Curse

draxynnic · Dec 09, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

One thing I've noticed with the new professions is that at least half of them seem to have been in response to requests from the players for classes to fill certain roles. The Assassin, for instance, seems to have been a response to various requests for a rogue-type 'light fighter' character to complement the Warrior, while before the Nightfall professions were revealed there were requests for a 'singing' type character that expanded on the Warrior shouts - something we now have in the form of the Paragon.

So, something I thought that was worth doing - and something that I thought the Exsisting classes and thier purpose might be heading towards (or something similar) until it deteriorated and was ultimately closed - was to create a list of what features are missing in existing professions - or what features form a small part of the character of existing professions that could be expanded to form the basis (or a basis) for a new profession. I'm not looking for concept classes - they can have their own threads, and there's already a thread indexing concept classes - what I'm looking for is the "Wouldn't it be nice to have a profession that does X?" If you do have, or know of, a concept class that uses your idea, you may link to the thread in which it is described, but please no more than that.

Now, because I don't want this thread to be closed too, and in order to keep the thread relatively compact, I'd like to set some ground rules regarding discussion (even though I have no means of actually enforcing them). These are that no discussion of an idea in this thread should go more than the following four steps (beyond this, I'm sure ANet's people can make their own decisions when they read this):

1) If you have an idea, post it, and when I come across it I'll collect it into the amalgamated list (which should be the post under this one, unless someone is really fast at responding to this post or my internet hiccoughs. I'll try to update it around once a day, but I can't make any guarantees).

2) If you feel that someone else's idea already exists in the game (say, if someone suggests traps, which are already adequately covered by the Ranger), you may make a single post stating that you think it's redundant, and how it's already in the game. (If someone else has already made the same objection, please refrain from posting)

3) If someone objects to one of your ideas, you may edit your original post to agree with the objector (in which case I'll remove it from the list) or to state why you think the source cited by the objector does not cover the idea as you intended.

4) If you have objected as per step 2 and you are swayed by someone's argument as per step 3, edit the post in which you objected to state that you have removed your objection.

Any discussion beyond that is best taken to PMs. I intend to be completely neutral in maintaining the collated list - I will not remove anything that the person who posted the idea has not withdrawn unless it is actually introduced into the game via a new profession (or a new set of skills for an existing one), even if I personally believe it should be. The exception is that if I think a post is about a concept class rather than an idea for a potential future profession to use, I will say so and not add it. To use an example, a couple of my suggestions will be powers normally associated with druids, but if some posts to suggest druids, I will not add 'druid' to the list.

Anyway, to get the ball rolling:

* Magic that influences plant life.
* Reactive shapeshifting. While Dervishes have the Form skills, apart from the 'coolness' factor, these are a relatively minor part of their concept: since the skills are Elite, under normal circumstances they will only have one in their bar at a time and will generally want to have that Form up during every combat if possible - the only reason not to use it is to save it for a better target. What I'd like to see is a character that can change forms in reaction to the battlefield situation, with each form having advantages and disadvantages, compared to the Dervish which simply has default human for and avatar form.

draxynnic · Dec 09, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Added post numbers for ease of reference.
Introduced links to related threads.

Sorted list into categories

Magic and magic-related:
* Magic that influences plant life (draxynnic, post 1)
* Sustained Hexes (nebojats, post 5)
* Dedicated battery (nebojats, post 5; Giddeanx, post 6)
* Spell relay (Crom The Pale, post 7)
* Alternate spell area shapes (BahamutKaiser, post 8; paragraph below Dash attacks; hazygin, post 61)
* Time manipulator (lyra song, post 9)
* Elemental weapon spells (BahamutKaiser, post 13)
* AOE hexes and enchantments (Gingetsuryuu, post 22; disputed BahamutKaiser, post 23)
* On-attack hexes and enchantments (Gingetsuryuu, post 22; disputed BahamutKaiser, post 23)
* Ward specialisation (Gordon Ecker, post 27; disputed BahamutKaiser, post 28)
* Well specialisation (Gordon Ecker, post 27; disputed BahamutKaiser, post 28)
* Spells with conditional effects based on caster (Gordon Ecker, post 34; Crom the Pale, post 35; System_Crush, post 67)
* Long-range nondamaging hexes (Manfred, post 57)
* Spell distance variation (hazygin, post 61)
* Condition/hex prevention (System_Crush, post 69)
* Condition/hex reversal (System_Crush, post 69)
* Elementalist-type with alternate elements (Winterclaw, post 88)
* Sustained skills (BahamutKaiser)
* Life sacrifice (BahamutKaiser)
* Skill robbery (BahamutKaiser)

