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Valde Unus · Dec 01, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

/notsigned

Need I explain?

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

yup, but still they hack accounts using keyloggers

How do you think keyloggers get on your computer?

Biostem · Dec 01, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

The best solution that Anet could implement would be to add more max stat armor and weapon collectors throughout the various games. By providing other avenues to getting the armor set or weapon skin you want, they decrease the need for gold to buy them form the limited places you can already get them.

The other option, though this would be a bit extreme, would be t greatly increase the drop rate of shards & ectos, and expand the places where you can get them. This is a double-edged sword, however, as the whole point of obsidian armor is that of a status symbol...

Alex the Great · Dec 01, 2007, 05:02 AM // 05:02

worst idea EVER

IAL · Dec 04, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

/Signed

Before this i werent even aware that it was "illegal" to sell gold for GW, the reason for this being is that what Anet supplies for us is a product, which we have payed for, if the players in question farm gold to sell - aka sell their own time and then get banned for it... Well just another logical thing to do if ure IQ is lower then 70 and cant solve a problem.
The only way to cut out the bots is to sell themselves, using paypal, cards, sms etc

People who are dumb enough to shout out "inflation", well, were you even here when a 5/1 vamp string was OVER 100k - now u can get one for 1k, supply and demand WILL ALWAYS EXIST, the question is what consequence it should have.
The problem is not the players who want to play the game rather then grind, it's the unavalibility of customising your characters (and now their heroes) without spending hour upon hour grinding. This is a serious issue they need to have sorted for GW2.

From the start the gw community was mixed up and a great place to thribe, but as titles and other things made (what could have been rememberd as one of the greatest games series in all times) it "grind wars", the game has gone down hill, now they want to cut away an easy way to sort being a casual player in GW... Well people cant spend unlimited amounts on time in a virtual game, i know i wont grind for both titles and money, either way you choose you will loose a big part of the game.

Dont consider this a statement to support bott's or cheats in any way.

legion_rat · Dec 04, 2007, 12:48 AM // 00:48

I love how people say this is the worst idea ever or /fail but dont seem to be smart enough to give a valid reason why. Some have commented that who ever had the biggest bank account wins. isnt it that way now, as I have met people who spend $100 buck or more on gold here (or in WoW) As for my comment that someone responded to, as few hundred bots. Ok pop into certain towns and you see more bots than players. Arborstone I think is one, or what evers right after. I avoid that area like the plague now anyway. I saw prob 50 monks all running hitting the sign and leaving. in the 5 minutes or so i was there. Thats one town for 5 minutes. Droks can be the same way and usually is.

This crap causes server lag, its annoying seeing the people trying to buy accounts so they can run bots on them. And anets bitching cause theres bots. If anet out bids the bots then the bot system /fails. It is much like Wal*Mart vs small companies. The small groups can compete with the mega-corp.

Now for the message bout legalizing drugs, ok lets look at that one. Alcohol is legal. How many here drink? How many do not? If you do not want the gold then why does it matter? Its a simple idea. Those that wish to take a short cut are going to. No matter what. They will buy the gold anyway, from someone. Why not let it be Anet, who can in turn use the money to improve the current game and the next one as well. The more funding they have to work with the better chance they have or producing a game we will prefer over WoW.

And in closing, if you cant make a valid arguement other than insults or
/fail Please just stfu and dont bother posting. Thank you.

~the rat~

ensoriki · Dec 04, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

uh I dunno why not just uh...

Improve quests rewards so people who are playing the game are getting money better.

Mineria · Dec 04, 2007, 03:27 AM // 03:27

There are games that are completely free, and they got online shops.
But that doesn't stop the use of bots neither does it stop farmers, they just sell cheaper.

The only way to stop bots is by code changes in client/server.
The only way to stop farmers... shoot everyone who sells on ebay (I thought there where professional gold selling sites for it).

And since the suggestion is based upon "Ebay,Anet and the death to bots"
/notsigned

Mineria · Dec 04, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by IAL

/Signed

Before this i werent even aware that it was "illegal" to sell gold for GW, the reason for this being is that what Anet supplies for us is a product, which we have payed for, if the players in question farm gold to sell - aka sell their own time and then get banned for it... Well just another logical thing to do if ure IQ is lower then 70 and cant solve a problem.
The only way to cut out the bots is to sell themselves, using paypal, cards, sms etc

RTFM

I wasn't aware that it was illegal to kill a person, because I didn't read the law...

