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mrlopes · Dec 04, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

/signed

I love ritualist class!
I have 10 chars, don't want to spend years to get a Rit hero to every char i have. And only after game finished????????

Why not an obtainable Rit hero like any other hero, early in the game?

Agree with DoA difficult, agree with Razah in there "IF" Razah was a more flexible hero (exchange primary!!!), but being the only Rit in the game, sure not the way to go!

Is Razah a uber Hero with uber skills? No? So???

I have a life, and can't play for 4 or 5 consecutive hours for days!
So i will never get a Rit hero

Anet, please just add a Rit Hero to the normal storyline, and let Razah be the leet show off, for the ones that would like to get him!

teenchi · Dec 04, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

/signed

I have so much rit gear in storage and I have 9 characters that I actively play. There is no way I will get them that far in the game to get the rit hero. I would love to have that hero much earlier in the game.

natuxatu · Dec 04, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

/signed

I don't know why people wouldn't him somewhere earlier and easier to get. There could still be an elite hero that you can get.. but it shouldn't be a Rit and it shouldn't be him.

luilui · Dec 04, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

/signed

Keep DoA the way it is and provide a Rit HERO that is accessible for the general public.

agree.

a lot of the fun in GW is about trying new build, i dont see why if i want to try a build that involves a ritualist should require a lot more trouble, since ritualist is just another profession. Anet can just change Razah to have variable profession then add a ritualist hero somewhere and keep the elite mission as it is.

unlike some other players i think ritualist is nessary simply becoz u cant replace a primary ritualist with a secondary one. true that u dont have to play a particular build that requires a ritualist but gw is a lot about trying new skill combations, for some builds a primary ritualist is nessary. this is not the same as making FoW armor cheap as it can be (functionally) replaced by many other armors, which is not the same case for ritualist.

freekedoutfish · Dec 04, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Esprit

The point is; your last hero is acquired a few missions before the Realm of Torment, then the ones you did not unlock via the forked quests you can acquire once you beat the game.

The Ritualist Hero's acquisition is many magnitudes harder compared to all the other hero's and it does not make sense to most people why a Ritualist Hero is in an elite area. And you do not get the hero until you've beaten the game and get access to the Elite area. People want the hero playable through the regular game, not after you've beaten the game.

well that is exactly what i said in the last reply I wrote.

Neriandal Freit · Dec 04, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

If these people WERE a minority, then why is it that the MAJORITY of posts agree? I also have to question your obsession with pokemon... You say you don't want "noobs" posting. Well uh... like you said, YOU don't have Razah. Now, this is a forum where READING IS A REQUIREMENT! So read this carefully. No, stop skimming this. Read it:

These people are NOT complaining about the difficulty of the Domain of Anguish. They ARE complaining that the reward just isn't worth it and there IS NO VARIABLE!

Now if you can't read or comprehend that and make one more post about children and pokemon, I will know that you have no real reason to try and debate something you know nothing about.

Please, don't start a debate with me about not reading things. I'm reading this topic very clearly.

You are a minority. You may think you are a majority, but all of you who are in that minority wanting something different with Razah are coming here and posting it because it is the rules of these forums. If it wasn't, we'd see dozens of "Change Razah's difficulty!!!" like topics with the admins and mods of the Guru Forums pulling their hair out more so.

Also on top of everything, I am not saying you (everyone, not one particular person) are complaining about Domain of Anguish. I've not once said that is what you are wanting changed. I my self love a good challenge in this game and want to see such an area unchanged, along with the quests inside of this area. None of us complain and start topics about the Quests in Fissure of Woe or Underworld do we? We shouldn't do the same about the quests within Domain of Anguish and the rewards of those quests.

As for the mature/immature thing that has been fired at me several times. Maturity and Age of a person are not varied by his or her age. I my self am nineteen, and I am told all the time by people at my job and guests at my job that I am much older, even older then a thirty something. Now, a thirty something can be as mature as a teenager, or as mature as a thirty something, or as mature as a fifty something. Right now in my eyes the ones who are complaining to the degree that they are, are acting like teenage somethings rather then mature players understanding the difficulty to acquire Razah. Hence my directions to Pokemon, a game and world where the good guy always wins and gets what he's looking for at some time or another. So don't attempt to call me immature because I used a reference to explain my reasons in my postings. I know some of these posts, and I stress some, are helpful criticism (something I know Anet appreciates) and I my self do that, we all do. A fair amount aren't in this topic however.

