Curse

pumpkin pie · Nov 28, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by makoto

/notsigned Bad idea. You can't have cake and eat it.

Yes you can, I go to lots of birthday parties, I always have the cake in my hand and then eat it. Because cake is always for eating. Unless you are afraid of becoming this.

MithranArkanere · Nov 28, 2007, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Yes, you can, if you have TWO cakes, if you eat part of the cake, after eating it, in your stomach...

But that has nothing to do with this.

The original Addition of Survivor was to praise those characters that already had 0 deaths. When the title was added. Ding. They got it instantly.

But that was a mistake, like the LDoA, because those characters had 0 deaths for the mere purpose of having 0 deaths. Not to get a title.
Now, there is a title that praises getting xxxXP without a single death. Dad did not existed, so players could not go for it. But now, players can activaly go for it, as long as they create new characters.

You can say, it's like masks, you get them if you where there...

NO.

You can get a title with a new character. Today.
You can't get it with an old character, never.

And since a lag hit it's the most probable case of Survivor broken when a character goes for it, that turns Survivor into a title about luck, not about skill.

Whatever the way it is, Old characters should have the chances to be able to try it.

They should have reseted the death counters to 0, informpeople about the title and make the title start from 0 for all characters when the title was added, by the way. They didn't do that, but it's not late to fix a wrongdoing.

pumpkin pie · Nov 28, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Yo there, MithranArkanere,

Two cakes is better then one cake...I'd eat them both. Rofl, and I am not sure which Idea you are supporting, I am all for this idea, counter reset between death.

Graphik Desine · Nov 29, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

/notsigned

QQing ftl

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i believe the point of /sign and /notsign----is elaborating your thoughts past "yes" or "no" "maybe" or "qq."

cmon...elaborate. if you don't have an opinion to voice, don't type those kind of things at all

chowmein69 · Nov 29, 2007, 01:21 AM // 01:21

/signed

this is a good idea.

StelardActek · Nov 29, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

What is 'QQing' anyway?

Also, makoto, could you elaborate and say why you think it's a bad idea?

And to those people who are saying 'the whole point of survivor is to start from level 1 bla bla bla', please remember that is just how the title is currently implimented. You could just as easily say 'the whole point of MMOs is that you level forever and pay a fee every month for the privilage'. Just because things are a certain way, doesn't mean they should stay that way. What we're discussing here is an alternative that is fair to those who have gone before.

anonymous · Nov 29, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by StelardActek

What is 'QQing' anyway?

QQ is supposed to be someone crying, with the tear out of the bottom of the Q. It means crying or whining.

John Panda · Nov 29, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21

GW2 lets you transfer titles to another character i believe so go for LS on one character and transfer it to your main when you get GW2

AuraofMana · Nov 29, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

Okay some of you /unsigned people seem to be confused or just stupid:

Some characters were made BEFORE titles existed, thus, they had no way of knowing that in the future there would be a survivor title. If they knew, those who wants the title now but can't on these characters would have never died if given the choice.

For someone who wants to get LDS on a character, if they screw up and die, all they have to do is remake the character, which IS RESETTING ANYWAY. I don't see you people QQing about "OMG THAT IS SO CHEAP LOLOL". LDS was never that amazing anyway. All it takes is a lot of running around grabbing quests and standing back, which anyone with half a brain can do. The cost of gold is irrelevant, since it's around the cost of a 1.5k armor (which repays itself due to the massive amount of quest rewards). The OP has clearly stated on forcing your character to PAY gold to reset + reactivate the title.

And for those people who keep whining about "Well, now you have access to areas that have better XP and stuff like FFF". You know how long it takes to get LDS with FFF alone? You know I can just pay some guy to run me half way through the Factions campaign for crap amount of gold? Again, look at the OP's post. He/she has proposed that you must PAY GOLD to reset and reactivate the title.

Again: Read the OP's post before elaborating on why you don't think it is a good idea. If you don't have a good reason, don't bother posting.