Pets and summons:
* Summons requiring energy maintenance (BahamutKaiser, post 13; System Crush, post 3,14)
* Summon-linked skills (BahamutKaiser, post 13)

Weapons and fighting styles:
* Balanced Ranged/Melee (System Crush, post 3)
* Preperation specialist (actionjack, post 4)
* Damage redirecting tank (nebojats, post 5; Giddeanx, post 6)
* Multiple weapon attribute combinations (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Dash attacks (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Quick Draw attacks (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Variable weapon statistics (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Skills changing weapon attack type, ie from melee to ranged (BahamutKaiser, post 8, post 13)
* Attack spells (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Elemental stances (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Weapon throw skills (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Blocker (lyra song, post 9)
* Grappler (lyra song, post 9; chaoticmadness, post 53)
* Single-use preparations (BahamutKaiser, post 13)
* Sabotage skills (BahamutKaiser, post 13)
* Defensive skills in weapon attributes (BahamutKaiser, post 13)
* Flanking benefits (Gingetsuryuu, post 22)
* Generic Attack skills (Gordon Ecker, post 27; disputed draxynnic, post 32)
* Generic Ranged Attack Skills (Gordon Ecker, post 27)
* Attribute granting passive chnce to retaliate against attacks (BahamutKaiser, post 36)
* "Disarmed" condition (Aeon Xin, post 77)
* True dual weapons (Aeon Xin, post 77
* Reach weapons (Aeon Xin, post 77; others, post 89-95)
* Conditional damage weapons (nebojats, post 84; System_Crush, post 85)
* Energy-damaging weapons (System_Crush, post 85)
* Skills that require a minimum adrenaline to sustain (Red Dragon56, post 87)
* Melee support (Winterclaw, post 88)
* Stance chaining (DeathShadowX)
* Focus on unstrippable stancelike skills (DeathShadowX)

Mobility:
* Teleporter (actionjack, post 4)
* Sneaker (actionjack, post 4; nebojats, post 5; Teger, post 74)
* Flight (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Mounts (BahamutKaiser, post 8; lyra song, post 9, Aeon Xin, post 77)
* Ability to attack while moving (BahamutKaiser, post 13)
* Pathing obstruction (actionjack, post 40)
* Lures (actionjack, post 40)
* Forced enemy movement (hazygin, post 61)

Miscellaneous:
* Reactive shapeshifting (draxynnic, post 1; actionjack, post 4; BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Energy Denial specialist (System Crush, post 3)
* Mob Control (actionjack, post 4)
* Condition/hex controller (actionjack, post 4)
* Spiking traps/mechanical (actionjack, post 4)
* Chance-based (actionjack, post 4)
* Non-target specific AOE (nebojats, post 5)
* Hostage taking (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Seduction (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Damage Inversion (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Auras (BahamutKaiser, post 8; lyra song, post 9)
* Self-revival (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Death penalty removal (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Creatures (BahamutKaiser, post 8)
* Artillery (lyra song, post 9)
* Extreme sacrificer (lyra song, post 9)
* Skills linked to offhands (BahamutKaiser, post 13)
* Summon-like illusions (Gingetsuryuu, post 22)
* Glyph specialisation (Gordon Ecker, post 27, DeathShadowX; disputed BahamutKaiser, post 28)
* Signet specialisation (Gordon Ecker, post 27, DeathShadowX)
* Touch specialisation (Gordon Ecker, post 27
* Environment manipulation (Crom the Pale, post 31)
* Resurrecting players as minions (Tempy, post 52)
* Terrain creation (Giddeanx, post 54, 56; actionjack, post 59; hazygin, post 61; BahamutKaiser, post 63, 65; Teger, post 74)
* Information control (Sir Tificate, post 70)
* Conditional effects (Sir Tificate, post 70)
* Polymorphal skills (Sir Tificate, post 70)
* "Encouragement" skills (System Crush, post 104; actionjack, post 105)

System_Crush · Dec 09, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Well I feel the need to be the first p*****s and go: Actually,
Assasins are Anet's answer to touchers, also ofcource to that of the demand for a rogue like class(originally intended for mesmers; no, I didn't understand that either)
Half of the assassin was rogue, criticals a lot, is fast, sneaky(shadowstep and plenty of ways for damage prevention)
They also solved most of the toucher their problems, warping to a foe and to safety, aditional touch skills, a weapon that helps with heavy melee spiking,

Ever since factions, people no longer look at touchers as inferior, not only because of assassin but also because of may skills benefitial to them introduced for other professions with factions.

