Curse

Gregslot · Dec 19, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Hello everyone,
I never wanted to post someting like this because it could fall in the vast list of "complaint" thread but ill try to be very clear on my arguments.
Most of you are not aware or do not care since most of the players are PvE players, but it was looking at the possible titles i could add at the HoM and most of them looked pretty easy since one, two or even three are linked to another (like vanquishing, exploring and treasure hunter). But when i looked at the PvP titles, they all seemed to follow the same logic when considering time/title progress (rank3 glad, rank3 commander), all except one: Hero.

First of all, lets compare the PvP titles and their requirements to place a statue at the HoM.
Commander: Rank 3 (500 victory points)
Gladiator: Rank 3 (400 Gladiator points)
Champion: Rank 3 (100 Victories)
Hero: Rank 8 (2,800 fame)

Ok, some of you may noticed that there is a vast difference between their requirements.

Just for the note, a HA match can take as long as a GvG match (15-30 min) and usually lasts as HB match (10 min), and you depend on 7 other people to win. Not to mention the time you take organizing a group or getting into one.

Now my main argument, taken from the recent article from ArenaNet's founders.
"Ben Miller: In Eye of the North, the Hall of Monuments is meant to immortalize all the GW1 players’ accomplishments. Things that have taken them hundreds of hours to do. We do not want them to lose all that when we release Guild Wars 2."

So if a player that reached rank5 (600 fam) or rank6 (1000 fame) or rank 7 (1680) will have to lose their title when GW2 comes out? Just remember the note i pointed.
And one cannot expect a player to double or triple their fame points like that. Getting to rank 3 takes some time, maybe more then getting to Rank 3 gladiator or commander. Getting to rank 5 or 6 already takes much time, because the difference between rank 4-5 to rank 6 is already more then any rank 3 of these titles require. Now getting to rank 7 or 8 is already out of reach.

What if i got to rank 6, will i have to call all these hours a waste?

So please, put the requirements of this title at the same league as the other pvp titles.

Thank you.

Thom Bangalter · Dec 19, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

getting to rank 8 isnt hard at all unless you're bad.

HawkofStorms · Dec 19, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

getting to rank 8 isnt hard at all unless you're bad.

Good flame.

Anyway, /signed
I mean, rank 7 hero is worth a LOT more then max SS title, and that gets into HoM.

Snow Bunny · Dec 19, 2007, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Good flame.

Anyway, /signed
I mean, rank 7 hero is worth a LOT more then max SS title, and that gets into HoM.

If you're a PvPer it's not as much of a time commitment.

I personally think it should be rank9, just because of the tiger.

/signed for Rank 9

HawkofStorms · Dec 19, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

If you're a PvPer it's not as much of a time commitment.

I personally think it should be rank9, just because of the tiger.

/signed for Rank 9

And if your a "real PvPer" you won't even be playing PvE enough to unlock the HoM in the first place.

arbiter · Dec 20, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

If you're a PvPer it's not as much of a time commitment.

I personally think it should be rank9, just because of the tiger.

/signed for Rank 9

yeah, plus Hero title has been around for what, another year+ longer than commander or gladiator. most people who HA are at least rank 8 or close by now. and I agree, they should make it rank 9 because of the tiger. Seems pretty logical

Ben-A-BoO · Dec 20, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

/signed for rank 9
not that i have it (yet) ... but it is a tribute to all those tiger lovers out there.
Nothing wrong with having 'hard to get' titles as well ...

maraxusofk · Dec 20, 2007, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

Just for the note, a HA match can take as long as a GvG match (15-30 min) and usually lasts as HB match (10 min), and you depend on 7 other people to win. Not to mention the time you take organizing a group or getting into one.

really? ha matches take 15-30 mins? is ur team really that bad or are u running 3x monk, 2 DA para, 1 ward + 1 water ele builds? even those builds usu win in 5 mins if good. i havent seen consistent 10min+ matches since scarred earth matches of old or signet spike builds.

