Curse

SotiCoto · Sep 10, 2007, 04:08 PM // 16:08

/Not-Signed you lazy fetchers.

Ferret · Sep 10, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

My view is that if each rank requirement was dropped by one (so armour would need rank 4, not 5), most people would be happy.

Rank 4 is almost achieveable through the missions/quests alone and you just need to do a little bit of farming to make up the difference. Suddenly the repetative grind is mostly gone.

The other option would be to add a few repeatable quests with a sensible rep reward (or increase the rewards for the current quests, i mean most only give 250 rep).

Peace,

Ferret

Phoenix Tears · Sep 10, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

GW:EN is something for people, that don't get annoyed a a little bit of grinding, when you want to call it so, even when it isn't -.-

people which whine here cause of that stuff are all only somewhat of lazy bums ..., so in this case im the same opinion like my before posters

the first ranks are very quick reached in all race titles, primary quests are all redoable and give good points to the titleses, especially for the norn ..
do repeatedly the norn bear quest (500 points) and you raise so quick in ranks ...

go RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing killing monsters over 150+ and go then collecting bonus points from the npcs for other races 8asura/ human and you gain quick points too , when your good, you raise quick with a bit luck your gaining to 5 or 6 points per monster kill, which is maximum.
Due to the fact that the maps are big and filled with near like 200+ monsters u gain quick several hundred points per run, when your very lucky, you get even boss bounty bonus while killing normal monsters and when u kill then bosses while the bonus is again, u get 200 points direct per boss kill !!.
there exists even ther same bonus for normal monsters where u have to kill 10 monsters within 150 seconds, easily doen with right team/tactic and the luck, when enough monsters are in your near, when u receive the bonus, so that u have not too much to run for monsters.

dwarfs get points in dungeons, there the same, kill monsters and you gain quick points with some luck, primary quests that give points to dwarfs are the highest.

then an other way. complete those 2 books and give them to any race, you will receive 3000 points per book for the race you gave the completed books, after that the npcs will give you new empty ones that you can fill again by redoing dungeons and primary quests to give them again to a race book npc to receive again points for the race you gave the completed books ...

so stop whining, the points are cheap and quick gained, the max rank required points are very low and for making those titles more elite, the spaces between the ranks could be imo a lot higher, and then there could exists more ways to receive points ...

example: asura points for polymocking versus other players for wins
norn points for 1v1 pvp duels in norn arena

and so on

omg, when people are whinin now for this little shit, i don't want to know, how they start crying like little babies, when GW 2 is out and it "finally" becomes alot more like a classic MMORPG with alot more persistence and so on.

Don't forget, there are racial titles like these missing > charr title rank, sylvari title rank and the somehow promised next new races, developers have spoken of, that these ones are not the only new playable races in GW2 and that in future will come more.

*hopes for dwarfs, centaurs, fairys, tengus(avicaras), sylphs(mursaat), when the game has dwafs/centaurs, then elfs and drows don't may missing even when this is against very much players opinions

, but fact is, these races are part of the classics, like dwarfs and centaurs too, when people would say now, elfs/drows don't fit to GW, then would dwarfs and centaurs don't fit either with their logic

I at least hope really, that the classical races will come, but thats an other kind of suggestion that is discussed somewhere else endlessly ...

Ferret · Sep 11, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

people which whine here cause of that stuff are all only somewhat of lazy bums ..., so in this case im the same opinion like my before posters...

Lazy...hmmm...i think you'll find most have jobs and major studies that reduces the time they have to play. Yet not wanting to grind for hours in a GAME, is not being lazy. Lazy is not getting yourself a job or bettering your education and playing a game all day instead (i'm not saying that is your case btw). To be honest, i think most people just want it to be at a rank where you can get the armour for having at least taken the effort to complete the game (about Rank 4).

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

the first ranks are very quick reached in all race titles, primary quests are all redoable and give good points to the titleses, especially for the norn ..
do repeatedly the norn bear quest (500 points) and you raise so quick in ranks...

The 500 points is only for the first time, after that you normally only get 100 points now, which doesnt make it a practicle return on the time spent. You may as well go grinding.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

then an other way. complete those 2 books and give them to any race, you will receive 3000 points per book for the race you gave the completed books, after that the npcs will give you new empty ones that you can fill again by redoing dungeons and primary quests to give them again to a race book npc to receive again points for the race you gave the completed books ...

I believe it is only 2,500 points for a book, not 3k. Those 500 points make a lot of difference.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

example: asura points for polymocking versus other players for wins
norn points for 1v1 pvp duels in norn arena...and so on...

Fine, except that the Vanguard do NOT have anything of this nature yet and the Norn tourny costs 100gp a pop, which can soon add up.

Really, i think your post has actually managed to be one of the biggest whines i have seen in this thread and pretty much in no way constructive.
It sounds selfish, childish and very insulting to people who have posted without the need for swearing or near personal remarks and it is sad that you have felt the need to go to such lengths.