Or in other words, don't you ever read a contract/rules?

/FAIL

placebo overdose · Dec 04, 2007, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by legion_rat

and remember Big Brother is watching you.

1984 is so ftw but like animal farm too you can see that this never ends well

legion_rat · Dec 04, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by placebo overdose

1984 is so ftw but like animal farm too you can see that this never ends well

Thank you for being the only person to catch the 1984 reference.

Even if selling gold wont end botting it would put a crunch on it I think (hope). If they wouldnt just ban them for a while but perma ban them, with enough proof they are bots of course, and not be weak in their stance maybe we would see less botting. My idea was more about hurting the bots and making anet a bit of profit.

~the rat~

All animals are created equal, some are just more equal than others

holababe · Dec 04, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

/notsigned

Your argument in favor of selling money in the store is not based on whether it would be good for the game economy. Instead it's based on stopping bots.

Musei Karasu · Dec 04, 2007, 05:51 AM // 05:51

So far, everyone here has done nothing but insult the topic poster for his idea. He recognized a problem and presented a solution. Instead of attacking his solution, why not change it to fit what would help the community?

Before anyone says it, no, I don't like the idea of legalizing trade for $. I've played MMORPG games that allow it, and I have in fact profited from it, but it destroyed the game and eventually made the game a business not a game. Yes, legalizing cash trade would basically destroy the ingame economy, but at least he's made a start at trying to solve the problem. An earlier suggestion of just making everything buyable from a merchant wouldn't solve the problem either, but again, it's a start. Botting is an issue, so it'd be nice to solve it.

PS- Pigs rule.

pumpkin pie · Dec 04, 2007, 07:38 AM // 07:38

disable big chunk of gold transfers

Middle Man NPC who will serve as middle man and at the same time keeping a record of whats is being transfer between who - for big pile of Guild Wars Gold transfer?

anything that is extraordinarily big to transfer between 2 players you need a middle man NPC where you will deposits your gold and the seller deposits the item for sale and the deal is done thru the NPC

the NPC is there to record the sale/transfers and arena nets staff checks the log on the "middle man NPC" weekly or as they see fits for any weird activitis.

"big chunk" needs to be determine.

AuraofMana · Dec 04, 2007, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by legion_rat

I love how people say this is the worst idea ever or /fail but dont seem to be smart enough to give a valid reason why. Some have commented that who ever had the biggest bank account wins. isnt it that way now, as I have met people who spend $100 buck or more on gold here (or in WoW) As for my comment that someone responded to, as few hundred bots. Ok pop into certain towns and you see more bots than players. Arborstone I think is one, or what evers right after. I avoid that area like the plague now anyway. I saw prob 50 monks all running hitting the sign and leaving. in the 5 minutes or so i was there. Thats one town for 5 minutes. Droks can be the same way and usually is.

This crap causes server lag, its annoying seeing the people trying to buy accounts so they can run bots on them. And anets bitching cause theres bots. If anet out bids the bots then the bot system /fails. It is much like Wal*Mart vs small companies. The small groups can compete with the mega-corp.

Now for the message bout legalizing drugs, ok lets look at that one. Alcohol is legal. How many here drink? How many do not? If you do not want the gold then why does it matter? Its a simple idea. Those that wish to take a short cut are going to. No matter what. They will buy the gold anyway, from someone. Why not let it be Anet, who can in turn use the money to improve the current game and the next one as well. The more funding they have to work with the better chance they have or producing a game we will prefer over WoW.

And in closing, if you cant make a valid arguement other than insults or
/fail Please just stfu and dont bother posting. Thank you.

~the rat~

Let's not solve the problem by actually fixing it. Let's provide some other incentive so the problem might not exist.

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There are games that are completely free, and they got online shops.
But that doesn't stop the use of bots neither does it stop farmers, they just sell cheaper.

Lord Sojar · Dec 04, 2007, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

yes lets turn the game into who has the biggest credit card balance available.

/fail

LOL. If Gates played GWs... oh dear God.... @_@

SO /NOTSIGNED.

People with real world wealth should just be able to buy game gold to flaunt their cool skins, etc. Just let the economy continue to deflate, and then people won't need to bot. It is clear that botters are in pain, considering this thread just got me to go check some popular google matches. 100+ USD for 1000k? Pardon, that is a lot of money, even for those of us with money to spare. No thanks. Just go with the flow.

Mineria · Dec 04, 2007, 11:07 AM // 11:07

If Gates played GW he would bribe the monster not to drop gold to anyone else then him.

