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axe · Sep 10, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I would love to pay $40 USD for a PvP only expansion to GW that offered some new options for those that like PvP or would like to begin PvPing.

All of this expansions arenas would reward you with a new title track (that would ultimately increase your faction cap) "Arena Title" (for lack of a better title track name).There would be Merchants that would sell you items (weapons, armors, etc...) that were sold for fixed amounts of faction (therefore if your faction cap was lower than a particular item you wanted, then you would need to raise your cap as well as saving up the faction to buy the item). This title track would get progressively harder to increase in ranks in the upper tiers, and the various arenas that award the Arena points would vary in point awards based on their level of difficulty.

The Character Slot: You would be granted one additional Character slot with this expansion that would be a PvP only character, but it would be a special character that could change Primary and Secondary class at any given time. This special character would have all the skills unlocked for play in the new PvP expansion only, play outside of this expansion would require that you own the corresponding chapter of Guild Wars and have that skill unlocked.

Arenas: There will be new arenas as well as test/practice equivalents of those arenas. In the testing equivalent you would be able to setup multiple team builds that would be randomly selected to oppose you and your teammates on various maps to simulate expected battles in the arena you are choosing to practice in. For example I could choose to play in an HA like arena which would have all the current maps/mechanics. I could then setup several meta builds that would become random encounters as I progressed through the various maps of HA. This would be great for beginners and pros alike as it would give you some indication of how certain skill bars play against the current meta builds (though limited by Hero AI on the opposing teams)

1) Tomb of the Primeval Kings Arena: This would be the old Heroes ascent and contain the exact maps that were used back in the day. The mechanics would be the same as they were as well (we all know we loved Altar Cap) This arena could POSSIBLY be limited to Prophecies only classes/skills.

2) 8v8 Random Arena. This would include new maps built for 8v8 random teams. Leavers would be punished by decreasing in your arena title track.

3) PUG "GvG" style arena. This would be all the current and future GvG maps but made available for Puging. This arena would offer fast advancement in your arena title track for wins, but at the risk of losing title track points for losses. Daily and Monthly leaderboards would be available to view top teams during the given timeframe based on wins/losses (these teams would be identified as a "team" by having 4 members that were always present in order to accumulate points for the leaderboard) Top 10 leaderboard teams would receive additional Arena points for that timeframe.

4) True 12v12 Organized Alliance Battles. Self explanitory really, would award you with alliance faction as well as advancement in your arena title track.

5) Sealed Deck Random and Team Arenas. Using current maps, you would enter the arena and talk to an NPC that will grant you a Primary class and a choice of 2 secondary classes with a random selection of skills (maybe 30 to choose from 20 primary skills, and 5 of each secondary) you could then advertise your skill bar in the TA version and get in a team with some synergy, or you could click the enter mission button on the RA version. EDIT: (Forgot to elaborate and thanks to FelixCarter for pointing this out) but you would be given a skill set that would be active for a given time frame (1/2 hour or whatever would be acceptable) which would work as follows: A) you go to the NPC and get a skillset. These skills would be "forced on you in the Sealed deck outpost for the next 1/2 hour. B) While in battle you will retain this skill for as long as you remain battling (consecutive wins can streak for a long time) C) When you return to the sealed deck outposts you can adjust your skill bar using your current skill set until that 1/2 hour has expired. In which case you must visit the NPC to gain a new skill set. Something like that.

6) Draft style tournaments 4v4 where each player is given a set of skills to select 1 skill from, then pass the remainder of the skills to the player next in line until all the skills have been chosen.

None of the arena's in the PvP expansion would offer observer mode unless granted permission from both participating parties. (high ranked teams would be presented with an option before the battle started if it was OK to display the events about to take place.

And finally a little bit of PVE flavor splashed in. There would be a zone that has all the statues of the gods. Youre special PvP character would be able to form parties in this zone and would be able to travel to the Fow/UW if their region had favor, which would be determined by winning battles in the Hall of Heroes within Tombs of the Primeval Kings

I have always wanted to be able to enter these zones on PvP characters as I dont have a ton of time to "build" a PVE character and obtain the specific skills that I wanted to try at the time., I just think this would be fun.

I didnt have much time to write this up so sorry if its lacking details, I am hoping that suggestions are made and this can be fine tuned, but really I doubt any of this will ever happen, its more of wishful thinking really.

FelixCarter · Sep 10, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by axe

The Character Slot: You would be granted one additional Character slot with this expansion that would be a PvP only character, but it would be a special character that could change Primary and Secondary class at any given time.

I think ANet tried to make that class. It didn't go so well.

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Originally Posted by axe

1) Tomb of the Primeval Kings Arena: This would be the old Heroes ascent and contain the exact maps that were used back in the day. The mechanics would be the same as they were as well (we all know we loved Altar Cap) This arena could POSSIBLY be limited to Prophecies only classes/skills.

If it's an expansion, you can't limit what is contained in the expansion based off what campaigns people own. Not unless you have at least one and equivalent thing from each campaign.

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Originally Posted by axe

5) Sealed Deck Random and Team Arenas. Using current maps, you would enter the arena and talk to an NPC that will grant you a Primary class and a choice of 2 secondary classes with a random selection of skills (maybe 30 to choose from 20 primary skills, and 5 of each secondary) you could then advertise your skill bar in the TA version and get in a team with some synergy, or you could click the enter mission button on the RA version.

Why random? I'd just keep clicking on him 'till he gave me good skills.

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Originally Posted by axe

6) Draft style tournaments 4v4 where each player is given a set of skills to select 1 skill from, then pass the remainder of the skills to the player next in line until all the skills have been chosen.

Are these universal skills like the ones seen in the Asura and Norn title track?