Now, to agree with some posts here. I wouldn't mind seeing another Ritualist hero. There are tons of characters, examples being Kurzick families, Luxon tribes, Shadow and her spider from Prophecies and more to be heroes. I mean come on, she Asecended, captured a Spider and was with us on Perdition Rock. She deserves to be a Prophecy hero. We are in that game aren't we?

As someone rightly pointed out, not all Ritualists are elite. There should be at some stage a new character introduced with a fascinating way of getting her/him. I do agree that it should be within Factions because Factions contains Ritualists and should be within there some way, some how.

So, to anyone who would like to quote me and attempt to rip me a new one like some already have, please do. You'll be hard pressed to try and find a way to do that before I can fire back at you in this 'debate'.

Dougal Kronik · Dec 04, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

/signed

For all of the reasons previously posted.

fgarvin · Dec 04, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

I believe that Razah ending up as a Rit was a quick-fix to ANet being unable to make him the variable character we all thought he was going to be. What was it...formed from the mists, take any form...whatever. Prolly seemed like a good idea at the time, but reality prolly bit them in the ass, preventing such a cool concept from seeing the light of day.

Having to beat the four quests and getting the required materials would make sense if it was a variable hero, but a Rit, no matter how cool he looks, does not warrant the effort involved.

countesscorpula · Dec 04, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

You are a minority. You may think you are a majority, but all of you who are in that minority wanting something different with Razah are coming here and posting it because it is the rules of these forums.

Ok, you say the people posting are a minority. That means that you have some evidence of how the overall population feels about this. Please share with us the survey you conducted or have seen that indicates a majority of people disagree with this thread.

To say something is in a minority, you have to have some form of measure to know how people sit on one side or another.

YOU are a minority. YOU may think you are a majority, but ...

I have no grounds for saying that, just as you have displayed no grounds for your statement about who is in the majority and who is not. If you are going to start claiming weight to an argument by numbers, you had best be able to illustrate those numbers.

Traveller · Dec 04, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP

FYI you don't need to beat the quests to get Razah you just need the gemstones..

Has anyone actually even gotten Razah via PvE yet? Everyone knows, that the quest requires you to have one of each gem to continue to Abaddon's Heart, but who knows what's there to be done after that?

Lucifer PVP · Dec 04, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Traveller

Has anyone actually even gotten Razah via PvE yet? Everyone knows, that the quest requires you to have one of each gem to continue to Abaddon's Heart, but who knows what's there to be done after that?

Soon as i get a titan gemstone i will let you know.

fgarvin · Dec 04, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP

Soon as i get a titan gemstone i will let you know.

You may not be ready for such a big responsibility. I recommend you hand over the items and allow me take care of everything.

quickmonty · Dec 04, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Just too shabby of a reward for all the work necessary to obtain it. Razah should be available through some other mechanics and some really great reward for all the time and effort that is now required.

I don't need Razah that bad. I'd rather spend my gaming time having fun then grinding for another Hero.

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Originally Posted by countesscorpula

Did A-Net actually say that Raz would be variable primary? Or was this just a rumour that ran away and everyone accepted as fact? If someone has a copy of a Gaile post or some other source that says Raz has flex-primary, I'd like much to see it.

No rumor, and not from Gaile. In the manual that comes in the game box, Page 63 ...........................

Razah
Unformed Hero

"I live to serve."

Origin: The Mists
Age: Inapplicalbe
Profession: Variable

rob of ascalon · Dec 04, 2006, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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ive tried every possible way to do this mission and every group i go with fails it is almost nearly impossible to get through it i mean i understand that the hero is gona be a good one but, if anet wanted to do this why not give us a sukyer ritualist hero?????

Neriandal Freit · Dec 04, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by countesscorpula

Ok, you say the people posting are a minority. That means that you have some evidence of how the overall population feels about this. Please share with us the survey you conducted or have seen that indicates a majority of people disagree with this thread.

To say something is in a minority, you have to have some form of measure to know how people sit on one side or another.

YOU are a minority. YOU may think you are a majority, but ...

I have no grounds for saying that, just as you have displayed no grounds for your statement about who is in the majority and who is not. If you are going to start claiming weight to an argument by numbers, you had best be able to illustrate those numbers.

Do not lecture me newcomer. I've been on these boards for a full year and have made many posts. I know when something is more of a minority then a majority.

I will give you what you have said. I do not have facts showing the minority, just my personal observation of the Guru Forums for a year and months time.

GloryFox · Dec 04, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Posted by freekedoutfish
I dont understand this idea that because you need to do the elite missions, Razah is completely unattainable.

There is actually a quest to achieve him, you need to complete DoA once, get the 4 crystals and exchange them for him.

