Curse

genofreek · Dec 02, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Don't want people to think you're 13? Capital letters and not using abbreviations like "smth" could help. My points about everything else still stands. If anyone seriously wasn't able to scratch together the cash for BMP in the time ANet gave, maybe they should think about cheaper forms of recreation.

And yeah, for my argument the tengu mask and mission pack pretty much are the same. They're limited time optional bonuses that are no longer available, and threads still pop up with people asking for them to be reissued, which isn't going to happen.

iriyabran · Dec 02, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

yeah you might get near my age if you double your thirteen
i would send you my autobiography but you are not really interested right
you only want to nag like most of the people here

bdw i have never said it should be given for free
and i think the op qualified for the bmp
most of those who didn't actually want to buy it

Marcson · Dec 02, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by genofreek

And yeah, for my argument the tengu mask and mission pack pretty much are the same. They're limited time optional bonuses that are no longer available, and threads still pop up with people asking for them to be reissued, which isn't going to happen.

Ingame festivals have little to do with the essential storyline that's included into GW. Which is what the BMP is mainly about. Lots of essential GW characters come back in the BMP and only the people who payed "more for less" (the digital download is not as sweet as the physical version, you all must admit) get to see some very nice stuff that Anet made for promotion purposses only.

They should just have promoted the BMP also through the local resellers and such. That I could have lived with. But now it's like they just want you to only use their ingame shop to download the digital versions of the game with some bonus included.

The thing is that they want to do this because they make more money of their digital downloads instead of all the things that come around the corner when shipping and reselling their games. Digital download delivers them more money then the physical versions, thats just the way it is. They likely get more money off the digital GWEN + BMP then the whole physical version alltogether. Else they could've also included the BMP with the physical version of GWEN.

I bet this was a test for things to come when GW2 arrives. Society is also more and more going towards digital downloads also, so be prepared. It's either a physical version or a digital download with (not likely) extra ingame stuff from here on.

MithranArkanere · Dec 02, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

It took a lot of effort to make the BMP.

Sorrow's Furnace and the Real of Anguish were 'delayed' parts, not 'extras for free'. We paid them by paying Prophecies and Nightfall.

Even the events are available only for those who own certain campaigns.

Fril Estelin · Dec 02, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

politely i disagree as you need the full statement from the GW site on this which states that it has to be exactly the account that qualifies during that time period

Good point, but 1) I guess Anet can still change their mind, if it's more benefit than harm; 2) the announcement from Anet you quote can actually be interpreted (though it's a bit far-fetched?) in a slightly different way, whether you apply the "only" word to "available" or "account" (first case is the interpretation you quote which limits the BMP to the promotion time frame, while the second one would simply say that during that time frame "only these accounts" would qualify).

I don't see this as a leap of the mind, but may be a bit far-fetched. But I don't care if they bend the rules (people don't mind in general if it's beneficial to a lot of people) to make the BMP available, as long as it's not free and possibly with some sort of limitation (no or limited access to weapons).

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Dec 02, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

This is a thread as the title suggests.

Anet give us the Mission Pack at no cost. No Bonus.

Which means, you can play the missions. But you cannot get the weapons.

Weapons remain exclusive to those who qualified for the promo. Just like with Pre-order weapons, which are also promos.

I disagree.

ArenaNet spent time developing this extra content and you expect them to give it away for free?

I believe there would not be another "Sorrow's Furnace" in Guild Wars.

One does not deserve access to any new content if one is not willing to fork out the moolah for it.

Fril Estelin · Dec 02, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

It took a lot of effort to make the BMP.

Indeed! And you will agree, I hope, that the result is really good. And that's why I feel not so good, owning the BMP, about a lot of people not being to experience this great moment of GW.

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We paid them by paying Prophecies and Nightfall.

And that's exactly what some did by buying GW:EN to get the BMP.

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Even the events are available only for those who own certain campaigns.

I don't want to delve too deeply into the semantics of it (more difficult as a non-native English speaker) but the specifics and timeliness of week-end/hoilday events is part of their nature. On the other hand, it is not part of the BMP's nature, but it was rather its (first?) release which was limited in time and money.