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Originally Posted by axe

And finally a little bit of PVE flavor splashed in. There would be a zone that has all the statues of the gods. Youre special PvP character would be able to form parties in this zone and would be able to travel to the Fow/UW if their region had favor, which would be determined by winning battles in the Hall of Heroes within Tombs of the Primeval Kings

I have always wanted to be able to enter these zones on PvP characters as I dont have a ton of time to "build" a PVE character and obtain the specific skills that I wanted to try at the time., I just think this would be fun.

I'd buy the expansion, make my first 55 Monk for PvP, and get to farming UW.
I'm pretty sure everyone else would do the same.
It's a nice idea and worth it for an expansion, but I'd say you wouldn't be able to recieve any drops while in the PvP mode of UW or FoW.

Nice udeas, but give it a little more thought and time to grow. It'd be cool to give the PvP side of GW an expansion (I wouldn't buy it because I don't play PvP).

Servant of Kali · Sep 10, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

It's not a bad idea but....

What's the point of PvP expansion at this moment? Would I buy it? No. Why? Because ANet has enough of problems with current system.

- PvP is becoming like PvE (heroes) = no thanks
- Skill balances.. wow it took a lot of time to get that to some decent level. They were making skills overpowered and underpowered on purpose (no kidding). Still a lot of work to do, a work which doesn't require enough time, just will.
- Paragon has a totally flawed mechanism; not talking just about skills, take a look at Primary Attribute to see how flawed it is. The whole class needs a redesign which ofc won't happen.
- Jade Quarry = lol
- Fort aspenwood leechers killing the map = lol

...etc.

Don't get me wrong, GW still has the best RPG PvP I've seen, and congrats on that. But it's not good enough to convince me to buy PvP-only expansion.

axe · Sep 10, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by FelixCarter

If it's an expansion, you can't limit what is contained in the expansion based off what campaigns people own. Not unless you have at least one and equivalent thing from each campaign.

I did address this somewhere when I said that the new PvP character slot would have access to all the skills and character classes of all the expansions. They would only be able to use those skills/classes in the "expanded" PvP areas.

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Originally Posted by FelixCarter

Why random? I'd just keep clicking on him 'till he gave me good skills.

Good point, I'll update (I did think of this and just forgot to post it)

Thanks for taking the time to read and post, I appreciate it! Maybe if it gets some support I will try to clean it up and make it more detailed, but truthfully as you said... you wouldnt buy it. If most players wouldnt buy it, then its really not even worth discussing I guess.

Servant of Kali · Sep 10, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

*sorry wrong post pls delete*

wheel-of-doom · Sep 10, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Hell freaking yes I'd want a PvP only expansion. They could add like 20 maps to every arena(although they'd probably just reskin old ones).

I'd definitely want some new arena ideas, the 8v8 random arenas would be interesting and maybe if they made instead of just "the old heroes ascent" they could just do as 6v6 arenas, not sure about the pug gvg because I cant see it being too popular.

It doesn't need any splash of pve.

I don't like the idea of one title for multiple arenas.

I would love for them to add things unlockable/buyable for more than 10k facton, so the faction cap actually has some sort of use. And people have somethign to buy after they've unlocked everything(besides tournament tokens).

They could entitle it "Guild Wars: Keep Dreaming"

Servant of Kali · Sep 10, 2007, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Wheel of Doom

the 8v8 random arenas would be interesting

It's called Fort Aspenwood. Awesome map, completely ruined by leechers and ANets attitude of "sorry we can't be bothered, this really isn't meant to be playable arena it's meant to sell the game and pretend that this is PvP-heavy chapter.. I mean what else were we supposed to say when PvE was bad".

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we all know we loved Altar Cap

I didn't

. Then again, I didn't love HA either, so not fair I voice out my opinion here.

wheel-of-doom · Sep 10, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali

It's called Fort Aspenwood.

I never played through factions, and I probably never will.

Curse You · Sep 11, 2007, 05:58 AM // 05:58

A PvP expansion would add nothing that couldn't already be added normally.

There's no such thing as a PvE only expansion, even EotN will have some effect on PvP. Why should PvP get special treatment (more than it already does)?

Character slot? Pay $10 and you get a new primary to use.

New arenas. That could easily be done for free.

Tomb of the Primeval Kings Arena. B-spike and IWAY anyone?

8v8 Random Arena. Why? It's hard enough to get a good team out of 4 people, do you think adding more to the fight is going to change it that much?

PUG "GvG" style arena. Guest invites maybe?

True 12v12 Organized Alliance Battles. Basically a less organized Guild Battle? No thank you.

And that's as far as I'll go.

Servant of Kali · Sep 11, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Why should PvP get special treatment (more than it already does)?

PvP has special treatment in this game? Oh yes, you're one of those PvErs who are too self-absorbed to objectively see the situation.

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even EotN will have some effect on PvP

EotN has zero effect on PvP. A lot of new skills are PvE only, and those few that can be used in PvP are ok but nothing groundbreaking and can't really say I see many of those used either.

But ya, I agree with the rest you said (except 8v8 random, which already exists and it works ok aside of leechers).

MithranArkanere · Sep 11, 2007, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Hey, PvP needs some love too:

- Choose pets.
- Choose pet evolution.
- More NPCs in the guild hall.
- More Guild Hall designs.
- More arenas.
- More different settings of combat...

Servant of Kali · Sep 11, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

How bout for start:

- Leechers banned and ANet admitting "yes we didnt care about it because we sold the campaign anyway so who cares"
- 10min effort to make 500 useless skills into usable skills
- Ability to buy armor/weapon skills for balth faction or UAX
- Putting Jade Quarry to some use
- Giving fun items (like Cupcakes, Snowman Summoners etc) for wins in PvP