Curse

AnnaCloud9 · Oct 24, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16

This type of weekend wouldn't warrant more people for you to 'play' and 'PUG' with at all. It would simply leave you standing right where you left off prior to weekend, but without all those people with 4s and 8s above their heads - for they'd be doing something other than Guild Wars, or joining their alliances/guildmates for groups.

I admire the idea, and have nothing against new players or those wanting to join groups over using henchmen or heroes...but you wouldn't get the desired result any faster, or better, this way.

Rather than forcing (and yes, even a weekend would be forcing) everyone to have to join human groups, I would suggest starting a thread to rally all those who feel the same way you do, and share the same thoughts about grouping over henchmen/heroes, and set up times to play together. That seems more productive over a crapshoot as to who is and isn't going to stick around for a no hench/no hero weekend.

BlackSephir · Oct 24, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

/notsigned /omgfail /lolololol

I hate you, why should I be forced to PUG with you?

pamelf · Oct 24, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Wow, I would not be able to play that weekend with my timezones. No one is ever on when I am.

Seriously, terrible idea.

angryKid · Oct 24, 2007, 08:30 AM // 08:30

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

There's a difference between being inexperienced and looking for help and incompetent and stubborn. Guess what the majority is?

So you decided to dump BOTH groups. I once heard that I'm a sucky dammo from some 'very experienced' player, she didn't even bother to ask to see my skills. I had Rebirth equipped.

EDIT: To be clear - /not signed, as a weekend like that would empty the servers and do nothing constructive. I just think some of you should think again about PuGs and H/H. Because we got noobs on one side, but we also got elitist jerks on the other.

XiaoTheBlade · Oct 24, 2007, 08:43 AM // 08:43

Right, with my paragon in tyria, I could do the missions with just myself and a few heroes. Which is what I did. Me, Tahlkora, Olias, Jora. And I would always leave the other two places open and ask lower level people if they wanted to come. D'alessio seaboard for example, I took a level 13 assassin and a level 9 warrior, worked out fine as we could cope with it all. This is all fine until you reach the harder missions where the average PUG just /fail.

/not signed

keistje · Oct 24, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

/notsigned

Not everyone has the same playing habits or schedules, and forcing people to PUG everything is pretty much excluding anyone different from the game. I work night shift, which means on my nights off I'm playing at 3am, and on my workdays I'm logging in at about 8am. Good luck getting enough people in a district to even *form* a group, much less one with the right requirements to get the mission/quest done.

As far as the quality of PUGs going down, I can't really tell, as I rarely pug, and before heros I used henchies. But I do know that I'm not interested in playing with the general community. I once spent a few weeks on my necro in Factions helping people with a difficult quest, for no charge, just because I thought it was fun. 95% of the people I helped did one of the following:

1) Didn't even bother to thank me for my help, just mapped out or left the group

2) Ran the opposite direction of the rest of the party, forcing me to request that they let me lead, and still not being willing to.

3) Rushed in with their lvl15 sins and then yelled at me when they kept dying. I was MM'ing, not healing, and it is not my job to make sure they stayed alive. I would have been perfectly fine with them staying out of the fight entirely, but of course they wouldn't listen when I asked them to. Fine, fight, but don't yell at me when you die, and don't expect me to expend my energy to raise you. I'm busy exploiting your corpse.

Those few who didn't fall into one of those groups went on my friends list. Until they started whispering me every other day requesting that I help them with other missions, give them gold, farm them weapons, bring them into my guild, etc. One person requested I help them with a mission I had done myself multiple times, then went afk halfway through and told me I could go ahead and finish it, don't worry about them. ... As if it was me who needed it.

At this point, there is only one person of the many that I met during that time who is still on my friends list. *That* is why I prefer to run with hero/henchies, sometimes even over guildies. At least the H+H don't whine.

So why don't I play a single-player game? Because I have RL friends who play GW, and it's an excellent way for us to be social. Just because I'm not willing to play with PUGs doesn't mean I'm anti-social. It just means I don't feel like talking to strangers.

angryKid · Oct 24, 2007, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by keistje

So why don't I play a single-player game? Because I have RL friends who play GW, and it's an excellent way for us to be social. Just because I'm not willing to play with PUGs doesn't mean I'm anti-social. It just means I don't feel like talking to strangers.

That's actually the first good point about playing GW with mostly H/H.

But weird times of being online? Wait, what? I get the feeling that some people only play MMOs to show-off titles, weapons, elite armors and w/e there is to show-off and that is the only aspect of the game they need other people for. Yay, admire me, I'm so leet I won't play with you. And don't get me wrong, I don't want to be forced to do everything with a human group. Excuse me all WoW-haters, but I think system implemented in that game works well and might be a good solution for GW2. You can solo most of the quests but you need real people to do dungeons. And excuse me once more, but overall level of WoW players' skill is much higher than in GW. Why? Because if you can't play you won't get to play at some level. In GW you can get heroes and henchies, get ran through tons of missions and areas, in the end you I meet rangers at Raisu Palace that claim they can heal. Why? Well, Dunkoro didn't mind before.

