Curse

Div · Oct 02, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

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If you're not going to put effort into getting the title, then you shouldn't deserve it. It's like asking for champion title to be accessible for every guild battle victory.

Snow Bunny · Oct 03, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

Think what you want, whine threads sound other...
Other like some stupid bunnies here, I thought about, how to improve the title and the game around that title, other then just writing dumb unconstructive offtopic comments and quoting for them whole postings. >.<

It's a whine thread, and you know it.

It's a terrible idea, designed to make things easier than they already are. This one doesn't even take that much skill, it's certainly grind > skill.

So you want it to be.... bitching and whining > grind?

GG

Phoenix Tears · Oct 03, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

It's a whine thread, and you know it.

It's a terrible idea, designed to make things easier than they already are. This one doesn't even take that much skill, it's certainly grind > skill.

So you want it to be.... bitching and whining > grind?

GG

No, what you don't understand is, i want:

Fun/No worrying about missing 0,1%'s/ improved Competitive Missions and more explorable Stuff > Time/ senseless Grind for 0,1%'s/Boredom of Map Grinding/ Skill

Because grinding maps has nothing to do with being skilled, grinding maps can every noob, wall hugging for hours and hammering each wall with the face in all degrees of the camera.

What you also don't understand is, that those unlockable Areas should be unlocked for people, which have beaten first the game and have reached still 95% at least ... so everything a want is making the last 5 % a bit easier by lowering the massive amount of grinding for 0,1%'s, which are all over the world. When you have 5% left and you use Text Mod, you can really expect, that the program will show you on your map like 40+ little points all over the world, which are only 0,1% or lesser and that is simple senseless grinding where you need no Skill for, you need only time for to go back to all those places, and its especially annoying, when under those places are then some, which you can only reach through certain specific ways, like Necrotoc Traversal, or being banned by Shiro ... somethign like that is simple stupid and improves surely not the fun factor of the game of of general exploring the game ...
Reaching 95% before you beat the game for the unlockable bonus areas is hard enough, theres no need in making the title a grind title, when this title has through Text Mod anyhow no "value" anymore...

I'm surely not lazy, I've theoretically enough time to grind me all maps to 100%, but its very hard for Tyria and Cantha, when there exist there such stupid (shitty designed) places as mentioned (especially in Tyria, where you can't explore Mission Areas still freely, like you can in FA/NF, when U've done the mission)

It would simple increase the whole fun factor of the game, after beating a campaign and grinding 95% at least, to be awarded with some little bonus maps, which will bring you then the last 5% a bit easier, which you can then explore normally without having to wall hug them.
I also don't know, what can be false on the idea of Bonus Maps, when they improve the game by implementing some nice new competitive Missiones ...
Some more Towns would also be nic,e because Towns are ever good points to place in new Quest Npc... and more quests can't also be false, implementign more quests is ever good, because more quests keep the community longer busy ...

All this "whining" here now and trying to twist my thread into a Whine thread comes only again from selfish people, which grant other players nothing, when such game improvements like my suggestion would make some titles (here now the cartographers) slightly easier to get, bet cause the only thing such people can do then is only whining about the fact, that they have wasted then so much time before the update with senseless grinding for weeks and don#t grant other players then the slightly easier titles, because they would have not to grind then so much for them, as the whiners had to do before the update ....

Its ever the same selfish whinery of people in forums, who think ever of them self first and what they have still done. For them are such updates then ever unfair, and they ignore simple the fact, that the update would be good for the game, because it owuld improve the whole fun factor of it .... people which are blinded by the selfishness for good ideas which would improve the game, cause of their huge ego that says them

"When I can't be the elitest of the elite with my titles anymore, then should it be no one .../notsigned"

MagmaRed · Oct 03, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Still whining.

The title is a 'grind' no matter how you change it. You simple have to reach a large amount of the map. The things you want changed require a MAJOR update, larger than Sorrow's Furnace, which we have been told will not happen. Outside of that, you are then asking for another expansion pack. I don't see Anet making an expansion pack simply to allow you to get GMC easier.