It is unlikely that the ranks will change, so we'll all have to grind, so you're probably quite safe, which is a shame for those of us with more than a one or two characters, but hey ho...that's Guild Wars.

Just as a final note, i would like to add that for the most part i do enjoy GW:EN and think it brought a lot of interesting things to the game and i will grind to Rank 5 for those few characters i want armour for regardless.

Phoenix Tears · Sep 11, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

loo,l people which simple want not to grind for 1 cent like those, that whine here cause of these laughable "high" ranks wish, as the thread is called, that there is no rank, that you can get the stuff direct, like on the campaigns.

really, when this is not lazy, then i dunno. when they would say: lower it by 1-2 ranks, fine (for me personally still lazyXD) but it would be acceptable, but not removing them totally.

theres no need to lower it or to remove it, people have even not to grind up to rank 4, you just need to play normally, make primary quests, side quests, use the race bonus npcs for killing monsters and u gain quick enough points + giving away completed books ...

the problem lies not in the "high" ranks, the problem lies in the people, which want to have every shit within 1 second of work !!!!.
They kil monsters for points and look then every minute, how much points they have now more oO see then, thats not very much more and think, how slow it goes, start then whining about having to grind till they are old grandpa/ma's
Thats so silly and thats really childish. When you simple have not the endurement to grind a bit for those armors, than simple LET IT.
NO ONE FORCES YOU TO GRIND FOR THEM.
In the end, when you've done it, its sor or so your personal opinion, if you think thebn, if all the work was it worth, or not.
But when you really want to have something, you don't whine, you simple do it, until you have,m what u want to have. POINT !!!

It was not different with the Obsidian Armors in prophecies, how much childish people have whined massively in the start, how hard it is to receive this Armor, how much you have to grind to get all the ecto plasm, the obsidian pieces and last but not least all the god damn money to buy the armors, when you want not to farm/grind ecto plasm, which were much more worth in the past, as they are now.
But people stopped whining, simple worked hard for the stuff they wanted and after some time they got their obsidian armors and were proud of their work.

its really god damn childish to whine now for this shit here, as if the world would going to its end, only because u've to grind a bit to be able to buy you the newer armors, which are much lesser worth then obsidian armors and need much much much.... LESSER effort to receive them.

so my last word is

NOT SIGNED !!!!

Effendi Westland · Sep 11, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Don't really care, though it convinced me not to get GW:EN on my second account as maintaining that many characters is too much work with too little reward.

BlackSephir · Sep 11, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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the problem lies not in the "high" ranks, the problem lies in the people, which want to have every shit within 1 second of work !!!!.

Okay gang, who's the villain? Who hit this guy in the head so hard that he can only post stupid s**t?
I mean, lots of people here said that they don't want to remove rank required for crafting but to make it available another way- for example, adding more quests with +rank reward.
But this guy somehow managed to ignore everything and continue with his crappy rant.

I don't know if there's a cure for this. I'm sorry.
:salute:

Phoenix Tears · Sep 11, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Okay gang, who's the villain? Who hit this guy in the head so hard that he can only post stupid s**t?
I mean, lots of people here said that they don't want to remove rank required for crafting but to make it available another way- for example, adding more quests with +rank reward.
But this guy somehow managed to ignore everything and continue with his crappy rant.

I don't know if there's a cure for this. I'm sorry.
:salute:

guy, i don't ignored something, i wrote only about the general problem, people have, that much simple want to have things too easy, when something exists, which means that they have to grind a bit for several days ...
Then come up wishes like "remove this, remove that ..."

Like here: people have to grind a bit, so that they are able to buy the new armors, directs comes up the wish "remove it totally, so that it becomes like buying normally armors on all the other campaigns"

But then the armors will totally lose their little bit of "speciality" and just become 0815-Armors like all others except obsidian and Elite Ones ... only with the fact, that they cost then a bit more money.
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other point. when you didn't saw the little "sarcasm" in my sentence, that you've quoted, then it's not my fault, it's yours ...
Sure, lots people said they don't want remove it, but when I did wrote the stuff, I looked only at the topic of this thread and the opinion of its thread starters, which wants to remove it totally with this petition.

When I#ve overseen now something, then its my fault, but that can happen, im no machine , I'm a human and humans make failures..don't forget that

More quests are naturally a solution for lesser grinding, but I haven't seen
yet Anet giving us new free quests, other then with the furnish's sorrow update and I personally don't believe, that Anet makes somethign like this again to implement for free new areas and filling them with dozens of new npcs, which give out new quests, even when i wish me that really too, because there are again somewhat of much fields in the GW.EN map parts, which are totally unused -.-, which cold be used as a little furnish sorrows update 2, witzh new quests and a new elite place, because i really think GW:EN is not really an add on for elite players, even when monsters are all like level 24-28, but due to the bonus buffs, GW:EN is nearly a joke.

id really love to see a big elite area where party size is 16, where the party really has to be so big, to be able to survive and where the party can make then elite-quests, which give then very good amounts of race points for titles to lower the part of grinding for the higher ranks of rank 4-5+
Quests, people could then only start, when all members of the party are at least rank x-x

However, Anet will surely find a solution for this, but removing the conditions from armor npcs is none imo.

