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Curse You · Dec 03, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

What we get?
*Prophecies should give another mesmer.
*Factions should give the ritualist.
*Razah should be really variable

I think this would sasify everyone really. If they don't make Razah easier to get, at least make him worth it.

Oh and also, I think Razah either shouldn't be available for PvP, or cost 50,000 faction so that only the "elite" PvP players can get him.

seut · Dec 03, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

PvE is never hard. Ever. Remember that please
Learn2play

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Originally Posted by Update - Thursday November 30

Removed the "kiting" behavior of henchmen in the first round of basic training in order to give new players an easier introduction to PvP.

Anet had to dumb down pve'ish behaviour for pvp...

GloryFox · Dec 03, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

/Signed

As it is my SIN will never get a Ritualist HERO.. no matter how good I am.

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk
PvE is never hard. Ever. Remember that please
Learn2play

What a bunch of arrogant BS, I can say the same for PvP how hard is IWAY for you anyways?

The Ernada · Dec 03, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by seut

Anet had to dumb down pve'ish behaviour for pvp...

You have it backwards. Kiting is a PVP behaviour. Why do you think people hate the new A.I.?

But Thomas' comment was misdirected at this thread and obviously he didnt really read it.

viper008 · Dec 03, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

/notsigned

Whine more. This is the same thing as "make FoW cheaper please" a.net. Something in this game is a challenge. A Rt hero isn't NECCESSARY. Nothing is neccssary in this game.

Since nothing is neccssary in this game as you put thin its not nesscary for Anet do what they did to piss everyone off with that hard hard Elite quest to unlock Razah. Where all the other heors where much easier to get than this one so this one shouldn't be any different.

LifeInfusion · Dec 03, 2006, 02:19 AM // 02:19

A Rit hero is nice, but when you finished all the "Above ground" stuff, it is kind of to late for it...

I think that they should've just made it obtainable via Kaineng City. It is not making sense that a Ritualist hero is ANYWHERE in the Nightfall campaign, since you can only make one in Factions. If anything, Razah should've been replaced by another Paragon or Dervish hero in Domain of Anguish seeing those are NF only.

Kai Nui · Dec 03, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

You have it backwards. Kiting is a PVP behaviour. Why do you think people hate the new A.I.?

But Thomas' comment was misdirected at this thread and obviously he didnt really read it.

Actually kiting is a PVE AND PVP behaviour. If you get nuked, you should run out of there regaurdless of fighting humans or NPCs...

draxynnic · Dec 03, 2006, 03:49 AM // 03:49

/signed.

To people saying that the Ritualist hero isn't 'necassary', there is a grain of truth in that. However, as I said in a post in a now-closed thread, it is far more necassary than anything in any of the other elite areas. Instead of being prestige, it's a mechanical capability that isn't available anywhere else.

It's on a similar level to making an elite skill that can only be capped from deep within an elite area. There are no elite skills that you NEED to have to be successful, but if you don't have them it does reduce your options in a way that not having FoW armour or Tombs/Warrens/Deep green items does not.

And if Happy is reading this: Most missions in Prophecies I've either henched or henched+1 other player at some stage, Dragon's Lair being the exception. My brother and one of my characters henched Cantha. First time around, I heroed and henched my way through Nightfall up to the Domain of Torment, without having a roommate to add additional heroes, and I maintained the Survivor track through most of Vabbi in the process. Don't go denigrating the difficulty of an area until you've actually had a look.

I expect if you gathered your guildies and so on, yes, you could get through. Heroes without LB titles, however, ARE going to get torn apart. And for people in smaller guilds that simply aren't big enough to form 8-man groups... well, at best that's a lot of grinding to get the LB rank that will no doubt be expected to join a PUG, and Dwayna help anyone who wants to get Razah for an Assassin...

aohige · Dec 03, 2006, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Having Razah as only unlockable hero by completing the Elite Mission is fine.
However, I think they should have had another Rt hero that was easily avaialble as a quest in Factions, much like Zenmai.
Razah should be a cosmetic reward, not the only Rt hero in the game.

I don't request the DoA to be easier. Not by a mile.
The challenge of the mission is fine as is, for being an Elite area.
However, the choice to make the only Rt hero as reward does seem like a bad idea to me.