It can be done without Necrotic Traversal, although not as easily. Missions in Tyria can be explored with only minor exceptions DURING the mission. All I see you doing is saying: "I can't get my last 6%, will Anet give me an expansion pack to make it easier?"

Snow Bunny · Oct 03, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Yes, that is what he's saying.

But he's a 12 year old brat or something and thus will valiantly defend his shit thread's idea.

Antheus · Oct 03, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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It would simple increase the whole fun factor of the game, after beating a campaign and grinding 95% at least, to be awarded with some little bonus maps, which will bring you then the last 5% a bit easier, which you can then explore normally without having to wall hug them.

Or.... Reduce requirements for cartographer by 5%. So when you reach 95% it'll count as 100%.

But then, people will complain that they are stuck on 95% again (90% formerly).

If you know the areas where you can get more, go do them. In the time this thread has been created, you could have had 100%.

Star Gazer · Oct 03, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

.....who wants it, is willing to work for it, and do anything to get it.

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THe cartography system is flawed. i agree and needs to be fixed.

Your serious? Wow, I thought the cartography title worked like a dream since i got my legendary title. Please, just because your lazy/lack the skills to get the title, do not call it flawed. This is your own fault, as many people have this title. Man, speaking of generalizations

Phoenix Tears · Oct 04, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Still whining.

The title is a 'grind' no matter how you change it. You simple have to reach a large amount of the map. The things you want changed require a MAJOR update, larger than Sorrow's Furnace, which we have been told will not happen. Outside of that, you are then asking for another expansion pack. I don't see Anet making an expansion pack simply to allow you to get GMC easier.

It can be done without Necrotic Traversal, although not as easily. Missions in Tyria can be explored with only minor exceptions DURING the mission. All I see you doing is saying: "I can't get my last 6%, will Anet give me an expansion pack to make it easier?"

When will you finally recognize, that i don't want that stuff as an update, like Sorrows Furnace...

OMFG, I talk all the time only about an Add on like Eye of the North >.<
Yes, lager then SF oO but thats why it should be a god damn Add on, no normal free Update like SF sigh.

No, places of the Wilds and the Frost Gate CAN'T be reached without necrotic traversal, because you have to get somehow certain NPC's to get killed, so that you can reach the places, where they stood, which are normally unreachable, because no way exists normally to reach thoses places, those ways could only exist, when players would be able to explore maybe the Tyria Mission ares normally, after you#ve made ther Mission, like players can explore freely the mission ares in Fa and NF, when you've done the mission, is this so hard to understand ... the missions in tyria are too hard linear, as that you can make thoses side tracks during the mission, without nerotic travel, because those needed NPC's have lal their own unreachable places and ways.

In the Wilds its Evennia, who stands on a higher place, then on the corner,where the players fight. This place can you only reach by NT, when you get Evennia somehow killed by the Spiders....
On Frost Gate, its Rurik with his Companions...same way, the road, where Rurik runs on ..is only reachable through NT Rurik's corpse or one of his companions ones.

Sure, Dunes of Despair is makeable without NT, there you need only time and a good monk btw. good heroes ...

@SB: your pitiful, you go so easily out of your arguments, that you have to call me a 12 year old child, only cause my arguments are better, then yours, because its obvious, that my idea has nothing in it, that would destroy the game, all stuff suggested here would only improve the gameplay and the fun factor of the general game (especially in mind of new competitive missions for FA to increase there the number of them), and all that only for the cost of making a worthless title line a bit easier to obtain, once you've played through the game and have still at least 95% explored of the 3 Maps ...

What you also don't see:

A bit making those titles easier and the game will get a bit quicker those 20 needed maxed titles and so getting quicker favor of the gods and the world can keep it longer up, when it should go then a bit to quick ,anet can change still the needed sum of max titles from 20 to 25 or so ...

The pros of making this change simple overweight the selfish cons of players with too huge egos here, which complain here only about the title becoming more worthless, when its still through text mod 100% worthless and those people, that whine , that they find this change unfair, because they have still wasted so much time by doing it the old way ...
Thats life, sometimes people have to bite into the sour apple, when changes are made in a game which improve the general gameplay for the overall community.
I never said anything about, that Anet shoukld make this Add on, as quick as they can... no they have all the time they want, when they concentrate now only on Bugs and GW2 ..fine, but one day will come, then is GW2 out and the Developers will have again time for other things for GW1 and 2 then...