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

Getting to rank 3 takes some time

really? its hard to get 180 fame? u do know thats only 2 full runs right?

/signed for r9+ hopefully r10 even.

r8 is a friggin joke. im working on other account r9 and im already at 500 fame in 4 days. if u cant hit r8, ur bad.

Snow Bunny · Dec 20, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

And if your a "real PvPer" you won't even be playing PvE enough to unlock the HoM in the first place.

O rly?

go tell that to lots of people in top ten guilds running around with chaos gloves, glasses, and bandanas

edit: too much profanity in mein post

HawkofStorms · Dec 20, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Notice all the pvp "Elitism"? That is why the PVP monuments are like that.. PVPers have always been elitiest and those statues are meant to take a long to keep people interested in pvp... cause pvp sucks and very few people enjoy it

Yeah... unfortunately I'm going to have to agree judging from the responses I've been getting in this thread. Cursing me out Bunny, a former alliance mate... what the hell?

I'll ask again. Why the heck should R8 be required for the HoM, when you can put Protector of X/Legendary Sunspear into the HoM, which takes a fraction of the time and requires much less skill.

Lady Raenef · Dec 20, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

I think rank 3 sounds reasonable. I don't even have rank 3 Hero, but I have rank 3 Gladiator.

Just so you know, I've been RAing for months, and I HAed for two days and got to rank 2. I don't HA.

Snow Bunny · Dec 20, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Yeah... unfortunately I'm going to have to agree judging from the responses I've been getting in this thread. Cursing me out Bunny, a former alliance mate... what the hell?

I'll ask again. Why the heck should R8 be required for the HoM, when you can put Protector of X/Legendary Sunspear into the HoM, which takes a fraction of the time and requires much less skill.

a. i apologize for the use of profanity.

b. I only joined the guild recently

c. PvPers do a lot of both PvP/PvE

d. It should still be R9. R3 isn't an achievement, nor is R6 at this point. I suppose I would /sign for r2 or r1 champ, as some people still struggle with that, but whatever.

Quote:

I have rank 3 Gladiator.

Just so you know, I've been RAing for months

Lol.

Gregslot · Dec 20, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Good to know people like to flame every time they have a chance and like to waste a chance of developing something, even when the other side made a point and have a valid argument.

Anyways, getting rank 8 it IS hard, you may be placed at a guidl that does HA all the time and focus on it, so you will allways have some people to to play it... oh yea, and you obviously play the whole damn day.
But the rest of the player community have to find a group, or build a grou and organize it. Wich takes time... and like i said, depends on 7 other people.
The time i mentioned of creating/joining a group depends on 7 other people wich most of the time you dont know... and a FEW players dont have that problem because they already have a group to count on.
This thing of having a group to count on usually happens only with GvG (because you need a pre-defined group of people to count on) and the title related to GvG requires a few points compared to the HA title.

And some of you didint quiet get where im tying to say here... compared to the pvp titles, this one, in particular, takes much more time to add to the HoM compared to the others.

maraxusofk · Dec 21, 2007, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

and the title related to GvG requires a few points compared to the HA title.

im sure champion title is easy to get b/c u do get one point everytime u win a gvg right? u should probably wiki the title and see that both guilds need to be 1200+ to win, which means alot of gvgs to get up to that point. 100 champ pts is easy to get?

a winnar is u

Yawgmoth · Dec 21, 2007, 04:46 AM // 04:46

They should rather add recognition for more higher ranks in HoM and corresponding better rewards in GW2. There are people who don't PvE at all, who won't get 30 max'ed PvE titles, and all they get is simply a mention about them hitting a certain LOW rank in a pvp title. The ranks required for a monument are LOW and there's nothing more for higher titles. PvP achievements should gain much more than they get there now - just mere statues, maybe not even worth more than "conqueror of Fissure of Woe" or something like that - less than a max title.
HoM needs a lot of work...

杀TanK杀 · Dec 21, 2007, 06:33 AM // 06:33

So everyone with a high hero title will ask for a higher req so only they get the benefit ay??