I've seen many people mentioning various reasons why the BMP is good (great historical moments of GW, play legends, exclusive uber skills, great scenarios, gold weapons, etc.). But overall I've got the impression that the only reason people mention for justifying the BMP not being "opened" (for a lack of a better word) is "It would hurt my feelings/pride" (no offense, I'm trying to capture what I read and I may have read some things wrong, apologies if it's the case!).

genofreek · Dec 03, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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I've seen many people mentioning various reasons why the BMP is good (great historical moments of GW, play legends, exclusive uber skills, great scenarios, gold weapons, etc.). But overall I've got the impression that the only reason people mention for justifying the BMP not being "opened" (for a lack of a better word) is "It would hurt my feelings/pride" (no offense, I'm trying to capture what I read and I may have read some things wrong, apologies if it's the case!).

I think you're partly right; some people have that opinion. Mine's basically that the mission pack was offered for months, people knew it was there, and now that the deadline's gone past they want an alternative. I really don't have any sympathy, because there are ways to get around the obstacle. I would be a little annoyed if something advertised as a limited-time bonus became available for everyone, but I wouldn't fight to keep others from it.

But if they reopen that, then people are going to start demanding re-issued Collector's Editions. Or festival hat packs. Or any of a number of things ANet's repeatedly told us we can't get if we don't already have. And honestly? I'd be among them.

Mineria · Dec 03, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

And no one did read Gaile Gray's reply on the link I posted: http://vnboards.ign.com/Message.aspx...rt=10513 8518

Quoting something from it here then.

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This is not a friendly petition. Denigrating a company for a marketing promotion, accusing them of failing to live up to their principles, and presenting a grasp for freebies in the guise of a "friendly petition" is nonsense. Pretending there are no option for purchase is disingenuous and untruthful.

We are not a charity. On a dollar-per-dollar basis, we give more to our players than any other company I can think of. But asking us to spend months in production on a project like the BMP and then give it away as some kind of good will gesture is unrealistic. Your picking selective anecdotes to back up a "the sky is falling" scenario, as if to imply--even state--that we must start giving handouts to retain a diminished community is morally and philosophically wrong. (It is also factually wrong, for the community is not diminished at all, as game concurrency proves.)

You state ArenaNet is adored by gamers, and suggest that this is because we offer fee-free gaming. You're right, that is a major factor. But we won't be able to offer fee-free gaming, or any sort of gaming at all, if we don't continue to sell games. We intend to sustain our games by doing what we can to encourage people to purchase our products, just as any other company does, from General Motors to Betty Crocker to Geico. Promotions, like the BMP promotion, are part of the effort to sell games. And "sell" here--while it has four letters--is not a nasty word!

There were many options to make the qualifying purchase. Some did not choose to make a purchase; that's perfectly ok. But this is a "I want to have my cake and eat it too" situation. For what this says is, "I don't support you, but I demand you support me in two ways: With normal game support through free servers, website content, contests, community relations, support and more, plus I want whatever else you do as a freebie, too." Marketing and sales are the lifeblood of our continued health. They pay for our ability to continue to support Guild Wars as well as to develop future products. Don't for a minute suggest there is something wrong in our presenting such a promotion. Don't for a minute suggest that someone's failure to acquire the pack is in some way our shortcoming, or a failure of our company to uphold some sort of heart-set company mission statement.

JeniM · Dec 03, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

"I want to have my cake and eat it too"
"I want to have my box and BMP too" and i agree the moaners want what they could of got before (if they spent a little more, supported Anet a little more and supported the enviroment alot more, who really uses everything in the box and the box anyway?)

You missed your chance
Deal with it

Fril Estelin · Dec 03, 2007, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by Mineria

And no one did read Gaile Gray's reply on the link I posted: http://vnboards.ign.com/Message.aspx...rt=10513 8518

Quoting something from it here then.