Why not milk the GW1 Cow further, when it has lots of potencial for future Add ons ...

@SB: again... where is for you the sense in making an suggestion thread, when you don't may defend your Suggestion with arguments then...
Should anyone write in an instant like you sound to me:

"Close this Thread", only because someone has written /not signed ...

I don't think so, when you really believe that, then you must be really naive

When you want me to stop argumenting, then give me good anti-arguments, other then that Anet has in the moment not the time to make a new add on, that. Arguments, that should show me, that making those changes would be really bad for the game and i dont want hear selfish arguments, like:

"Not signed, because I''ve still made it on the harder way and have wasted so much time for it", or

"Not signed, because then thoses titles are not valuable enough more (for me, I can't show then anymore, how elite I'm *yes, I'm so small minded and have suuuuuuuuuch an big Ego, i must show everyone, how elite i'am 24/7 through my titles)"*

*text in () is naturally the stuff, no selfish one would ever write in an answer, but what is in the end the truth.

Give me good arguments, which show me, that this suggestion would be anyhow not good for the game, an argument that really convinced me to say then.

"ok, this argument has really a good point"

But everything made yet was only stupd flaming and trying to let my thread look like a whine thread, making NONE constructive posts with topic relied arguments, and those few ones that were made, were only arguments of the sort "selfish big ego" or simple too weak, like that anet has in the moment no time for a next Add on.... time will come someday, so this argument is only good for the moment, but not for the near future ...

I want see of you one 1 topic relied anti-argument, which has really a good point in it, why not to make an Add on like this, which relies not on the fact, that only a title will be then a bit easier to receive ...

Would I want only to have this title easier, then i could have made from the start on a Thread with the name that comes near to the thing, what Antheus has written, that people which got to 95% get the last 5% free, because 95% > 100% -.-
But no, i want it not so easily, I wanted to improve the game too, by making the titles a bit easie, and thats only makeable imo through some unlockable bonus areas ...

But only some new areas would be boring, so I came on the idea of some new towns with new quests and espcially on the point with Cantha increasign the competitive missions, because there exists only 2 and like 95% of the community plays only fort aspenwood cause its the much better CM which makes most fun... its in the end only new content, content which would be good as a new Add on, with the speciality, that this content counts then towards the cartographer titles to reduce the amount of time for grinding lots of places for 0,1%'s ... and to fix so the problem with necrotic traversal only reachable areas and the Island, that you can reach only by getting banned by Shiro ...

anyone, who believes, that grinding for 0,1%'s is more fun, then exploring maps by normal playing must imo a screw have laxly XD or most be an extreme freak and lover of senseless grinding.

So and that was my last answer to you both, unless you can give me an real good argument, that can convince me, that this kind of Add on would not be good to be made, once Anet has the time for it.

Missmelady · Oct 04, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

Ok. Tears first of all this is a terrible post. The NT does not need to be met to get 100% of tyria. People who have worked for countless hours have gotten it. Just because you want a title handed to you like a little child wants candy doesnt mean you get it. Point being why would anet fix something that is not broken.(your next post will be But it is broken). Just because you dont realise how much dedication is required to map every last inch of the map doesnt mean others are not dedicated. The amount of time you WASTED writing these posts you could of fully explored tyria and most of cantha or elona. I know cartagrapher takes a lot of time to do. Before i did elona i had cantha cartagrapher done. I diddnt use any text mod or alt tab map checks. I just went through everyzone. Since you want the last 5% as an add on then I want the zaishen to give me fame or glad points everytime i win a match about them. Does it happen? No!. Will there be an add on arena where it will ever happen? No. Do i care? No not really. Cartagrapher title is a title for people dedicated to exploring. If you dont wanna do it then dont. Just dont bring your hate into the forums to try and bitch to get your way.

