Curse

terminus123 · Sep 16, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Along time ago going into The Deep and Urgoz's Warren was a well respected honor, but now it seems as though those elite missions are like nothing, all you have to do is spend 1,000 faction points, and then you got a scroll or you can buy one too. Personally I feel the price both money wise and faction wise should be raised. The scrolls instead of 1,000, should be more like 5,000 factions. It'll give more prestige to the elite missions and also the owners of HzH and Cavalon could be just alittile bit more "speacial". That's all

also welcome to any suggestions too

Likelytodie · Sep 16, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

So, then you screw the owners of HzH and Cavalon over by increasing the number of leeches who just want in for free ferries to Urgoz/The Deep?

They're fine as are /not signed

terminus123 · Sep 16, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

that depends on the guild, some ferry alot, others don't do it much.
Also it isn't totally getting rid of scrolls, just making them more valuable

Likelytodie · Sep 16, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

The amount of ferrying in any recruiting guild (almost all healthy faction guilds) would go up if it was changed like this. You would inevitably end up recruiting tons and tons of leeches there strictly for ferrying, regardless of what guild you are in.
Making them more valuable would make it much easier for a person to just join a guild owning Cavalon/HzH which, isn't very difficult, they spam recruitment posts enough.

MithranArkanere · Sep 16, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

They are meant to be USED, NOT SOLD.
Their prices are meaningless.
You can always go to the controller's district and get a free taxi ride. Most of the time you can get one.

Curse You · Sep 17, 2007, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Deep and Urgotz scroll prices are market based. Therefore, they cost as much as they should.

Snow Bunny · Sep 17, 2007, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Why should the scrolls cost more?

There's no rational, sensible reason for this.

And anet doesn't control market value me thinks.

bilateralrope · Sep 17, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

And anet doesn't control market value me thinks.

While ANET doesn't exert any direct control over the traders price, they still control the market because they are the sole supplier. If they want the price to rise then they simply reduce the supply by raising the faction cost.

In saying that, I see no reason for the cost to be increased.

/unsigned

Faer · Sep 17, 2007, 06:20 AM // 06:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curse You

Deep and Urgotz scroll prices are market based. Therefore, they cost as much as they should.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

They are meant to be USED, NOT SOLD.
Their prices are meaningless.
You can always go to the controller's district and get a free taxi ride. Most of the time you can get one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Why should the scrolls cost more?

There's no rational, sensible reason for this.

And anet doesn't control market value me thinks.

Just to be absolutely sure, you guys did read the post that said we are talking about Faction Cost to Obtain, and not Gold Price to Purchase, right? See, I figured I should check on this, because I'd hate to have to clean up posts saying "lrn2reed nubs" later on. It takes too much effort to babysit threads for such things these days.

DarkGanni · Sep 17, 2007, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Pointless to make them more expensive when The Deep and Urgoz are not that much populated (hence why everyone is in International district). Price is good enough, what Urgoz and the Deep need more is players, not stupid price to make profit. People and their money....*sigh*

Effendi Westland · Sep 17, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

IMO: They should remove them altogether and make it so anybody who completed factions can access Urgoz and The Deep.

So:

/unsigned

=HT=Ingram · Sep 17, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

While I always said that Effendi... I kinda think the scrolls were a good compromise. but here in is the problem... getting a FULL PLAYER party in urgos at times is daunting. especially when we play it for hours in Hard mode. Our alliance spent a good 45 mins trying to get the last two positions in the team filled because no one was there, so the scrolls in my opinion is not that big a deal.

However I still think Deep and Urgos should be more like UW, and FoW, and DoA. once you finish the game you can go... well UW and FoW is not like that but they should be... The fact is these were experiments. and not that popular because 1 many didn't even know they existed in game, and 2 the restrictive access to them... Now with scrolls people are curious about them and going there on occasion. for better or worse scrolls are here to stay I think. and as such unless they start fixed pricing they are going to fluctuate by the amount they are farmed and turned in... BTW those tasty 500gold UW passage scrolls are nice to see on occasion too... Nice alternate to grinding titles for favor if you ask me....

Government Flu · Sep 17, 2007, 01:13 PM // 13:13

As long as the faction cost of 5,000 kurzick/luxon points will equal 10,000 toward your title track as though you were giving 5k faction to your guild, I've no problem with it.

But perhaps this suggestion might cause problems with the overall value of the scroll? We don't want them too cheap or too expensive. I remember what happened to amber. It used to be 2.5k-3k per piece and then all of a sudden Anet releases an update to increase faction gain and bam, they plummet to 1k, and then drop to 600, and finally rest at 200-300g.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Sep 17, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46

/notsigned... i hate ferrys

Linksys · Sep 17, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Forget calling them leeches. The elite missions should be available to EVERYONE. That's the way it should be. The alliances the "own" HzH and Cavalon are still at it to keep the place for whatever reasons so it doesn't matter that access to the missions is easy(as it should be).

Snow Bunny · Sep 17, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Linksys

Forget calling them leeches. The elite missions should be available to EVERYONE. That's the way it should be. The alliances the "own" HzH and Cavalon are still at it to keep the place for whatever reasons so it doesn't matter that access to the missions is easy(as it should be).

No they shouldn't.

The owners of HzH and Cav work very hard to keep their spots. I've been in both alliances, and I can tell you it's a lot of work.

I don't understand why you should raise the faction cost for scrolls....there's no reason for it.

Linksys · Sep 17, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

I know it's a lot of work. But they're still doing it even though it's easy to get into the elite missions. So they must have some reason or desire for it to continue so let them. But let everyone in GW in the elite missions, at least since they've been in existence for a while now.

EternalTempest · Sep 17, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

/not sign

As the game population move on, the ability to get to these zones will become harder if not for the warp scrolls.

Anet stated they were going to open them up, and they did.

My Sweet Revenga · Sep 17, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Now why would you want to make them worth more? It's hard enough to form a good party down there, hell took us 3 hours to get a group started this weekend and in the end all I got was a gold req13 effigy (but I was in it for the monument anyway). Could it be somebody wants to make some more money by bringing the price of scrolls back up to where they used to be so he can sell his stockpile? Besides, getting to the Deep and Urgoz outposts is one thing, getting anywhere in the mission is a whole other story. That and Deep/Urgoz prestige was sooooo last campaign.

/notsigned

Linksys · Sep 17, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Exactly. Also, it's bad enough that before, getting to them wasn't a matter of gameplay skill or devotion. It was the decision of other gamers of whether or not you got it. Now it should be whoever wants to get in.