where you repeat one action over and over, like drunkard or allegiance) and the task-list titles (where you need to complete a list of tasks, but only need to get each title once, like cartographer or protector). Personally I'd prefer that armours are only linked to the task-list titles. However I'll only object to armours linked to the LDOA and survivor titles because there are many characters who are permanently unable to get them.

/signed for task-based title armours
/meh for grind-based title armours
/unsigned for LDOA and survivor based title armors

Abedeus · Aug 20, 2007, 11:09 AM // 11:09

You already have to grind money to get armor. You want to grind titles, too? No way, not signed.

Dev121 · Aug 20, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

Good Idea->

You dont have to grind for the armor its your choice , serioursly you cant just bash ideas because your inable/lazy to go for the titles. It would be far better if they added sets for titles then even people who dont farm all day and do titles can have a sense of accomplishment.

/Signed.

T. Drake · Aug 20, 2007, 11:29 AM // 11:29

Grinding out the factions allegiance for skills was already a bad idea.
If I don't have to grind for the titles until GW2 is out , I might do it but not otherwise.

Etta · Aug 20, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

I'll sign only if the armor has an anti-gravity build in like those musaat have. Because if you're a VIP, you might as well be walking on air.

freekedoutfish · Aug 20, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by Elena

grinding titles for armor ? not in my game!

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Originally Posted by Boone

just because I don't like title-grinding doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to get armor I want.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

You already have to grind money to get armor. You want to grind titles, too? No way, not signed.

This armor isnt a necessity though. If it was then I would agree with those comments. But its not.

You have countless other max-normal and max-elite armors to buy ingame. All ranging from 1k to 15k. So if you dont want to "grind a title" to buy this armor then you dont have to. This armor would be primarily a reward and an incentive to max certain titles.

You're bound to have certain players who think "damn you, I want every armor set ingame, but I dont want to grind a title to get it". But why should that stop them adding the armor?

Just because one person doesnt want to put a certain amount of effort in to achieve something, doesnt mean it shouldnt be added.

Plus I dont concider maxing legendary Gaudrian a grind! I concider anyone who aims for both protector and gaurdian worthy of some respect! If you think trying to complete all bonuses and masters in NM and HM is a grind, then i have to question your dedication to the PvE apect of the game.

If you dont want to achieve protector and gaurdian, then that is your choice. But alot of players (like myself) get great satisfaction from it and it would be nice to have a reward for doing that.

But we do need some incentive to max titles now because of the favor system, and we badly, desperately need some way to incourage hard mode playing.

If that icentive is a unique, epic armor set then great! Why not reward that?

MithranArkanere · Aug 20, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Well... you have to beat Shiro to get the Elite Imperial and Elite Exotic armors, beat Abaddon to get to the Primeval, and make some quest in order to get to the Obsidian armor crafter.

I would agree with more thing like that, but titles? No.
Titles are optional. I have quite plenty of them, but I don't want to haver others forced to grind for some titles just because others did.

Imagine if only those who got max luxon/kurcick were able to get elite luxon/kutcick armor...

Geez...

WasAGuest · Aug 20, 2007, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Titles are, IMO, the worst GW has to offer. They are generally boring to grind for and pointless to have. With the exception of very few titles, I wish they had never been added, or at least added in as titles and not as supplemental content.

A reason to work for them? Bleh, I want to enjoy my game time, not have it feel like work. I love the art of GW and armor is part of the art. Adding grinding titles to a part of the game I do enjoy would further destroy what was a great game at one time.

Horrible idea, sorry.

/no way in any way shape or form signed.

Onarik Amrak · Aug 20, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Titles are, IMO, the worst GW has to offer. They are generally boring to grind for and pointless to have. With the exception of very few titles, I wish they had never been added, or at least added in as titles and not as supplemental content.

A reason to work for them? Bleh, I want to enjoy my game time, not have it feel like work. I love the art of GW and armor is part of the art. Adding grinding titles to a part of the game I do enjoy would further destroy what was a great game at one time.

Horrible idea, sorry.

/no way in any way shape or form signed.

You lost me there. So you want titles to be added in as titles? Say what?

And you don't want additional content to be added as supplemental content? Huh?

You're speaking in tongues.

Anyway, it would be nice.

JeniM · Aug 20, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

/signed
Sick of Anet going on about "the casual player"

More of game completed should = more rewards
And titles are part of the game

Shadowmoon · Aug 20, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

/sign
But only for the non grind titles, the "task-list" ones. Guardian is not a grind, want to know what is a grind, allience, teasure hunter, wisdom. I'd say vanquisher is also somewhat of hybrid between the two, seeing how even if it is a different zone, they do get repeatative.
I say legendary Guardian is a winner, gives reasons to strive for it, and it not much of a grind, doing a mission 2 times on different difficulties is not a grind, do the FFF 12 thousand times(this is the number of times needed for savior of kurzick) if you want a grind.

freekedoutfish · Aug 20, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Titles are, IMO, the worst GW has to offer. They are generally boring to grind for and pointless to have. With the exception of very few titles, I wish they had never been added, or at least added in as titles and not as supplemental content.