Plus it isnt really a question of just ignoring the elite missions and not doing them because you dont like them.

If you want to 100% complete the game, you need work your way through DoA because there is a quest at the end asking you too.

So to say Razah is only accessible to the Elite and not the general public is wrong. Your ALL going to be asked to do this quest once you reach this point, so its not out of reach to anyone.

The quest is obviously just alot harder then most, but thats how it is.

I bet most people who have /signed to agree to this post will probably finished nightfall in the next couple of weeks or a month, get to DoA and fly through it.

Then look back on this and think "what was I complaining about", that was easy.

And you’ve only got to do it once.

Here is where you are mistaken; the Elite mission is for the 1% of the GW population granted, just as crystalline swords are for the 1% general population. The Ritualist class is for the general Factions population as are all HERO’s except the Factions Ritualist HERO.

I use crystalline swords as an example because anyone can buy a normal sword for about 5k with 15^50% damage. The general GW population does not need a crystalline sword. However a HERO who uses a common Factions class or normal HERO available to everyone is not a crystalline sword. It’s a HERO an aspect of the game that anyone in the general or average competence level can achieve. ANET knew this, that is why they made all HERO’s available at the end game area without the dependance on other people's skill levels.

ANET Why the change in game design?

Now lets say I do get all gemstones by doing all quests. That’s at least 6 hours of playtime for each area assuming I can get a group. The general population does not have 6 hours of playtime in a day to do said mission assuming you can find a competent group.

Hey I know I’m an elite player however I don’t have 6 hours to find a group of people with my skill competance, let alone 6 hours to do one area.

Now lets say I purchase all for 4 gemstones for all 9 (36 stones) of my characters. Does that make me Elite? No it just means I have money or nothing else to do but farm.

I am not saying give everyone should get Razzah, I’m saying make a Ritualist HERO available to everyone of general skill calabur. Same as every other HERO profession in the game. Then if you want to show off your Razzah to show your 1337 skillz that is up to you. As for me I can care less about your grind time and can enjoy the normal aspects of the game with my Ritualist HERO.

Honestly what is wrong with that request?

Coran Ironclaw · Dec 04, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

you just need 4 gems in order to get it.
do it one way or the other.
just buy them. Of course they are hell costly now. but they will be as you say "reasonable" in some time.

Esprit · Dec 04, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

People can come up with various solutions, buy the gemstones, do the quests, grind ... etc.

The effort to get Razah does not seem to be worth the reward.

Scown-dog · Dec 04, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Hypotheticaly, let's say someone does PvE unlock Razah. If this person doesn't have the Factions campaign they wouldn't be able to give Razah very many skills.

freekedoutfish · Dec 04, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Here is where you are mistaken; the Elite mission is for the 1% of the GW population granted, just as crystalline swords are for the 1% general population. The Ritualist class is for the general Factions population as are all HERO’s except the Factions Ritualist HERO.

When did I ever say that the elite missions are only for 1% of those playing GWs?

I never said anything of the kind. I said EVERYONE has access to DoA, so I dont see why everyone is complaining at Razah being unattainable.

Im not understanding anything that you wrote, because your suggesting I said something which I didnt.

And whos to say that DoA would take 6 hours of play?

Should we not add missions to the game which take huge amounts of time to complete, incase we allienate those who dont have lots of free time?

So just because you or others cant find the time to complete an elite mission, that means we dont give away a huge reward like Razah at the end.

If you cant have him, no one can?
Or if you cant get him the hard way, you want him given to you on a silver platter?

Sounds kind of petty to me.

What actual harm is it doing to have Razah only be attainable after doing DoA?

Are people really being disadvantaged not being able to use a ritualist? are people missing out on anything astounding? Will he add any new huge playability?

The answer is NO.

Hes purely for show, and hes purely a luxary to play with.

Hes not a necessity and people are just annoyed that they cant just be given him, instead of having to graft.

Chances are I wont get him, despite having finished the game and having got the other heroes. But you dont see me complaining. Ive never really liked Ritualists anyway.

The world will not come to an end because you cant have your ritualist hero from the start people!!!

Even if they did eventually give away a Ritualist Hero from the start of the game, to keep you all happy.

Chances are they would make it only available to those with Factions, as they did the assassin, because its a factions profession. Then everyone who doesnt have factions would complain.

There was and is only two ways they could have added a ritualist to the game and fix it into the story line. By either giving him away in cantha as mentioned, or by doing it the way they have... by creating him from the mist. Something we heard mentioned in factions on many occassions. I think theyve done a good job of tieing him into the story line and the ROT.