As on ur addon. Anet will not have any time for a new addon untill after Gw2. Personnaly i doubt they would make one after the release of gw2 for the origanal campagn. Something tells me not many people will be playing it, but will be in gw2. GG tears GG.
/Not signed

/signed to be Closed

thezed · Oct 04, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Phoenix Tears: You need to stop QQ and a mod needs to close this thread. It has quickly turned into a flame war.

I got 100% Cart on all 3 maps w/o using Nacrotic Traversal or any other "trick". If you cant do it that does not mean the system needs to be fixed, it just speak volumes about your abilities, time, and patience(sp?).

freekedoutfish · Oct 04, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

Then you search on Solution Sites and must hear, that some big areas exist in the Game, that you can reach only by a silly Necromancer Skill, that warps you to dead Corpses, but are are not a necro, nor have this Class as 2nd, which would mean, that you have to change your Secondary Class and to get the needed Skill, only to be able to get 100%...

God forbid you ever change your secondary profession while playing GWs. God forbid you spend 1k max on a new skill to traverse a location! I assume you must change your secondary at some point while playing, because there is always a situation when you need to.

God forbid Anet ask you to use some skill while exploring and actually make it a challenge which requires thinking about it.

The quests in prophercies to change secondary are not hard and can be done within minutes! And you simply need to buy secondary professions in the other two. That really is a pathetic excuse to want this done, simply because you cant be bothered to get necro secondary and change on skill.

Is it really putting you out to change your secondary to necro or alike to help explore a few locations. Ive got 100% on all 3 and I know for a fact there is only 2 missions which require some form of traversal to explore other parts.

DOD and one of the shiverpeaks missions! OMG!!!! Two whole missions out of all 3 campaigns!!!

There is NO needs to change exploration. We've all been there with needing the last 0.4% and not knowing where to look or having that bit be hard to reach.

But understand this... it can be done.

It doesnt need changed!

MagmaRed · Oct 04, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Still whining.

The title is a 'grind' no matter how you change it. You simple have to reach a large amount of the map. The things you want changed require a MAJOR update, larger than Sorrow's Furnace, which we have been told will not happen. Outside of that, you are then asking for another expansion pack. I don't see Anet making an expansion pack simply to allow you to get GMC easier.

It can be done without Necrotic Traversal, although not as easily. Missions in Tyria can be explored with only minor exceptions DURING the mission. All I see you doing is saying: "I can't get my last 6%, will Anet give me an expansion pack to make it easier?"

Thank you for reading EVERYTHING I wrote. As I mentioned, and someone else has claimed, Necrotic Traversal is NOT needed to reach 100%. It makes it easier, but it is not required. I'll /sign, but only for a mod to close this topic, as it has no point worth peoples time to read it.

Vl Vl D · Oct 04, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Just look up cheats on the net.....or wait thats why your here creating this thread.

JeniM · Oct 04, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Hard way - do it visually
Medium - compare maps
Easy - load TextMod up

Theres the options i really don't see why it needs to be any easier than TextMod makes it

Missmelady · Oct 04, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Vl Vl D

Just look up cheats on the net.....or wait thats why your here creating this thread.

Wtf are you talking about. There are exploits that can be done but do not need to be to get 100% of tyria. Cheating is another aspect in which one is modding or changing the in game content. Exploiting which i do not consider NT mapping to be an exploit is completly differnt. In all fair ness tyria was not a Cartagrapher map so that fact that people found out that using Nt cuts a little corner of the mapping does not make it a cheat. Simply because if it was a "cheat" Anet would of removed the function for them to die. plus i find that when people complain about exploits/cheats its usually because they diddnt think of it first.

Thank you
Glyph Of healing

Sammy Darvanian · Oct 04, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

You know, all you seem to suggest in your threads is just ways of making the game EASIER rather than more balanced...

And there are more ways than one to get 100% explored, you don't need all of the Remains of Sanjahla mission to get 100% in Elona, there's a bit of leeway in every campaign.

And I like the wallhugging, it's funny.

Vl Vl D · Oct 04, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Im not complaining about people finding exploits infact I dont give toss.What I cant stand at the moment is doing all these things for my titles only to have them changed so its easy.