It's an important information, thanks for sharing it! Actually, the message you quote from Gaile wasn't so clear, I wondered whether she said that the reasons ("friendly") used by the petition are wrong, or that the BMP will stay where it is because of the huge amount of work it required (or both?). But her other message on this thread seems to suggest that it's both, so the BMP should stay as a promotional item.

thedeadlyassassin · Dec 03, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

Can we please get rid of this thread? Tough luck, I wanted to kick Hitler in the nuts, but I can't, and you don't see me complaining about it.

You get a case, we get bonus missions. Anet didn't just pop out randomly and said "okay you guys that preordered get this!" They told everyone that they can get it if they preordered the game, but you chose not to. Your fault.

And like I said before, it's NOT about the weapons, I could care less about them. I enjoyed the bonus pack, and for people like you to think it's all about the silly weapons, well... makes me sick.

You chose a worthless case, you fault. Why should you receive it because you made the wrong decision

pamelf · Dec 03, 2007, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Thanks for posting that Mineria. It put it perfectly. It was unfortunate for the people who couldn't source credit cards, however for the people who chose a box over the BMP, but from the beginning it was known that for many it would be a choice. I personally bought my GWEN box retail, and bought 2 character slots and the GOTY upgrade to qualify for the BMP. Extra character slots can always be used, and even if I don't use them immediately at least I didn't expect Anet to just hand me free content without me meeting the demands of their promotion.

I would not be averse to Anet running the promotion again now that there is more content to purchase from the online store (i.e. skill packs). Maybe they can think about doing that since they would still be getting online revenue, but quite simply, those that couldn't be bothered or chose not to fulfill the terms of the promotion in the alotted time frame have only themselves to blame, and have absolutely no rights to demand the content now.

Wakka · Dec 03, 2007, 12:46 PM // 12:46

/not signed

A complete waste of energy.

Saraphim · Dec 03, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Mineria

And no one did read Gaile Gray's reply on the link I posted: http://vnboards.ign.com/Message.aspx...rt=10513 8518

Quoting something from it here then.

I read it !!

Interesting read. Far more forceful that her replies on the wiki.

Marcson · Dec 03, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

The thing is that it's just not possible for people to choose between an extra (physical content) and an extra (BMP). It's a win-win-situation which you will always lose.

Lots of people's comments actually make perfect sence and some BMP owners that hang out here on the forums are getting a little towards the Gollum syndrome.

Shadow Spirit · Dec 03, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

/notsigned

To all positng in these various threads that you are loyal/Devoted/playing since beta, this promotion wasn't about that. It was about spending 29$ in the on-line store during the months the promotion was running-period.

To all posting that it wouldn't hurt Anet as a company to realease these missions for sale, I say, yes it would. Then all of us who believed them when they said that this was a LIMITED promotion would feel cheated and be less likely to participate in the next promotion that they offer.

To all posting that you are being prevented from accessing essential lore, you really aren't. These missions don't really reveal anything that we didn't already know from playing the games. It's more about HOW those things happened. Example- Master Togo ended the Tengu Wars. We already knew that from playing Factions. The BMP just lets us see how it happened.

To all of you who have legitimate reasons that you couldn't access the BMP, I'm sorry. I honestly hope things will work out better for you on the next promotion.

To all of you who are whining now that you regret that you CHOSE not to participate- think twice next time.

-SS

Darksun · Dec 03, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

They could just do the promotion again... seems like the most fair way.

Star Gazer · Dec 03, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Darksun

They could just do the promotion again... seems like the most fair way.

Not really. The fair way was 4-5 months ago when they started advertising it on the character selection screen. it wasnt small, it was freakin huge at the top of the screen. I am sorry, but if you cannot muster up $10 bucks a month (hell, maybe everyone month and half), you are not supporting anet, and you should miss out on this content. Its like the guy said about the sale going on at his grocery store regarding the cokes. You get 2 12 packs, you get a 2 liter. So I can march my happy ass in there 5 months later, state that I bought 2 12 packs, and demand a free coke? lol? honestly, you guys knew the rules. life will go on. i promise.

milan · Dec 03, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Darksun

They could just do the promotion again... seems like the most fair way.

Or not, they claimed limited time offer, they should stick to it unless they want to lose the trust of those that still have some in Anet.