Anet not only made the assassin for the demand of a rogue, but also used it to balance touching a mechanic that was suposed to be balanced from the start of GW.

on that subject I have a couple of (missing)functions, from builds that are so inventive/sidewinding they deserve their own class.

Energy Denial
Pet Raging(not the ranger or MM kind, 1 pet that takes the party function of the character, the hero is only there to support his pet, damage and offencive skills suck(also from second proff as buffing pet would debuff self))
Balanced Ranged/melee (ofcource you can do it mutly classing, but even when multy classing there is no way to be truly effective in both at the same time(with 2 weapon sets, the having max 8 skills is the problem), there should be a class specially for that)

P.S. The dervish was a combination of friendly enchantment controll(while assasins got agressive enchantment controll) and the demand for a 2handed big weapon user.

actionjack · Dec 09, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Sad to hear that the other thred (which was very good) got close due to some "issues"... well.. atleast I still got a cookie....

I mentioned few roles that I think still could be added to game in the previous thread (mob control, teleporter, sneaker). One more I think would be intersting to see is a Shifter.

A Shifter (be it shapeshifter, durids, or such) are characterize by their versatileness on the battle field, meaning they could change their build or stats in between or onfly, going from a caster to a melee or to a healer on situation's need. The Monlith mob you face in Nightfall (with their ablity to change proffessions) could be an example. Of couse, how such thing can be done or be balance, will leave that to you. (did made a CC about it befoe that no one read though....( )

In term of playing style or mechanic, a Condition/hex controller like the Deflier by Tuoba Hturt Eht is a good choice. A Preperation heavy (potions) Alchemist, A damage-spike traps/mechanical Engineer type, Heavy Chance-based skill like that of a Gambler, all have a good space as additon for new class.

nebojats · Dec 10, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

One idea which really stuck out from the last thread: (I'm sorry, I don't remember who mentioned it):

Non-target specific AoE (Giddeanx)

Other ideas I've seen thrown around/thought of:

Stealth
Sustained Hexes (System_Crush)
An Energy Monk (what the monk does for health, this guy does for energy)

If you want, check out the Metabolist to see what I mean by those.

EDIT: Oh yeah! A class that can actually act as a tank in PvP. Someone who can actually redirect damage to himself to protect weaker allies (I'm pretty sure I first saw this idea put forward by BahamutKaiser). I think the Shrift fills the role, but I am partial to my own creation.

Giddeanx · Dec 10, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

They shut down my thread.

I'm kind of glad my old thread has bit it here are some of my ideas from the dung heap of flames.

I might have an example of what you are speaking about as true tanking.
Familiar
He actually forms a bond with the caster and acts as a sort of battery.

I always want to suggest a second line fighter, one who is not on the attack but waiting for the foe with the monks and spellcasters. (FF Red Mage type)
I made a jester who kind of fits this roll.

I also want to suggest another area of AOE attacker I just wish it didn't have to be target based. Maybe you could drop a temporary target sigil and use that. Dropping it in choke points would be benifical to both PvP and PvE.

Crom The Pale · Dec 10, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56

An intersting idea I had was for a class that would sit between the melee fighters and the casters.

This class would not have any spells but would reflect the spells from his allies to there targets.

The idea being to move the casters a little farther from the front lines and still beable to hit foes there.

So for example a nuker would target this allie standing at the edge of his range with Searing Flames.
This class would then recive the skill in his skill bar for 0-5 seconds or untill used. When he selected a target the spell would instant cast on that target with the exact stats as originally cast on him.

Skills for this char would be to grant energy to allies casting on him or to bost there dmg by a small amount with an elite skills maybe...

He could also use skills simalar to ward against foes to keep people from rushing past him to reach the safe casters.

BahamutKaiser · Dec 10, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Good Thread, this would be a great tool to draw abilities for new classes. I know alot of you don't wan't to bother with me, so I will keep on topic if you can as well.

Well where to start, I have some ideas, and I heard some ideas elsewhere, but I don't have a record of those who suggested some of them, so I will just offer them as unknown developers and maybe yal can locate the original designers.

I guess I can start with some material I discovered.

