Curse

Aera Lure · Nov 11, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

signed... one of the most annoying things in the game ...

Really? I can think of many others, myself. From your post though I can tell its high on your list.

Its mostly a matter of simply having some candy canes around just in case, and pinging your morale to your partner/team (if you arent alone) when or if the team may be getting enough DP built up. In a difficult area, someone just use the CC earlier than 45% to be safe, or do that yourself if you are alone with H/H.

In the event of a res shrine wipe loop due to a mob camping on the shrine, its mostly just a matter of using the CC faster, but this scenario thankfully doesnt happen that often if you are careful. There was the one in Slaver's that got fixed (yay) but there still remains a few others.

Edit: And then yes, as mentioned below, there are all the strategies one can employ in the hopes of better avoiding such a situation.

I dont find it a big deal myself, having been through a fair bit of vanquishing, HM dungeons and Legendary Guardian, so:

/not signed

DarkGanni · Nov 11, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Use Bow for pulling, better team builds for your heros, rune them up, Use consumables wiser. No reason to change this.

/notsigned.

Saphatorael · Nov 11, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

blah blah rant

Wait, you want it removed because one silly item that should have never been made, can't always realize its full potential?
You should be glad it's in the damn game at all :-/

Vinraith · Nov 11, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Vehemently /notsigned

How could you possibly have something called hard mode and implement it in such a way that it's impossible to lose? This is another one of those "MMO mentality" things, isn't it? Why don't you people go play an MMO instead of trying to change this into one?

lishi · Nov 12, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

signed... one of the most annoying things in the game ...

nothing is more annoying, when you waste douzens of hours for nothing, especially when you were really near to the point to fullfill the vanguish, like that only 5 kills more U've needed and then get kicked causes of the god damn DP...

The sense of using Powerstones is to use them, when full party IS at -60 DP, then the player has the most usage of the stones... it makes no sense to use stones, when only say 1 of 8 is at -60 and all others are like -15 to -45 ...

using stones at such moments is just a waste of the stone .. i use stones, when the usage of them makes most sense and that is, when all are -60% ...
but that I can't then do, because you get auto-kicked -.-
When this stupid autokick gets not deleted, then powerstones should be automatically used, when all are at -60% and you get only auto kicked, when no stone could be used, because none was in the inventary of non character of the party

this would be fair at least.

and no, with ful party -60% you can not death grind everything...there are enough place, where your party simple stands never anymore a chance versus the enemies, once beign all -60Dp, because the enemies just need 1-2 attacks to ikill your whole party again and again and again, where you have everytime to run long ways, before u reach the spot again, and before your back, all enemies are fully healed again ...

and each time you get more DP, it becomes alot harder to fight monsters in HM ...

the whole system around the DP is imbalanced ...

whe get morale, wow only +2%,. but when we die ,its direct -15%!!!
When get get only max of +10%...but - of 60%

does nobody start to thinke at, when comparing that, how unbalanced that system is ? it maybe balanced for PvP, where DP can be very important to help in ecide, which side will win over time, but in PvE, this Dp system is just crap and imba

the morale side needs a buff and the malus side needs a nerf, and the sum, a character gets direct per death needs also a nerf...

balanced means for me, that morale and malus have the same max and not that malus can be 6 times bigger, then morale -.-
DP system for PvE should be like > -25/+25 and more NOT
and when we receive morale, or get malus through death, its -+5%
Then the DP system would be balanced for PvE finally.

Plus, revived monsters should also receive death malus, not only we players, because when not, its unfair, why should only we receive DP, and rezzed monsters not ?
and dont see, that rezzed monsters have anyhow lesser HP, then before they were killed and rezzed ...no, they have the exact same HP -.-

that a call balancing >.> uhh, no that i call that Anet didn't make their work correct !!!
DP only destroy the fun factor of PvE, as long its so unbalanced as it is since the beginning of GW ...

the game could really need a refreshed better balanced DP-System, or better no DP-System for pvE at all, as long DP doesnät count for enemies too -.-

This is a good reason why balance and some game mecanism should not be leaved to player

Productivity · Nov 12, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Instead of changing the game, it would be much easier for you to suck less.

iridescentfyre · Nov 12, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

signed... one of the most annoying things in the game ...

nothing is more annoying, when you waste douzens of hours for nothing, especially when you were really near to the point to fullfill the vanguish, like that only 5 kills more U've needed and then get kicked causes of the god damn DP...

The sense of using Powerstones is to use them, when full party IS at -60 DP, then the player has the most usage of the stones... it makes no sense to use stones, when only say 1 of 8 is at -60 and all others are like -15 to -45 ...

using stones at such moments is just a waste of the stone .. i use stones, when the usage of them makes most sense and that is, when all are -60% ...
but that I can't then do, because you get auto-kicked -.-
When this stupid autokick gets not deleted, then powerstones should be automatically used, when all are at -60% and you get only auto kicked, when no stone could be used, because none was in the inventary of non character of the party

this would be fair at least.

and no, with ful party -60% you can not death grind everything...there are enough place, where your party simple stands never anymore a chance versus the enemies, once beign all -60Dp, because the enemies just need 1-2 attacks to ikill your whole party again and again and again, where you have everytime to run long ways, before u reach the spot again, and before your back, all enemies are fully healed again ...

and each time you get more DP, it becomes alot harder to fight monsters in HM ...

the whole system around the DP is imbalanced ...

whe get morale, wow only +2%,. but when we die ,its direct -15%!!!
When get get only max of +10%...but - of 60%

does nobody start to thinke at, when comparing that, how unbalanced that system is ? it maybe balanced for PvP, where DP can be very important to help in ecide, which side will win over time, but in PvE, this Dp system is just crap and imba

the morale side needs a buff and the malus side needs a nerf, and the sum, a character gets direct per death needs also a nerf...

balanced means for me, that morale and malus have the same max and not that malus can be 6 times bigger, then morale -.-
DP system for PvE should be like > -25/+25 and more NOT
and when we receive morale, or get malus through death, its -+5%
Then the DP system would be balanced for PvE finally.

Plus, revived monsters should also receive death malus, not only we players, because when not, its unfair, why should only we receive DP, and rezzed monsters not ?
and dont see, that rezzed monsters have anyhow lesser HP, then before they were killed and rezzed ...no, they have the exact same HP -.-

that a call balancing >.> uhh, no that i call that Anet didn't make their work correct !!!
DP only destroy the fun factor of PvE, as long its so unbalanced as it is since the beginning of GW ...

the game could really need a refreshed better balanced DP-System, or better no DP-System for pvE at all, as long DP doesnät count for enemies too -.-

Yeah, its almost like dying is a bad thing intended to be avoided.

PvE is already too easy. The last thing this game needs is to be dumbed down even further. If your group isn't competent enough to avoid getting 60% death penalty on all eight members, you have failed PvE. At least in hard mode, you deserve to be ejected completely. If you think about it, its doing you a favor: obviously you were unprepared, and it gives you a chance to fix it instead of wasting untold hours fighting through it at 60% DP.