BTW: /Signed.

Killy D · Nov 29, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana

Okay some of you /unsigned people seem to be confused or just stupid:

Some characters were made BEFORE titles existed, thus, they had no way of knowing that in the future there would be a survivor title. If they knew, those who wants the title now but can't on these characters would have never died if given the choice.

For someone who wants to get LDS on a character, if they screw up and die, all they have to do is remake the character, which IS RESETTING ANYWAY. I don't see you people QQing about "OMG THAT IS SO CHEAP LOLOL". LDS was never that amazing anyway. All it takes is a lot of running around grabbing quests and standing back, which anyone with half a brain can do. The cost of gold is irrelevant, since it's around the cost of a 1.5k armor (which repays itself due to the massive amount of quest rewards). The OP has clearly stated on forcing your character to PAY gold to reset + reactivate the title.

And for those people who keep whining about "Well, now you have access to areas that have better XP and stuff like FFF". You know how long it takes to get LDS with FFF alone? You know I can just pay some guy to run me half way through the Factions campaign for crap amount of gold? Again, look at the OP's post. He/she has proposed that you must PAY GOLD to reset and reactivate the title.

Again: Read the OP's post before elaborating on why you don't think it is a good idea. If you don't have a good reason, don't bother posting.

BTW: /Signed.

I can see where your coming from but at the end of the day...once your dead you've lost the title track, hence the term "Survivor"

StelardActek · Nov 29, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Killy D

I can see where your coming from but at the end of the day...once your dead you've lost the title track, hence the term "Survivor"

So you're saying if you've died once, then no matter how much XP you acquire, no matter how much you do from then on without dying any more times, you're not what people would call a survivor. You're saying that you could earn a million XP a day for 3 years, but since you have that one death, you're not capable of surviving, always a failure because of one mistake?

I think you're getting caught up on what the title means at present, not what it could mean. It doesn't HAVE to mean 'never died'. It DOES NOT mean 'never died', since once you have it you can die to your heart's content. So why not have it mean 'capable of surviving'? Why shouldn't it mean 'I got this much XP without dying while I was acquiring it'? That's still impressive, and would still make you a survivor in the minds of the layman, the non-GW player, the people who haven't heard of GW's dubiously named 'Survivor' title.

As an aside, your assertion that 'once died, never a survivor' is rather morally bankrupt if you applied it to real life. Sounds a lot like 'once a criminal, always a criminal' to me...

Killy D · Nov 29, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

And I think your getting caught up crying that you can't get Survivor on characters made before titles came in. The principle of the title is to get 1,337,500 xp from scratch without dieing once. Not, "I've died once lets get 1,337,500 xp again and lets call it survivor."

But I can see what you mean, make some other title regardless of death, get 3,000,000 xp without dieing once etc. But The Survivor title atm is 1,337,500xp without a single death and theres not much either of us can do to change that. If you want it then just make a new character and max out titles on that one to get PKM FoW etc.

Midgar · Nov 29, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Killy D

And I think your getting caught up crying that you can't get Survivor on characters made before titles came in. The principle of the title is to get 1,337,500 xp from scratch without dieing once. Not, "I've died once lets get 1,337,500 xp again and lets call it survivor."

But the point is that there are almost no differences between a level 1 character gaining 1.337.500 exp and a level 20 gaining 1.337.500 exp.

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Originally Posted by Killy D

But I can see what you mean, make some other title regardless of death, get 3,000,000 xp without dieing once etc. But The Survivor title atm is 1,337,500xp without a single death and theres not much either of us can do to change that.

Well, but that's the whole point of the thread. There's a reason why there's a "Sardelac Sanitarium" forum.

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Originally Posted by Killy D

(...) then just make a new character (...)

You don't "just" make a new character to replace one you have been playing on for more than two years. It is possible, of course, but not everyone likes the idea of sacrificing all the amount of hours you have spend on the specific character.