From Shinobi.
Multiple attack attribute combinations. Basicly allowing you to use several attack oriented attributes, and a Primary attribute which allows a combination of attacks from each attribute wile attacking.

From Shinobi and Samurai.
Dash attacks which cause a character to move a set amount of paces in a straight line instantly, dealing damage to enemies passed through in the proccess.

This type of function can be applied to spells and abilities of a wide variety, attacks or effects could be applied in a straight line eminating from your character, or in several lines, or a wave, Dealing damage in unique patterns and paths which can hit several targets, but not as much as an AoE effect which deals an effect in a Radius. This goes hand in hand with Giddeanx idea for a location or group effect which doesn't rely on enemy location. Such abilities could include the old school "Fire Wall" Allowing Elementist to create a long yet narrow barrier of fire directly in front of him which spans a good distance, dealing DoT to enemies who try to walk through it.

From Samurai Expansion concept.
The Quick Draw Abilities, which are particular to Katana wielding, allowing you to restrain your attack and prepare for a counter that triggers upon the next melee attack against you. Features critical damage and high figures.

The Quick Draw Abilities go hand in hand with Sheathing abilities which restrain your attack, and may offer benificial regeneration, Energy regen, or Adrenaline building options.

Also featured is the multi weapon, which offers more than one weapon statisitic in a single weapon, that applies differently depending on skills used.

From Shaman and Stalker.
Shapeshifting, involving skills used to Shapeshift granting small passive bonuses, and also allowing cost effective attack skills wile in certain forms, simular to the efficiency of pet attack skills.

From Stalker.
Hostage Holding. A complicated technique which involves immobilizing a foe without disabling them like knockdown. Also includes a function which disables any allies from attacking your hostaged foe, and causes any damage taken from enemies to be duplicated onto the hostage as a punishment measure. For the Stalker suggestion this also includes physical lifestealing as well, receiving certain amounts of health over time like a lifestealing DoT on a single target. See Stalker for more information.

Also featured are Seduction abilities and hexes. Which deal enhanced effects on the opposite gender, and weaker default effects on same or non-gender foes, sometimes failing on non-gender (simular to some conditions).

Also featured are Damage Inversion abilities. Abilities which reduce damage against certain spell types in your location, and skills which temporarily increase in power if you are hit with certain spell types, conditions or hexes.

Also featured are Barrier spells, which allow offensive and defensive effects to be applied to a large radius around your character at the additional costs of mobility loss and energy maintenance.

Also featured are Self Revival techniques, enchantments or preperations which trigger self ressurection if killed wile under its effect. Some include offensive damage upon ressurection wile others involve "Weakness" and side effects.

Also featured are Death Penalty Removal skills.

From Dragon.
Features Creature based classes which omit the use of Secondary Profession use unlike Professions. These Creatures rely on a diverse pool of attributes and skill types of their own and cannot use combinations to diversify their abilities.

Features Flight, which disables your melee attack, reduces the damage received from melee, and allows you to move over units and low lying ground barriers.

Features Breath abilities which trade melee attack for ranged attacks dealing multiple kinds of damage.

Also mentioned are other impressive creatures like Pheonix or Large birds of prey, Griffins, Kirins and Unicorn, and many other manner of Mythical creature.

From "mount riding class".
Features skills which bestow a mount when equipped (limit one), adding defensive bonuses and the ability to use unique skills limited to mount riding.

Mount riding skills which allow prolonged and high speed movement boosts wile on a Horse type mount. And Mount Riding skills which offer defense to nearby allies, or intercept attacks for nearby allies wile on Elephant type mounts. Also features Trample and Stamped effects which offer minor speed increases and damage to adjacent enemies wile moving, available with Elephant mounts.

From "attack spell class".
Features attacks which activate spell damage on a melee location. Delivers extreme figures and effects wile requiring a delay which makes the attack spell escapable. Activates like an attack, cannot be interrupted after activated, but delayed effects can be escaped. Mostly melee abilities.

Also features elemental stances, which deal certain elemental damage wile adding a small defensive stance on your character.

Features quick, low damage attack spells, small delays, small damage.

From Juggernaut.
Features ranged attacks which require an equipped skill. Equip skill activation triggers weapon throw, and other weapon throw skills can be used wile weapon equip skill is available, offering different throws and effects.

Weapon throwing includes boomerang action which deals damage to all foes in a path through the target in a narrow oval, and repeating damage to all foes on return as well. Additional throwing skills would offer different weapon flight paths and effects.

