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jezz · Dec 06, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

i actually would like to see them in Guild Hall as an option like all other NPC..plus relocate them in LA so yes
/signed

MithranArkanere · Dec 06, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

I say let them be until Wintersday, them when towns get decorated, move them somewhere else, and leave them there when the towns are brought back:

I think the best place in Lion's Arch would be in the Compass Rose in the middle of the Town, where the almost completely unused Crafters are.

bilateralrope · Dec 06, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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they are fine right where they are. who is to say when and if they are moved, you'll like that spot? I like the fountain crowded,

Well, the appearance of the fountain area is subjective, so this is a point we will just disagree on.

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like it should be.

However, I'm going to ask you to justify why you think they should be there instead of somewhere else. Especially since they cause one of the patroling NPC's to get stuck:

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This is acutally a QQ thread in disguise.

Actually I do have the BMP myself. But why should my motives be relevant to decide if this is a good idea or not ?

Especially since both of you do nothing to address my other point, which was that the NPC's in their current locations are going to piss off a lot of people who don't own the BMP.

lyra_song · Dec 06, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

/signed immensely

This has been my complaint from the beginning as well.

The NPCs are occupying prime real estate and EVERYONE sees them. Players who dont know what the BMP is, or dont have it are basically being teased by them showing the weapons.

That really sucks.

Not to mention NPCs in LA get stuck and it just looks dumb.

gone · Dec 06, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

justify? lol. I like them there. justification e'nuff?
as far as npcs getting stuck, are they late for dinner?...what does it matter? is the world perfect? if there truly was no clipping, they wouldn't hang.

Shadow Spirit · Dec 06, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Players who dont know what the BMP is, or dont have it are basically being teased by them showing the weapons.

If that's the problem, they should just change it so that people w/o access to the BMP can't see what the NPCs are offering...

Don't really know why they can in the first place.

Turtle222 · Dec 06, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

/notsigned

i personally find their placement to be practical, as i have direct access to merchants, guild reg. xunlai and crafters etc.

however, i wouldnt mind it if they are moved to the crafters area.

Nyktos · Dec 06, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

/signed for move to crafter area in LA. They're fine in Kamadan and KC though.

gone · Dec 06, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I'd rather have my heros not hang on npcs at shrines, or give them the same reaction time to AoE that monsters have. but...this will get fixed first...lol

KamikazeChicken · Dec 06, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Meemo, they cause TWO NPCs to stick. I'd rather they move the NPCs over next to where you spawn after you complete a mission. Magi Malaquire needs more company anyway.

bilateralrope · Dec 06, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by flubber

justify? lol. I like them there. justification e'nuff?
as far as npcs getting stuck, are they late for dinner?...what does it matter? is the world perfect? if there truly was no clipping, they wouldn't hang.

There is you liking them there, that doesn't need justifying.

Then there is you saying that they should be there, which does need justifying. And the stuck NPC's are a counterpoint to you saying that they should be there, because it shows that their current location causes a minor bug.

Yes the bug can be easily fixed by simply deleting the effected patrol, or by moving the collector NPC a few meters, but its still a bug caused by their current location.

So do you have any reason you want them to stay other than the fact you like them there ?

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Originally Posted by Shadow Spirit

If that's the problem, they should just change it so that people w/o access to the BMP can't see what the NPCs are offering...

Depending on how the collectors are coded this might not be easily done. However the NF missions show that ANET can create an NPC who can move anyone who meets a condition into another map, while leaving the other players behind. So I was thinking about pulling up one of the closed outposts, moving the BMP NPC's there, then creating an NPC in each port town that moves the BMP people there while leaving other people behind.

While moving the NPC's to the crafter area of LA would satisfy me, it doesn't do anything about the collectors taunting people with weapons that they can't get.

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I'd rather have my heros not hang on npcs at shrines, or give them the same reaction time to AoE that monsters have. but...this will get fixed first...lol

Even though the other things you mention also rank higher for me, I don't see them happening first because this change is probably a much eaiser one for ANET to implement.

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i personally find their placement to be practical, as i have direct access to merchants, guild reg. xunlai and crafters etc.

Merchants and crafters aren't much use if your using the BMP, since there is nothing worth crafting. Xunlai is of some use if you want to store the books, but that can be done every few trips.

As for the guild embalmer, how often do you actually visit him ?

freekedoutfish · Dec 06, 2007, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

I feel that the Bonus Mission Pack NPC's should be moved from their current locations and put somewhere else. I'd like to see them moved because:

- Personally I liked the LA fountain having a bit of clear space around it, with some people just passing by. Now the fountain is crowded both by the NPC's, and by the players talking to them.

