Curse

Alex Morningstar · Dec 11, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biostem

The 1st amendment is NOT implied or protected at all, and it's why there can be a chat filter and why people can be banned for improper language.

To me, the issue is not one of religion, but one of conduct. If a religious guild, for example, can do their recruiting politely and respectfully, then there's no issue. If they proclaim that members of other guilds are heathens or you'll go to hell for not joining their guild, then I'd say action is needed.

Your last statement is spot-on, however - most of the stuff in local/broadcast chat is garbage, and I just write it off as such...

It is, think about it. YOU have the ability to turn the chat filter on and off. Other games have a filter that you cannot turn off at all. Very rarely does anyone get banned for the crap that comes out of their digitial mouths, even after the /report feature was added. There are no moderators sitting in districts watching what people say.

You could get reported, but likely will not. Religion itself as a topic is not covered by the EULA, just behavior. The problem isn't religion, it's people spamming, people being rude, people trolling.

The first amendment does not cover what case law deems as 'fighting' words, which is interestingly a lot of how the EULA works. If what comes out of your text offends someone, you can be banned. You can turn the filter off instead of it being permanently in place.

It's not quoted or protected at all, but if you look at the EULA, it's not specificially ignored either. It isn't like there is a section going "This is a list of stuff you cannot talk about".

MywayFtw · Dec 11, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Figured I should post in here.

I am against spamming. Spamming X Guild recruiting, whether its about religion, science or whatever is bad. You only make yourself and your guild look bad.

However, there is nothing wrong with a religious guild. Its up to individuals what sort of guild they want to make. If it wasn't, I doubt many people would play this game. Freedom of belief is essential, to some extent.

My guild is multi-cultural. From guild chat and forums, I can see that we have Atheists, Theists etc, and it causes NO problem whatsoever. The thing about religion, or lack of it, is that it makes most people peaceful. People are happy to be able to have their own views and opinions. Our guild does not discriminate in any way, and when we are clearing FoW/UW...we dont suddenly have a religious debate. Heck, we dont have religious debates at any time - whats the point?

Everyone gets along fine, regardless of whatever religion they support. Religion is NOT an issue in a video game, unless you want to make it an issue, in which case, GTFO.

Oh, and I'm an atheist...so dont dare to call me biased /endsarcasm

If religion is an issue to you, dont mention it. If you dont like your guild's opinions or beliefs, then leave. But learn to respect other religions and beliefs, for what they are, and you can expect the same in return.

elektra_lucia · Dec 11, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

No you can't expect the same in return though. They do not respect others or they wouldn't keep pushing their views upon one.

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Anyways, I think they're a bad idea simply because they're a sin and they won't gain any reward in heaven.

freekedoutfish · Dec 11, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

I have two views on this...

My anti religion view

I personally dislike organised religion and preaching and all that jazz. Whether it be devout christians, jews, muslims, catholics or protistants. I personally would get annoyed at seeing someone advertising a religious guild because I would be suspicious about trying to convert those members.

I dont see a need for going to church or reading a bible, when god is part of us all and we shouldnt have to take part in meetings and stuff to "prove" our faith and dedication.

My open minded view

Despite what I wrote at first, I am also extremely open minded and there is nothing wrong with having a strong faith in your religion. If that means you want to create a christian, jewish or muslim guild then fine.

I and no one else have any reason to stop you or complain if you are hurting no one.

You could only complain if you had evidence that members were using that guild to convert young people who are easily influenced or insight inghatred towards other nationalities, religions or ways of life.

For example if a christian guild didnt accept you because you were gay. Then you could complain about prejudice.

Final point

Are these new religious guilds trying to upset anyone? hurt anyone? insight hatred or convert? The chances are very slim and I dout they mean anyone any harm.

There are going to be members of the GWs community who are anti-christian or anti-muslim or anti-catholic and will have negative views towards such guilds being created.

But is that the fault of the guild or the individuals prejudice and arrogance?

Its more likely the fault of the individual and their lack of understanding surrounding the religion or culture. Should we ban the creation of religious guilds purely because a number of people in GWs are prejudice or anti-religion?

ofcourse not!

Aside from anything else, Anet could get sewed for alot of money if they banned someone from creating or naming a guild purely because it has religious over-tones.

Concider this

Would you complain if someone started posting "Hetrosexual guild looking purely for straight members" or "Homersexual guild looking to recruite purely gay and lesbian players."? Its exactly the same principle and they have the right to do that even though its treading a very thin line!

You might be gay and find it reasuring to join a gay guild online, with people you can talk to and open up to. Is that a bad thing? The same applies to christians, muslims, african americans, jews! Any demonination you can think of!

You can say and do what you like aslong as it abides by the law and you dont hurt anyone!

lyra_song · Dec 11, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Would you complain if someone started posting "Hetrosexual guild looking purely for straight members" or "Homersexual guild looking to recruite purely gay and lesbian players."? Its exactly the same principle and they have the right to do that even though its treading a very thin line!

You might be gay and find it reasuring to join a gay guild online, with people you can talk to and open up to. Is that a bad thing? The same applies to christians, muslims, african americans, jews! Any demonination you can think of!

I can even simplify it further.

"PVP Guild Looking for PVP players"

Lets ban all guilds who wont let PvErs join.
Lets ban guilds that promote PvP and the deep and meaningful concepts of PvP.

Silly Warrior · Dec 11, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

I really dislike this thread.

Please, I'm not entirely sure what the forums rules on religion are, but I feel until I know that I should close this.

Until then, I'm feeling a bad vibe from this thread.

Closed.