That is all the abilities I have developed wile creating and complimenting many different classes. Many of them are developed particularly for those classes, but many of them can be reverse engineered into other ideas to fulfill unique abilities and functions. Next time around I will detail abilities I have picked up from others....oh yeah, and I left out a few from another class I complimented, I will add that to this later. Well, maybe it was like 3 or 4 more.

lyra_song · Dec 10, 2006, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Heres from my ideas for functions (posted or otherwise)

I usually come up with stuff based on 2 styles that negate each other.

Artillery Concept (Illuminary): Long Distance attack from the rear. Very powerful, but skills require immobility/vulnerability.

Cavalry concept (Elk Knight): speed buff based unit used for "bulldozing" (ie: BK's trample/stamped effects), used to punch deep through the frontlines to get to rear targets.

-----------------------

Gemini concept (Multiplica) : Blocker/Tank class based on creating "illusionary forms" to restrain movement.

Grappler/Wrestler concept (Sumo formerly Shoot Brawler): Melee based attacks with ally and enemy control based on Throws. Forced movements to help and hinder and move players out of the way.

---------------

Sacrifice concept (Relinquisher): Playing with negative effects (damage, immobility, shutdown) based on curses that activate after a set amount of time. Plays with death penalty, health and energy sacrifices to help/hinder/damage.

Temporal concept (Tempus): playing with activation times, recharge times, duration of echantments, hexes, shouts, stances. Buff/Debuff class.

----------------------------

i would mention my pottery based class (ceramicist) but that idea has already been absorbed by the ritualist

Deleet · Dec 10, 2006, 06:06 AM // 06:06

I do not believe more professions are a good idea.

Artillery Concept (Illuminary): Long Distance attack from the rear. Very powerful, but skills require immobility/vulnerability.

Ritualist, he needs some more useful spirit move and destoy skills.

Cavalry concept (Elk Knight): speed buff based unit used for "bulldozing" (ie: BK's trample/stamped effects), used to punch deep through the frontlines to get to rear targets.

Sounds like warrior skills. Maybe "push" type skill, but i don't think they would be good with the current engine.

-----------------------

Gemini concept (Multiplica) : Blocker/Tank class based on creating "illusionary forms" to restrain movement.

Illusion mesmer.

Grappler/Wrestler concept (Sumo formerly Shoot Brawler): Melee based attacks with ally and enemy control based on Throws. Forced movements to help and hinder and move players out of the way.

IMO, too many skills that hinders oppponents from action are not a good idea. Eg. Knockdown aligned skills.

---------------

Sacrifice concept (Relinquisher): Playing with negative effects (damage, immobility, shutdown) based on curses that activate after a set amount of time. Plays with death penalty, health and energy sacrifices to help/hinder/damage.

Necromancer, though DP skills would need a lot of balancing to not be too powerful.

Temporal concept (Tempus): playing with activation times, recharge times, duration of echantments, hexes, shouts, stances. Buff/Debuff class.

Mesmer, already there.

lyra_song · Dec 10, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deleet

I do not believe more professions are a good idea.

Artillery Concept (Illuminary): Long Distance attack from the rear. Very powerful, but skills require immobility/vulnerability.

Ritualist, he needs some more useful spirit move and destoy skills.

Cavalry concept (Elk Knight): speed buff based unit used for "bulldozing" (ie: BK's trample/stamped effects), used to punch deep through the frontlines to get to rear targets.

Sounds like warrior skills. Maybe "push" type skill, but i don't think they would be good with the current engine.

-----------------------

Gemini concept (Multiplica) : Blocker/Tank class based on creating "illusionary forms" to restrain movement.

Illusion mesmer.

Grappler/Wrestler concept (Sumo formerly Shoot Brawler): Melee based attacks with ally and enemy control based on Throws. Forced movements to help and hinder and move players out of the way.

IMO, too many skills that hinders oppponents from action are not a good idea. Eg. Knockdown aligned skills.

---------------

Sacrifice concept (Relinquisher): Playing with negative effects (damage, immobility, shutdown) based on curses that activate after a set amount of time. Plays with death penalty, health and energy sacrifices to help/hinder/damage.

Necromancer, though DP skills would need a lot of balancing to not be too powerful.

Temporal concept (Tempus): playing with activation times, recharge times, duration of echantments, hexes, shouts, stances. Buff/Debuff class.

Mesmer, already there.

While the core classes are very diverse and can do similar things, my concept classes exceed specific tasks that your comparing them to and are designed to offer new ways to play.

