Curse

bilateralrope · Oct 14, 2007, 07:15 AM // 07:15

Iron Mist

Hex Spell. For 5...15...17 seconds, target foe moves 90% slower. That foe gains immunity to damage from all sources except lightning.

The ally NPC Gadd currently has this skill on his bar.

So here we have an 'ally' NPC with a skill that makes enemies immune to most builds that people bring. If a human player did that we would call him a griefer, and unless you check up on the build beforehand you get no warning about it until he starts casting it. Probably not even then since you would have to of selected him while he is casting it.

Omniclasm · Oct 14, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16

Ahhh, was wondering why I was doing zero damage to monsters in that mission. Never though of it being Gadd, just assumed some sort of monster-skill/environmental buff for them.

jhu · Oct 14, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

following the storyline of the game, gadd is a jackass. so why wouldn't he bring iron mist just to piss you off?

Vickie · Oct 14, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Yes! Please remove it, or nerf it! Especially since there aren't any easy workaround, like setting up a spirit and turn some of our damage to lightning. A jackass indeed! /fistshake

[edit] I actually have no problem whatsoever H/H-ing this mission without switching any skills in NM on my Ele, Necro and Warrior. Haven't had time to touch GW:EN HM. But like what some people said below, I think the joke should at least be made more obvious to the players. [/edit]

Speaking of which, I've met one such griefer in Fort Aspenwood. We had an Ele equipped with nothing but Glyph of Renewal + Iron Mist on our side. What some people would do just to piss others off...

MithranArkanere · Oct 14, 2007, 12:30 PM // 12:30

At least there should be any NPC dialogue warning you about that.

Like:

- Vekk: "Why the hell are you using Iron Mist! My water attacks do nothing!"
- Gadd: "Shut the hole up and use Air magic, I'm not changing my build!"

Exterminate all · Oct 14, 2007, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Yea, I say take it out

/signed

Antheus · Oct 14, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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and unless you check up on the build beforehand you get no warning about it until he starts casting it.

Moddock crevice?
Divinity coast?
Or bringing a MM into mission where there are no corpses?

You never get a warning for any mission about what you'll need to do. At least here you don't fail anything because you didn't know to bring.

GW:EN is specifically designed to be unfriendly to raw damage dealers. Personally I can't relate to this "problem", since I didn't even know about this till now. The only thing even I do remember from Asuran lands is that annoying monster skill that causes deep wound, but even that one isn't that big a deal.

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So here we have an 'ally' NPC with a skill that makes enemies immune to most builds that people bring.

Yes, that's the whole point.

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If a human player did that we would call him a griefer

Yes, and they'd /report them, just people like to report 55s.... And SF sins. And they even know what to bring to counter them, along with the fact that such builds are common. Yet the nonsense continues...

Good heavens, there's a disturbance in the force, there's an unusual skill in PvE, run for the hills... C'mon, it's not like your party wipes because of it. If it does, then that's a strong indication to improve on your party.

This is why PUGs died. One-trick pony cookie cutter builds. No utility, no diversity, no flexibility. Adjust the mobs one tiny bit, and the party fails miserably.

GW:EN was sold as high-end content. Isn't it reasonable to expect at least a bit of difference, at least once promoting a bit of diversity, something different, something new...

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We had an Ele equipped with nothing but Glyph of Renewal + Iron Mist on our side

Was he Luxon? If so, then it's a great tactics - snare the runners.
Was he Kurzick? Again, great tactic, to keep people from chasing down the runners.
Remember: in FA, killing is not what determines the winner. This is why bonders worked so great, until people started bringing enchant removal.

It all depends on the perspective.

Mister O · Oct 14, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Good thing is I always have a shocking weapon in my inventory

RhanoctJocosa · Oct 14, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by Mister O

Good thing is I always have a shocking weapon in my inventory

It's a pity everyone jumps to "remove! nerf! omg!" without thinking.

AW Lore · Oct 14, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

It's a pity everyone jumps to "remove! nerf! omg!" without thinking.

yeah, after my first hand encounter with it, i switched one of my heroes for an air spiker, buh-bye.

Vickie · Oct 14, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Was he Luxon? If so, then it's a great tactics - snare the runners.
Was he Kurzick? Again, great tactic, to keep people from chasing down the runners.
Remember: in FA, killing is not what determines the winner. This is why bonders worked so great, until people started bringing enchant removal.

It all depends on the perspective.

Luxons, but... 6 empty slots (the person sent their build to chat and said it's fun)?! And Iron Mist out of all other snaring skills?

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

It's a pity everyone jumps to "remove! nerf! omg!" without thinking.

Meh, I H/H most missions. Can't ask Cynn and Herta to switch to Air magic builds or Devona to take a lightning hammer. Also not sure if one hero running an air build can make HM.

Okay, fiiiiine I'll... PUG! *shudders*

legion_rat · Oct 14, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

/notsigned

I didnt even know it was there still beat the mission and was none the wiser. It doesnt make that big of a deal. and how many times has someone went on a mission not knowing what to build. I seldom look something up before a mission. I might if I fail a few times but I prefer to work off of my own skills than someone elses. So try it, change your build if needed and whip some candy ass. If that doesnt work stapple gadds ears to the wall and leave him.

~the rat~

bilateralrope · Oct 14, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by Antheus

This is why PUGs died. One-trick pony cookie cutter builds. No utility, no diversity, no flexibility. Adjust the mobs one tiny bit, and the party fails miserably.

So having to bring lightning damage for everyone isn't a one-trick setup ?

Diddy bow · Oct 14, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31

oh that explains alot

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/notsigned though, it suits gad and makes the mission a tiny bit harder ^^.

KamikazeChicken · Oct 14, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

I kept flagging my heroes back and running gad into things just so he'd die. Worked well to stop him from casting iron mist on anything, but anet really should look at this.

kazjun · Oct 15, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

A good thing with GWEN is how npcs self res. So you can just kill them, or use them as cannon fodder. Especially Gadd.

/signed for removing iron mist or at least having the argument between Gadd and Vekk like MithranArkanere. It's just too funny.

A11Eur0 · Oct 15, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Omg people....air spikers and channeling rits. Period.

It doesn't cast on every enemy around so if you start doing zeroes, move on to a different enemy and let your spikers take out those with mist on them.

"Oh noes I can't SF spam this mission...gotta take out mechanics of the game so I don't have to be arsed to change my build for 5 minutes."

Kale Ironfist · Oct 15, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

"Oh noes I can't SF spam this mission...gotta take out mechanics of the game so I don't have to be arsed to change my build for 5 minutes."

Technically... SF is still effective because of the burning

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Anyway, what's been said above: switch targets. If you don't have a target to switch to, well, taking 20-40 seconds longer isn't going to hurt you. If you've got the resources, outfit yourself and heroes with lightning damage weapons.

Pretty simple.

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 15, 2007, 03:10 AM // 03:10

/not signed

Seems like something Gadd would do :P

Dean Harper · Oct 15, 2007, 03:37 AM // 03:37

/signed.... PLEASE REMOVE!!!