If this game is about having fun then I can't really see why it shouldn't be possible to get the title just because you died once. After all, it just encourage people who also want the cartographer title, to run around and avoid combat in the beginner arenas and thus ruining the fun for the other people. Or what about Vizunah Square where people quit if they see that the other team consists of a PUG?

Those who really wants the title and use the boring FFF or Marketplace/Jade Brotherhood methods already have it by now so there's is no way the title will get cheapened if it gets available to old characters if characters who simple died because of lag. Why should people who likes challenges not be given the chance to get the title in the real way(i.e. not using FFF or Marketplace/Jade Brotherhood) without sacrificing xxx hours?

And last but not least:
/signed

Matt_Night · Nov 29, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

/signed

I'm playing practically only 1 char which is ~30 mos old now and never got a chance to try becoming a survivor. I have 26 maxed titles on it atm and not gonna start a new 1 just to try getting this 1 title.
Being able to get survivor on "older" chars would be rly nice imo.

Electric · Nov 29, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I agree with the author odf the post and with Matt above.

My character is about two years old and is my main. This is the character i do all my titles on. I have 27 titles on this character and in no way am I willing to delete this character and start over.

I don't see this idea being any type of shortcut or downgrading people that "got it the hard way". Even at level 20 with max everything, I don't know anyone that doesnt die multiple times a day.

If u wanna get technical about downgrading titles and unfairness to people that earned titles "the hard way" before certain skills and things were out ... just take a look at the Ursan elite. Almost any title post GW:EN can be done with total ease using Ursan Blessing...examples:

Vanquishing any area
Guardian/Protector Missions
Skill Capping

All these titles are easily twice as easy if not more now by only using Ursan Blessing.

I don't see why Survivor should be any different, I think everyone should get there shot at it, the hard way or his way.

/signed

Loviatar · Nov 29, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by StelardActek

I think you're getting caught up on what the title means at present, not what it could mean. It doesn't HAVE to mean 'never died'. It DOES NOT mean 'never died', since once you have it you can die to your heart's content.

it means you got the title without dying period.

it means you created a character and *NEVER DIED* while getting the title so ...smirk..*live with it*

after the title is gotten you still have the title

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As an aside, your assertion that 'once died, never a survivor' is rather morally bankrupt if you applied it to real life. Sounds a lot like 'once a criminal, always a criminal' to me..

nominated for most assinine idea so far this month *rather morally bankrupt*

dead is dead a criminal is alive to change.

Elentari · Nov 29, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

/signed.

i'm prolly repeating what's been said, but i just want to emphasize that i made my main char before titles came out, and thus can currently never get legendary survivor on her. And there's no way I'd remake her just because of the sheer amount of effort put into her already (titles, customized equips, etc u know the deal). So it would be very nice to be able to get LS.

makoto · Nov 29, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana

Okay some of you /unsigned people seem to be confused or just stupid

Calling folks stupid for disagreeing with you will surely make everyone respect your opinion and rally your cause to Gaile Grey

StelardActek · Nov 29, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

it means you created a character and *NEVER DIED* while getting the title ...

And what real difference is there between 'created a character and never died while getting the title' and simply 'never died while getting the title'?

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

dead is dead

Not in Guild Wars it isn't.

Oh, and people really shouldn't bandy about the 'live with it' and 'if you don't like it, tough' lines so much. After all, what if ArenaNet decided to impliment this idea and you didn't like it? Would you appreciate being told 'tough, live with it' by those who like the idea? Just because we're on the internet doesn't mean we shouldn't be understanding and empathic.

Exterminate all · Nov 29, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

/signed

I REALLY like this idea, one of the best ones come up on Sarladec in a long time. It's not a bad idea, unlike others.

This is awesome, hope this gets implemented into the game via next update :P

Yes, this is great, many people will benefit from this, if you die then start over or if you want another kind of a big deal title or w/e then you will be able to get one via survivor.

Ownage :P

/signed