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Originally Posted by Bel

Wasn't accepted to a group because my rank was 6 and not 8. Of course it is only natural that they're better than us because 99.87% of them AFK-farmed those 50,000 points

Actually, you are quite wrong about that.
It's 100%, not 99.87%.

chichory · Dec 03, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32

/signed
The elite area is probably beyond my skill level and i'm fine with that, just it seems alittle unfair to restrict the only rit hero to it.

tomcruisejr · Dec 03, 2006, 05:39 AM // 05:39

Put Razah in presear ascalon, where every monster is level 1s and 2s.

j/k :P

Paperfly · Dec 03, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

/Signed.

Too many of my characters aren't PuG friendly; at the moment it's looking like my monk's going to have to farm gemstones for everyone!

B§x¿44¶»1@$ · Dec 03, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

/notsigned

While they're at it, why not make FoW armor "reasonable" and perhaps even "Legendary Defender of Ascalon" or even make every monster drop Crystalline Swords!

I'm sorry you want something that you don't think is worth what it takes. You have the freedom and the right to not go and unlock anything you don't want to, feel free to use it.

aohige · Dec 03, 2006, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by B§x¿44¶»1@$

/notsigned

While they're at it, why not make FoW armor "reasonable" and perhaps even "Legendary Defender of Ascalon" or even make every monster drop Crystalline Swords!

I'm sorry you want something that you don't think is worth what it takes. You have the freedom and the right to not go and unlock anything you don't want to, feel free to use it.

You DO have alternate of FoW armor, the regular 1.5k max armor you can craft in any campaign. FoW armor is cosmetic brag-right armor, where select few will get it for status and self-satisfaction.

Rt hero does NOT have an alternate, and therefore, not comparable.
That's why I suggest they make another Rt hero, easily available, and keep Razah as the prize of elite mission.

I think you should understand what the topic is about first, before making inaccurate comparisons.
And before you make yet another inaccruate comment, I'll first say I am not one of those whining about the difficulty of DoA. In fact, I'm quite content with it.

shardfenix · Dec 03, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by HzzB

Actually, DoA is an after-game elite area.

Actually, no it's not. Here are some properties that make an elite mission, traditionally.

12 man teams
Not impossible to beat

Domain of Anguish is neither of those. I would call it elite when you can have 12 people running a balanced build and getting somewhere.

ennea · Dec 03, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

/signed

its too much trouble to get this guy. if he was a variable char then that would be acceptable but he's a rit and not all powerful. <.<

Priest Of Sin · Dec 03, 2006, 08:40 AM // 08:40

If Razah was a completely customizeable henchie (as in kinda sorta indicated in the manual) that could be any profession, then he'd be worth 4 stones. Now? He's not worth the effort. I don't have a problem with the general difficulty of DoA, as it is fairly easy with a team of guildies, all set up properly with TeamSpeak, but c'mon, a RIT hero? Wtf, I don't need half the heroes I already have. Rits (and neither is any other class) are NOT worth all this effort. I was excited about this new place, but I just decided to go back to FoW and UW, because they're much easier and more profitable.

And just for giggles, here is the first phrase that came to my mind when I saw Razah:

"Razah, you're like Hundred Blades. There MUST be a purpose for you, but it's hard to imagine what."

noblepaladin · Dec 03, 2006, 09:05 AM // 09:05

I don't think the "not necessary" argument holds here. I agree that rare skin weapons and FoW armor should be difficult to get, but they are "not necessary" because you can get collector weapons and 1.5k armor that is identical in every way except for the skin. However, there is no replacement for the ritualist hero.

What if all Warrior sword skills can only be brought after beating an elite mission? Hey, it is "not necessary", you can play axe.

rong626 · Dec 03, 2006, 10:23 AM // 10:23

/notsigned
he's the only rit in game whilst other profession there are more than 2.But strangely the assassin is the only hero in game too so why wasnt he diffcult to get nad who isnt the rit hero in factions and why NF.So ppl without factions can get a hero rit?hm

aohige · Dec 03, 2006, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by rong626

/notsigned
he's the only rit in game whilst other profession there are more than 2.But strangely the assassin is the only hero in game too so why wasnt he diffcult to get nad who isnt the rit hero in factions and why NF.So ppl without factions can get a hero rit?hm

Not to be offensive, but rong, your sentence makes absolutely no sense.
From what I can understand from the context, you sound like you would actually agree with the OP.