Etta · Oct 24, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

take them out of PVE to promote GROUPING and PUGGGING .....bok bok....mumbo jumbo nonsense

I do play with real people thank you very much but only if they have the same tag as me, same color tag is ok as well. Promote grouping and pugging, what a joke? Forcing people at gun point is more like.

Yanman.be · Oct 24, 2007, 09:34 AM // 09:34

/signed because it'll show them pve'ers how stupid hero's really are, especially in a pvp format.

Alka · Oct 24, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

/signed
i like idea, lets ee how it will be going....
ussualy i do h/h when i want job done but when i want fun i play real ppl groups, pugs, guild group, alliance group
btw my monk have ench spear

bungusmaximus · Oct 24, 2007, 09:39 AM // 09:39

omg, so instead of burning through Gates of Madness with two deaths I am going to be forced to do it 5 times before I get through?

Me: can you please bring Wild Blow?
Other player: Blow me!
Me: If you can do that wildly I might not boot you

MEH not signed

BlackSephir · Oct 24, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Hey sonya, people who are already H/H'ing would rather try to find a way t play solo than try PUGging which mosty fail.
Not 'popular' enugh to go with your own guild? Can't do a mission with h/h? Boo-freakin-hoo.
This thread and idea fails as much as typical PUG

A11Eur0 · Oct 24, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

I've had more good pugs than bad lately...maybe people have started learning but everyone who has written them off have had their blinders on too long to see that.

Just orchestrate your group...kick those with crappy builds.

Me...I'd be happy. If I started getting crappy pugs in a row, I'll just go solo farm, or guild run UW or FoW.

Sparks Dawnbringer · Oct 24, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Maybe we should have a no player weekend only heros and henchies.

pumpkin pie · Oct 24, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

/signed because it'll show them pve'ers how stupid hero's really are, especially in a pvp format.

heroes are only stupid when you don't know how too control them.

Earth · Oct 24, 2007, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

You know what I find funny here? People who started out with Prophecies who used to group all the time and are now experienced with the game call anyone who is not experienced; incomptetent, ignorant, stupid, moronic and the general other titles people give when they place themselves above others. When they themselves were these very things they are calling others now. Pugs are not bad "on purpose" they are bad because anti social people don't help others once they have obtained a status quo, but, they certainly want help while they are climbing to that status quo. I've seen it in pve-ers and I've seen it in pvp-ers. Once they reach that status quo of experience and vetertan status they belittle everyone else under them and act like they are scum of the earth to play with.

I love to help out new players. I hang around in Q&A half the time answering questions.

But, I still hate pugs, because every single time I decide to pug, I end up with stupid, immature, ignorant 12 year old kids who think they're the best with their awesome tanking skills (AKA agroing everything on the radar and then blaming the monk for their death).

I've had one good pug in the 1 and a half years I've been playing. If I get forced to pug I won't touch GW that weekend, thank you very much.

IslandHermet · Oct 24, 2007, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by legion_rat

/notsigned

Everyone against seems to have the same reason as me. Pugs make suicide look good. I made the mistake of joining a pug for the second shing jea mission (forget the name) and the lvl 20 sin who was supposed to help us had crap armor and was set as a 55. WTF a 55 sin? Thats what people deal with in pugs. If on said weekend you can remove the retards that ruin pugs I will be happy to play without H/H. Until then, no thanks.

~the rat~

I would pug alot more but Every PuG team I join has at minnium 1 of these kind of people I always try to be as nice a possable when I notice these and ask if they would run 1 of the many builds that works and they say NO NO NO my build pwns and of course they die in 1 hit and rage quit because they can not handle the LOLs from the group and people saying you should lisitened to him now were gonna have to restart, hours later and many PUG groups later Im still wondering how we have not completed the Goal and you just H/H it and complete on first try HMMMM which would you do? hours wasted or 1st try competion?
That is why people do not PUG anymore and those who do still PUG are the people who refuse to change builds, tactics, and of course compass drawing.

CagedinSanity · Oct 24, 2007, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Forcing people to play with others = bad. Why? Most of the PvE population suck. The weekend would be horrible. All the good players would be playing with their guild/alliance/friends, while the people who enjoy to keep to themselves are either forced to not play at all, or group with the rest of the horrible GW players.

I solo a lot of the game and hop on guild activities when called for. I wouldn't play at all, and some missions would be inaccessable due to hero requirements. For quests, even!

And I've quit trying to PuG. After recent experiences, I just won't PuG ever again. If I'm not H/Hing stuff or playing with guildies, I just chat or hop on my permapre character. Where a Charr-farm PuG isn't as bad.

Origin · Oct 24, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

One more thing to mention:

Everytime Anet make weekend event, there's something to do in game for people who don't like that weekend. Does double faction affect everyone's game? No, and if they don't like gain twice as much factions, they can go play AB for example. Same with reputation, droprate, everything, right? Okay, and now imagine Anet would make OP's mentioned event. Would be players that don't like idea of it affected? Yes! They couldn't play at all, if they don't like PvP.

Witchblade · Oct 24, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

i guessed who posted this as soon as i saw the title -.-'

anyway /signed if you want but AFAIAC, that'll be either a non-GW or farming WE for me, but i guess it's more original that 2x fame,2x noob-green, 2x dyes WE ^^