I reckon you shud b able to put any pvp title in that you have achieved a rank in so that the time spent it worth it.. BUT, the higher the title the more of a bonus you get, so those that base their gameplay are awarded more than those that casually do it, but those that casually play it are not going to be wasting there time.

/catchbreath

Rachel Crow · Dec 21, 2007, 06:33 AM // 06:33

/notsigned it's a video game, if you choose to go down one route (pvp HoH) then that's your choice. If all you do is HoHs then getting a high rank in it shouldn't be that hard and maybe you can move on and try other aspects of the game.

If it's too hard for you to get into a group, maybe you should stop spaming people then turning on ignore all mode, or just join a guild.

Div · Dec 21, 2007, 07:55 AM // 07:55

Champ 3 is by far harder than Rank 8 to get for the casual PvE/PvP'er. And it's faster to get rank 8 than something like legendary vanquisher.

Prof Of Black · Dec 21, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

O rly?

go tell that to lots of people in top ten guilds running around with chaos gloves, glasses, and bandanas

reward points gg.

~Prof.

Phoenix Tears · Dec 21, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17

only higher ranks for HoM..when Naet gives us more different ways in pvp/pve to gain points for the titles and not only at 1 certain point....or reduces some requirements...

like that for gladiator should count each win in a PvP match for 1 Point,,there should gewt removed then this senseless 5 win row requirement for 1 point...but also then the raising of points....each win gives then 1 point..regardless of how long your win streak is...
When they change this..then they can change imo also the HoM requirement and let the glad title only be shown..when the title got maxed before
and as said..u get then ever 1 point for a win in any pvp match...

so the player gets 1 point for wins in RA/TA/HA/GvG/AB or any event related pvp battles like Snowball ....
whenever..whereever you win a pvp battle = +1 point ..so simple
so should be the GLADIATOR Title be meant...the Gladiator is the most fitting title for a PvP playing character...thus..this title should count for everything..that has to do with PvP..and not only certain things of pvp as it is in the moment...where only RA and TA count for it >.<

The Req for max can also be then raised from say 40k to 50k.
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Fame...there should be then more ways of obtaining Fame..also ways which have not only to do with PvP...to ged rid of the rank emote discrimination...
By completing a campaign in PvE..a player should receive fame ...the character who same the world at least became a HERO...that..what the title is named .... and for me the name of that title is for PvP absolutely a fail ... because being a hero has nothing to do with PvP and to battle for a hall...only because this hal is was named Hall of Heroes...
Also there should exist for PvE special non repeatable "Hero Quests" ...which should give as reward for completion fame points...
So can reach a PvE player..even when having no time to play so hardcore pvp beside too also some fame ..to gain some first low ranks..so that finding later groups is easier for them...because when you start now as r0 ...you can nearly forget finding a group..unless you find people..which are also r0 like you ... but with such PUG's you simple stand no chance long in HA and you maybe make only with lots of luck some points...
would be easier..if players could also use heroes for the HA... why not give players for HA the ability to play with 7 heroes ...

Plan B about this idea would be ... let Hero Battles give fame for wins
this way players receive a way to gain fame points solo...without having the need to find 7 other peoples to farm a party ...theres just you and your 3 hero npc's ...it would also fit to the would concept about the title itself...
Hero Title for Hero Battles >.> what can fit more..than this please >.<
Also this would solve totally the problem about rank discrimination ...

Alliance battles for Luxon/kurzick...
The required amounts need really to be reduced ...10 million points per faction are insane...this means that you have to donate 10000x 5000 faction per faction.

Champion..reduce the amount for GvG's to a humanous amount of say 1000 Gvs and then this title can be max for HoM... takes long anough to win 1000 high rated gvg battles ...
atm to show it to hom..you need 100 wins ..with this change you would need 10x more effort to show it..but with 10x reduced max requirement from before to a humanous amount to a humanous time/effort relation