For example im not the best pvp player but Ive set aside a few hours a week for RA/TA since the start of the year and was 10pts away from rank 3 gald.Then all the sudden I have it with another 150pts till rank 4 wich isnt that hard realy but for me I was looking foward to earning it myself not be handed it.

This might sound silly but whats kept me playing since may 05 is having small goals ingame so I could make the most of the little time im willing to give to Gw these days.

Anyway ill get over it but for me Glad was hard but I earned each rank except this one without having to come here to rally the comunity to make easy for me.

malignant-heretic · Oct 04, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

While were at it why not make lightbringer 10k, and sunspear 20k, or better yet lets have the maxed out luxon/kurz title at 500,000

so /NOTSIGNED

I spent hours grinding tyria to get 100% explorer, so im not gonna condone making it easier for lazy people who arent prepared to put the effort in.

Ive got 100% in tyria without the old arenas, and without completly mapping all the areas, i can still see numerous places on my map which arent uncovered, so there is leeway anyway. In Elona im on 98.7% and thats before ive grinded the desolation, dont get me wrong ive unmapped a fair portion of it, but there is still alot of cloud i can see.

Titles are supposed to be a grind imo, otherwise youd see everyone running around with maxed out titles. Titles show that youve acomplished somthing thats taken time, effort and determination (also alot of money in some cases) making them easier makes them less worthwhile. so if you think the title is to difficult or to much of a grind to get, dont do it! theres no requirement for you to get the title. Seems to me you want the title without the work.

Id also like to add that the time youve wasted posting all this could have been used to scrape some map

Kai Nui · Oct 04, 2007, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Whine whine whine whine whine. No point in wasting my time reading any of this. It's a title... it's not supposed to be as easy as your mom.

Phoenix Tears · Oct 04, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Thank you for reading EVERYTHING I wrote. As I mentioned, and someone else has claimed, Necrotic Traversal is NOT needed to reach 100%. It makes it easier, but it is not required. I'll /sign, but only for a mod to close this topic, as it has no point worth peoples time to read it.

In one thing ur right ..

cause of flamers and trolls, which try to get this thread closed

@thezed: i would ask me, why it has been changed so quick into a flame war, sure not cause of me, only cause i try to argument and still none anti-argument has been written by anyone, that can convinve me, that making such an add on anytime is bad ...

I don't find bad things in implementing new competitive missions into Cantha for some little bonus % ... for example.
i also don't find still bad things in implementing new Towns for some new Quests ..new quests is ever good, nothing in it to complain about being a bad idea
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Originally Posted by Sammy Darvanian

You know, all you seem to suggest in your threads is just ways of making the game EASIER rather than more balanced...

And there are more ways than one to get 100% explored, you don't need all of the Remains of Sanjahla mission to get 100% in Elona, there's a bit of leeway in every campaign.

And I like the wallhugging, it's funny.

A bit easier yes, but not so easy that it means that you have to do NO WORK at all anymore ...

Players will still have to:

-Beat the Game first
-Reach 95% in all 3 Maps

First then, you unlock the Bonus Areas...
thats anough work, and after that you have still to explore then the Bonus Areas for the last percets of all 3 maps ...
The only thing that changes then is the fact that there will be no reason then anymore for senseless grinding for 0,1%, because you get then some little new bonus areas, where you exactly know then where you can get the last %'s without having to wall hug hours over hours over hours for them, even with the result, that you get for uncovering certain small places NOTHING ...

It would also as said fix the problem with the Tyria Map, which wasnt designed as Cartographer Map like Cantha/Elona, then people have not to grind such stupid places and the grinding is then for the uber grind freaks still, which want to have like a 110% uncovered map, even when only 100% gets shown.
However, this did become exactly same senseless here, as grinding for 0,1% ingame, because you crush here with good arguments only into massive walls of ignorance, flamery and insultings of braindead childs like Kai now...

sometimes I must really ask me, if certain people know here really, what the word "conversation" or better said "discussion" means oO
For me its an exchanging of arguments, not "counterstrike" with flames and insults to get somethign very quick closed that i don't like to see