Just wait and see until i post it, then you can decide

but based on my super simplified statements, yes they do sound the same.

draxynnic · Dec 10, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Whoah, that was a lot - although I suppose I should have expected it with people bringing up all the existing ideas

.

Some of the various ideas I've consolidated into one (for instance, the only real difference between my shapeshifter, actionjack's and BK's is in just how much of a change the shapeshifting results in, and I've gathered the barrier and mount effects raised in this thread by BK under the term "Auras"). There isn't anything I've deliberately excluded, so if there's anything I've missed, please PM me to rectify this error (after checking that it isn't just in a different spot due to consolidation, that is).

BahamutKaiser · Dec 10, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Alright, now where was I?

Ah yes, the summoner ideas I had.

From Summoner
Features Familiars which cost energy and maintenance to summon, being of a simular nature to pets.

Features special attack commands that trigger a group of Familiars to use special attacks or effects with a single command.

From Various.
Off-hand weapons which enable a unique set of related skills to be used.
Sabatoge abilities which reduce armor on specific parts of the body and increase potency of certain conditions for a short period of time, also featuring interrupt.

Primary weapon attribute that include defensive and protective properties for allies and self.

Weapon Spell attacks, a Weapon spell which adds an additional elemental or spell property to the next attack.

(related to Preperation skills) The ability to deliver Prepared potions with a slingshot weapon for damage dealing on enemies and healing on allies.

The ability to attack without pausing wile on a mount (allows one to continue pursuit wile attacking).

From Stalker.
The ability to utilize ranged attack skills with a melee weapon.

.......I think I am drawing a blank. Well I have some new ideas which I need to iron out to be useful, and I will check some developement threads to salvage old ideas from other sites. BRB.

System_Crush · Dec 11, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

* Pets filling roles other than melee damage (System Crush, post 3)

Actually, thats not entirely what I said, ritualists already cover that aquadly.

My idea pretty much fits in whith the other summoner ideas of sustained debuffs while you have summoned ally.
A pet class thet suports their pet instead of their pet suporting them.
(or having an army of pets they need to support)

Though as I am a fan of a Metaphysasist I tried not to make it sound like one, because that would mean stealing a lot of skills from ritualist.
The thing I was on about was:
Having 1 pet that is stronger than the profession could normaly be in a build of the profession with the best un-pet-related skills.(this is excluding second prof of cource)

Alaris · Dec 11, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Would be nice if someone could sort this list...

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

Added post numbers for ease of reference:

draxynnic · Dec 12, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alaris

Would be nice if someone could sort this list...

Posting from work, so I won't be updating the list for a few more hours, but...

What kind of sorting do you have in mind?

BahamutKaiser · Dec 12, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

Maybe he wants chronological? Although IMO, it should be divided into sub catagories.

Offensive, Defensive, Survival, Support, Sabotage and Mobility. Pretty much all abilities can fall into those realms. Other headers could include Armor and Weapon abilities.

draxynnic · Dec 12, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

It's already chronological - they're more-or-less in order of which post in this thread they were introduced in, except when I determined that one person's idea was close enough to another's to meld, in which case I added the additional post reference to the first appearance on the list.

I'll have a look at sorting by category next time I update the list.

Venus was her name · Dec 12, 2006, 11:35 PM // 23:35

i don't think adding more classes would be good, but i like the sound of a class that has non target AoE, maybe combine it with somebody who can attack while moving. like a speed based movement and agility type charcater. non target AoE would get so abused..lol

also stealth that would be nice although does GW really have the capacity for it? its not like D+D game, becuase stealth in GW wouldnt really have a function in GW, if it did id would be part of the mesmer or assasin class i guess.

draxynnic · Dec 13, 2006, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Not everything here necassarily has to go on a new profession. Non-targetted AoE, for instance, could simply be a control upgrade (possibly by making it so that if you attempt to use an AoE without a valid target selected, you get a control similar to that for planting flags through which you can choose where to centre the effect?) for all professions with non-point-blank AoE effects rather than requiring a new profession. In fact, that would be my favoured method of introduction.

On stealth - while I personally agree with you (in fact, I think the Assassin's shadowstepping is essentially a tacit admission by ANet that the game is probably never going to see true stealth) the idea of this thread isn't to discuss whether a particular idea has merit - I've seen far too many threads go down in flamewars through such discussions. Instead, I just wanted to gather all the various concepts into one place where the reader could quickly browse over them and come to their own conclusions.