A reason to work for them? Bleh, I want to enjoy my game time, not have it feel like work. I love the art of GW and armor is part of the art. Adding grinding titles to a part of the game I do enjoy would further destroy what was a great game at one time.

Horrible idea, sorry.

/no way in any way shape or form signed.

Again with the anti title speach. I dont mean this to sound bad, but no one forcing you to grind those titles. If you dont like titles, then dont earn them! If my idea was to be implimented, you wouldnt be forced or need to unlock these armor sets. It wouldnt improve your gameplay and it wouldnt be a necessity to continue. Titles and any max armor is purely optional. You can choose and pick which ever armor you want, but you dont need to own every existing kind of armor.

The only argument I have heard so far against this ideas is...

"Well if I dont like to earn titles and if I cant have this armor, then no one can, so im not signed!!"

...and that seems a rather childish attitude to me.

Understand this: title are optional and this armor would be optional. You wouldnt have to own it and no one would be forcing you!

It would be purely a thankyou from Anet and a reward for taking the time to earn Legendary Gaudrian or some other high end title. Are people seriously suggesting that Legendary Gaurdian is a grind, despite all you have to do is complete all parts of a mission a couple of times?

Why do you play PvE if you dont enjoy re-doing missions?

If you consider earning LG a grind, then you must consider rolling a whole new character a grind because its basically the same principle!

JeniM · Aug 20, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

The only argument I have heard so far against this ideas is...

"Well if I dont like to earn titles and if I cant have this armor, then no one can, so im not signed!!"

...and that seems a rather childish attitude to me.

Understand this: title are optional and this armor would be optional. You wouldnt have to own it and no one would be forcing you!

He's not asking for 160 Armor on each peice only a flashy look

As OP said it wouldn't affect game play and if you choose to miss titles thats your problem

Before you say "Anet want to make everything availible to everyone so nobodys left out" explain the mini's only avilable through magazines not every country gets

I do feel Anet neglect the hardcore gamers sometimes and listen to the people that (in this case) can't be bothered working for it so say nobody should get it

If honestly can't submitt enough time and are a casual player then why would you care what armor others have? you see it 5hr/week ?

EDIT : I quoted that as thats exacly how i feel, didn't make the reason for quoting clear in my post

wetsparks · Aug 20, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Since these armors would be in GWEN, as the OP said, instead of making the armor for things like Legendary Guardian, which would require owning the three previous campaigns, make them tied to the groups we are going to meet in GWEN, I think I remember something about four new titles tied to the different people we will meet, when you max out their title, you get a piece of this new armor, when you max all four, you get the fifth piece to complete the collection. And not when you max the Norn title, you get say the chest piece, you get to choose which piece you want for the people who might find the armor ugly.

freekedoutfish · Aug 20, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

Since these armors would be in GWEN, as the OP said, instead of making the armor for things like Legendary Guardian, which would require owning the three previous campaigns, make them tied to the groups we are going to meet in GWEN, I think I remember something about four new titles tied to the different people we will meet, when you max out their title, you get a piece of this new armor, when you max all four, you get the fifth piece to complete the collection. And not when you max the Norn title, you get say the chest piece, you get to choose which piece you want for the people who might find the armor ugly.

Thats likely to happen anyway, or atleast some kind of armor related to the different new races like we have luxon and kuzack in factions. How you aquire that is anyones guess.

What im trying to suggest is having rewards for maxing certain titles other then just having it look nice to show under your name.

There is nothing wrong with having armor that would require you own all 3 games, because we have titles which require you own all 3 games. If you can have one, then why not the other?

You need all 3 games to aquire all possible heroes too! This idea already exists, so why not branch it out into armor?

The idea is that this armor would be a reward for completing all 3 games on the hardest setting possible and for guarding the tyrian world the best you can!

You cant do that if it doesnt include all 3!

We also need something to incourage players doing HM and to have a unique armor set available only to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, it would be a huge insentive! Armor being one the most sort after things ingame.

I like your idea too, but thats likely to be implimented anyway I expect.

John Bloodstone · Aug 20, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

To be honest I don't like this idea whole lot. Getting an armour piece as a reward for completing a series of quests or missions? sure. Having to grind out a max title - No thanks.

I think titles should be there as a small reward for people willing to put in the time to achieve them. They should not be a pre-requisite to getting actual items in the game.

The overall cost of an ascended armour set is enough of a barrier to the average player as is, why add yet another obstacle to obtaining nice armour? Isn't this game supposed to be about the fun and not grinding?

On a little aside - I think A-Net knew what they were getting into when they added titles to the game. A certain percentage of the hardcore GW players wanted something to show for the hours they were putting into the game, titles gave them that. However they must also know that offering more than a trivial reward for time spent could be a slippery slope - the more they start to reward time spent, the more people will demand it, and the more it slides towards being a bog-standard MMORPG.