Curse

pumpkin pie · Nov 17, 2007, 03:55 AM // 03:55

If a warrior has enough attribute points in strength, how about they can use a 2 handed weapon single hand?

I think thats what strength are for anyway.. but then your warrior will loose the armor penetration bonus by half since its a heavier weapon to wield.

PS: how come warrior cannot wield 2 swords?

ValaOfTheFens · Nov 17, 2007, 06:05 AM // 06:05

pumpkin pie: Dual wielding swords is an extraordinary feat of training and skill. In terms of GW, it would make game mechanics extremely complicated to have a Warrior dual wielding two swords. Maybe ANet can pull it off for GW2.

Rangers rarely use knives as weapons. Their primary weapons are the bow and the sword. Combined with their knowledge of nature and how to manipulate their surroundings, this makes Rangers extremely versatile fighters. However, in GW Rangers are only given the bow and for now thats all they can have. In GW2 I'd like to see better handling of the classes. Its always bothered me why Clerics are called Monks and how people think Rangers and Druids are the same thing.

Dougal Kronik · Nov 18, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Here's hoping they handle the dynamaics of the various classes better with GW2.

The Lurch · Nov 18, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by gremlin

It would be nice to have a weapon of any kind based either on wilderness survival or expertise.
I would go for a crossbow based on expertise, they are mechanical and need less training than bows...

You have never shot a crossbow before have you? They are not easier to train in than a normal bow, they are about the same. Especially if you want top reload them fast. THe drawback poundage on them is usually over 200 pounds, which if you are unfamiliar to bows, thats at least over 150 pounds on a compound (please correct me on that if i'm wrong, I shoot recurve bows, not compund bows, and my recurve has only like 60 pounds of drawback, and it is one hell of a bow to pull back).

But anyway, as far as melee weapons for a ranger go, you know what you can do to get opne? Switch to R/W, or R/A or evwen R/D, theres your melee weapon. It works just as fine. We dont need to introduce a whole new set of weapons just so you can fight in close combat. Why, you can even fire your bow in close combast! Theres even two skills designed for it! Point Blank SHot, and Zojun's SHot! Those work very nicely with a high expertise! Or go touch ranger even!

Please excuse my man mispellings and other mistakes, my internet is so retarded right now, it litterally freezes uup every 5 seconds while on my browser.

gremlin · Nov 18, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by The Lurch

You have never shot a crossbow before have you? They are not easier to train in than a normal bow, they are about the same. Especially if you want top reload them fast. THe drawback poundage on them is usually over 200 pounds, which if you are unfamiliar to bows, thats at least over 150 pounds on a compound (please correct me on that if i'm wrong, I shoot recurve bows, not compund bows, and my recurve has only like 60 pounds of drawback, and it is one hell of a bow to pull back).

But anyway, as far as melee weapons for a ranger go, you know what you can do to get opne? Switch to R/W, or R/A or evwen R/D, theres your melee weapon. It works just as fine. We dont need to introduce a whole new set of weapons just so you can fight in close combat. Why, you can even fire your bow in close combast! Theres even two skills designed for it! Point Blank SHot, and Zojun's SHot! Those work very nicely with a high expertise! Or go touch ranger even!

Please excuse my man mispellings and other mistakes, my internet is so retarded right now, it litterally freezes uup every 5 seconds while on my browser.

Firstly yes I have fired bows of all kinds Self longbows compounds recurves mongol and aciatic ones too.
Never fired a Japanese one though.
Crossbows yes I have fired crossbows Not a cranquin or heavy siege style bow but the standard European medieval style yes I certainly have, And in reenactment battles too.

It is so far as I am aware considered a fact amongst the historians that to become a Longbowman took many years of practice and most archers would begin as children.
These are the people sho could have 3 arrows in the air at the same time and who could fire over a building and place all the arrows in a small area that they cannot even see.

The Crossbow can be fired effectivly with probably a weeks training
Thats a huge difference and why most european armies had crossbowmen not longbowman.

As for the idea of alternative weapons for Rangers the whole point about it is to have weapons in some or all of the ranger other skill areas.

At the moment you must have points in marksmanship to use the bow, some of us would like weapons in wilderness survival or expertise as this would allow more varied builds.

To take a weapon from a secondary profession is far worse, you still use up the points for that weapon only now its a weapon that your ranger attack skills dont work with.

Its nice to meet another archer though and I will rethink the idea in case I can find an alternative build stratergy.

=HT=Ingram · Nov 18, 2007, 07:13 AM // 07:13

I always wanted the Ranger offhand with a bow to either be a quiver for better arrow buffs (like explosive or long range arrows, or something like that with a limited natural buff {IE needs refilled}), OR a pet buff in some fashion (collar was a good example).

However I do agree that Now when the game is basically being retired, its a little late in the game to add something that would so fundamentally change the class as a whole... And seeing as Anet is going out of their way now to try to piss off the community at every opportunity, to see how they react to fundamental changes to the game 3 years later... I doubt anything like this, that would be an over all improvement, will happen for the community.

Wilderness Survival Slings are interesting. beast master whips or expertise crossbows also interesting... But again Doubtful at this late a day in the game. Unfortunately...

odly · Nov 18, 2007, 07:42 AM // 07:42

A whip linked to beastmastery.

MithranArkanere · Nov 19, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

A whip and a focy (liken a dog toy as foci) would be somehow funny for beastmastery.

Narcissia · Nov 23, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Originally Posted by odly

A whip linked to beastmastery.

i agree.
mostly so i can have a Me/R using a whip >.>

lol

pumpkin pie · Nov 23, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

something like a "trap knife that sprung out of the ranger sleeves" only usable in close range of course. but that would defeat the purpose of having a stormbow... well anyway, good to have if you are a toucher probably.

and knife that sprung out of the sleeves can be for all profession i guess. I think its only logical that we pack extra weapons on our character while out fighting/farming ...

come to think of it, there isn't a class that uses a flail type weapon? how come the warrior has a flail skill but not the weapon?

Drakken Breathes Fire · Nov 23, 2007, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Blow-gun+darts.
Anyone remember those annoying Bone Fetishes in Diablo 2?

MithranArkanere · Nov 23, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Wah... I hated them, specially those bosses with the "Thorns" property that made them return damage to you and the "Explosive" property that made them deal as much damage as they had when being alive. You kill them, you die. Yargh.

But if you add more weapons to rangers, you'll have to do the same for all other martial professions but warrior. And paragon just leadership... maybe a baton, or scepter of command, like Diablo II paladins had.

Kanyatta · Nov 23, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Honestly, I love the idea, except for one thing

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Originally Posted by R3LIC

Leather Leash
Energy +5
Armor +10 for you and your pet (requires 9 Beast Mastery)
Health +20 (requires 9 Expertise)

Jeweled Collar
Energy +5
Armor +10 for you and your pet (requires 9 Beast Mastery)
Beast Mastery +1 (20% Chance when using skills)

what if you don't have a pet? do you still get the Armor +10? or there would have to be some other mod that isnt "Armor +10 for you and pet (req. 9 BM)"

i think it would be great, and would really mix up PvP