Lord Sojar · Dec 04, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Mineria

If Gates played GW he would bribe the monster not to drop gold to anyone else then him.

Either that, or buy the merchants souls, thus, everything we merch goes directly to a salvage factory, and then resold at the materials trader, at which Gates makes 85% royalties. @_@

Mineria · Dec 04, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Either that, or buy the merchants souls, thus, everything we merch goes directly to a salvage factory, and then resold at the materials trader, at which Gates makes 85% royalties. @_@

And another 85% from the weapon/armor crafter.
...why can't I be Gates -.-

Sli Ander · Dec 04, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Here's why: Let's pretend I'm a gold farmer guy selling at the price of 100 USD for 1000 gold(as someone mentioned above). Let's say that Anet starts selling the same amount of gold for the same price. There's more than one way to do it, but it all ends up with me selling cheaper. By the time they drop it low enough to kill my profit to the point of worthless effort(which is all dependent on how big my group of botters is, and how many computers I have), they'll have already done too much damage to the game to turn back.

Let's say they take the pretend botter out completely. Everyone has complete access to cheap gold with no effort. Now the only players you will have left are those that don't care about the money and those that buy it. Everyone that played the economy for fun has already left for something better.
All the lower money players will be okay as long as they stick to merchants and weaponsmiths. All the players that bought money will fail to have a concept of the worth of that money, which is why people are saying the whole "500k for x item" thing.

It'll be like giving a kid a new game and then showing him how to unlock God-mode. If you can just buy money to get some perfect weapon, rather than expending the effort to get a perfect green yourself or to simply play until you find one, than it takes the challenge from a large portion of the game. And even those who aren't into playing the economy or whatnot will probably be put off by the fact that because they aren't willing to spend RL cash, they can't get perfect weapons as easily.

As a new player, how would it make you feel to put effort into something when everyone around you is simply tossing money at the problems, and so have max armour and weapons(or PLing) at extremely early stages of the game(thereby making certain learning curves easier)?

I much prefer the approach Anet has been using simply because by the drop in item prices, it has proved to be rather effective.

But that's just my two cents

legion_rat · Dec 04, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Sli Ander

/notsigned

Here's why: Let's pretend I'm a gold farmer guy selling at the price of 100 USD for 1000 gold(as someone mentioned above). Let's say that Anet starts selling the same amount of gold for the same price. There's more than one way to do it, but it all ends up with me selling cheaper. By the time they drop it low enough to kill my profit to the point of worthless effort(which is all dependent on how big my group of botters is, and how many computers I have), they'll have already done too much damage to the game to turn back.

Let's say they take the pretend botter out completely. Everyone has complete access to cheap gold with no effort. Now the only players you will have left are those that don't care about the money and those that buy it. Everyone that played the economy for fun has already left for something better.
All the lower money players will be okay as long as they stick to merchants and weaponsmiths. All the players that bought money will fail to have a concept of the worth of that money, which is why people are saying the whole "500k for x item" thing.

It'll be like giving a kid a new game and then showing him how to unlock God-mode. If you can just buy money to get some perfect weapon, rather than expending the effort to get a perfect green yourself or to simply play until you find one, than it takes the challenge from a large portion of the game. And even those who aren't into playing the economy or whatnot will probably be put off by the fact that because they aren't willing to spend RL cash, they can't get perfect weapons as easily.

As a new player, how would it make you feel to put effort into something when everyone around you is simply tossing money at the problems, and so have max armour and weapons(or PLing) at extremely early stages of the game(thereby making certain learning curves easier)?

I much prefer the approach Anet has been using simply because by the drop in item prices, it has proved to be rather effective.

But that's just my two cents

I agree with you. I know that selling gold in the anet store would cause problems. But, Anet is not doing anything of any use to stop botting. If Gail would sit in one of the major bot ports for say 20 minutes she would see how bad it is. I know Gail has no power but shes my example cause I dont know any of the other anet employees. Set a Anet moderator in the towns off and on and ban the piss out of bots not for a few days, Forever. Thats what I want to see but Anet seems to afraid to do so. Perhaps it will hurt their market if 25% of the gamers (BOTS) are banned. Or perhaps they dont actually care since they dont play.

And as far as people buying perfect weapons/armor etc. they already do that.
Nothing changes, people still take the short way out, pay for power leveling if they can, buy the best goods and make the real players bitch about the lazy ones.

My solution while not perfect at least its a solution.

~the rat~