- People with the BMP will follow the NPC's to wherever they get moved to, providing its an easily accessible area. But since it currently looks like everyone else won't get access there* meaning that the NPC's are basically standing there taunting them about a feature they can't use.

*Please discuss your thoughts on if this should be changed in another thread.

As for where the NPC's could be moved to, I'm not really sure. I was thinking of asking the old RA outpost (from memory it was closed about a month before the factions release) attached to LA and sticking the NPC's there, but that would only make sense for the LA NPC's. Though with some tweaks the old TA outpost attached to droks might be made to look like it belongs in the mountains of Shing Jea island.

You can appreciate why their in the capitcal city, but I have to agree I dont love their location. Perhaps putting them in a corner somewhere, standing in a circle.

It feels a bit rushed puttng them by the fountain IMO.

Eragon of Aleria · Dec 07, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

I feel that the Bonus Mission Pack NPC's should be moved from their current locations and put somewhere else. I'd like to see them moved because:

- Personally I liked the LA fountain having a bit of clear space around it, with some people just passing by. Now the fountain is crowded both by the NPC's, and by the players talking to them.

- People with the BMP will follow the NPC's to wherever they get moved to, providing its an easily accessible area. But since it currently looks like everyone else won't get access there* meaning that the NPC's are basically standing there taunting them about a feature they can't use.

*Please discuss your thoughts on if this should be changed in another thread.

As for where the NPC's could be moved to, I'm not really sure. I was thinking of asking the old RA outpost (from memory it was closed about a month before the factions release) attached to LA and sticking the NPC's there, but that would only make sense for the LA NPC's. Though with some tweaks the old TA outpost attached to droks might be made to look like it belongs in the mountains of Shing Jea island.

The entire reason for the BMP was to raise revenue, and thus reward players for spending money on Guild Wars add-ons. It was advertised for a while, so I don't see it as a taunt.

bilateralrope · Dec 07, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Eragon of Aleria

The entire reason for the BMP was to raise revenue, and thus reward players for spending money on Guild Wars add-ons. It was advertised for a while, so I don't see it as a taunt.

It wasn't a taunt then. But it is a taunt now for the simple fact that they can't get the BMP now.

A11Eur0 · Dec 07, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

/signed because they're just plopped there in the most prominent place they could be in LA...likely to keep down the spam "how do I access the BMP"(which happens anyway). They can move them out of the way now that most people with the BMP know what to look for. It may cause a "WTF where are the BMP NPC's?" for a bit but once they find them again it'll be all good.

My biggest grief with their current location is for sake of gatherings, videos, etc.

Hey, maybe this'll make people go use the stage in Henge of Denravi a little more for their events. It's such a perfect spot for stuff like that and it's never used.

Yosh · Dec 07, 2007, 05:30 AM // 05:30

This is one of those things that should have been done in the first place. Very unimportant yet....

/signed

p.s. I always do get a laugh though seeing an Order of Whispers member in the middle of LA.

gone · Dec 07, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

So do you have any reason you want them to stay other than the fact you like them there ?

/dancingshoes
I answered that. other than a clipping issue, what is the dire need to move them? is the fountain to cluttered for your liking? does it impede your game progress that much?
/enddancingshoes

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Merchants and crafters aren't much use if your using the BMP, since there is nothing worth crafting.

says you.

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As for the guild embalmer, how often do you actually visit him ?

every time I change my guild emblem.

-if rats and blobs can float around clip free so can patrols.

-I'd rather have a teleport feature installed...you know, when logging in, being able to pick which town you warp to after you select your character...not just log into the last town you were in.

bilateralrope · Dec 07, 2007, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by flubber

/dancingshoes
I answered that. other than a clipping issue, what is the dire need to move them? is the fountain to cluttered for your liking? does it impede your game progress that much?
/enddancingshoes

So its only because you like them there. Ok.

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says you.

If there is a use for having them close, could you please tell us what it is ?

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every time I change my guild emblem.

And how often is this ?

gone · Dec 07, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

So its only because you like them there. Ok.

/dancingshoes
So it's only a clipping issue, and you don't like them there. right?

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If there is a use for having them close, could you please tell us what it is ?

well. merchants sell merchandise. Crafter's craft. they've been there for quite awhile and here is a secret...they pmed me in-game, and told me they like where they are just fine...

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And how often is this ?

at the stroke of midnight, every full moon, while eating a moon pie, I toot my Kazoo 4 times, then, I change my emblem. but ONLY if I farmed 2k from the imps (outside L.A.) that I use the merchant/crafter to get rid of the junk.

-I'd rather have the fact that a scripted melee classes can land blows(even if you are under a speed buff) a 1/4+ aggro bubble away be fixed first. but we know. this will be fixed first.
/endancingshoes

R.Shayne · Dec 07, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

/signed

Opposite crafters sounds good.