Curraheeec · Sep 11, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

/not-signed, I obtained r5 for all parties within a week, but I understand the concerns of many. IMO, I believe the handbook and the dungeon guide should be worth 5k each instead of 2.5k and there should be more rep point related quests.

Dougal Kronik · Sep 11, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

/not signed

It's nice to see characters who have actually played through some of the game that are wearing the high end armors.

Phoenix Tears · Sep 11, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

/not signed

It's nice to see characters who have actually played through some of the game that are wearing the high end armors.

Offtopic:

hmm, for me these racial armors are no high end armors.
like 70% is much uglier then any existin elite armors from the 3 campaigns, + that GW:En should give imo 80 new armors, not 40 ..

for me, these 40 armors are so ugly, that they don't deserve to be called elite armors, there should imo exist 40 another, armors, which weild then the prefix "Elite" in front and which look then too like elite armors.

The work you need to make for those armors isn't either hard enough to call these armors "high end"
I'd expected for so called high end armors something alot more harder, then this little bit of grinding, something more similar to the obsidian armor, thats really 1 high end armor, because you have really to work hard for it to receive the armor pieces to get a complete armor..
compared to obsidians, the racial armors are a big joke !!

and from high end armors, i expect pve wise somehow, that they are a bit better, then any normal armors, which can receive any noob within some days ... when calling sokmething high end, or better said "epic", then the stuff should it be worth to be called so .... that are the racial armors imo by far NOT

Dean Harper · Sep 11, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

/notsigned

im in the same position myself, but you dont see me complaining do you?

Ferret · Sep 11, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Curraheeec

IMO, I believe the handbook and the dungeon guide should be worth 5k each instead of 2.5k and there should be more rep point related quests.

I have to say this would probably be the best solution, or to increase the rep points you get from quests (most are only 250 rep, which isnt a hell of a lot, i'd rather less xp and more rep).

knifff · Sep 11, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

/not signed

The more you play, the more you have, that's simple. Otherwise the game wouldn't be worth it.

Don't forget, HM is still to come.

Gattocheese · Sep 11, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

I dont really care for grind, but if the armor was original and leet looking like all end game armor is supposed to look like, i wouldnt mind the grind to get my armor. Buttttt..... since all the armor basically sucks or dissappointing, i could care less if they remove the title requirement or find an alternative way to obtain them. Cheers and Enjoy to all who wants that crappy stuff (imo) !

Fox Reeveheart · Sep 11, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by rohara

i wouldn't go as far as to say remove the title requirements completely...just lower them a tad. i've finished the game and i still can't craft anything but consumables. (r3 in all the titles) seems kinda wrong you can beat the game, do all the quests, even farm a little bit - and still not be able to craft armor or weapons. *shrug*

This is excatly... EXACTLY why I sign.

/signed

If I beat the game I should be able to access these re-skinned bags of garbage. heck.

I WAS THE MAJOR REASON WHY I GOT THE MISSING VANGUARD BACK! SHOULDNT THAT BE ENOUGH TO TALK TO THE ARMOR GUY NOW? IS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU? I RISKED MY LIFE TIME AND TIME AGAIN FOR CONSUMABLES?

edit: and why do people think HM will improve the grind situation? IMO it wont. HM I think will only let you reach the top title. I believe it will still only give 1 point per kill. Which hey if you want to grind 100k more points then go ahead, it's your pointless life you're wasting.

I just would like it to be more gratifying that once you helped them out they would give you access to their stuff. It would make MUCH more sense

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Sep 11, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I really dont think this fighting is really neccissary, as history speaks to the future it is almost certain Anet will at some point do a "Double Norn Point weekend" or something like that. And for each race eventually. Or possibly even a Double Rep weekend. Double for each kill, and double for each bonus.

payne · Sep 11, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

/not signed...

otherwise the armour would become something like Droks armour with lv2s wearing it...proves you have taken some times / effort in getting it rather then just hiring someone to run to the crafter NPC

Lyllrik · Sep 12, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

/sign

As much I hate mindless grinding.

/not signed

Seriously, no lv 2s with rep armour...

How about:

Don't remove it. Have the requirement of that you must have cleared the game for that character.

Or lower it to r3 or maybe r4. That's approx how much you have when you've done all quests, maybe turned in the two books.

Snow Bunny · Sep 12, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

I hate pve as much as it is. My monk should be able to purchase what she wants, when she wants it. This title bullshit is exactly what it is. Is if I wanted to grind mindlessly, I'd go get r2 KoaBD.

/signed x10000