Curse

isamu kurosawa · Jan 20, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

I'd rather they simply implement a message that appears on screen at random invervals in towns/outposts (in the same way the kill x boss does in gwen) with statements such as:

Tanking Sucks
Umpteen echo nuking Sucks
Paragons > Bonders
Healing monks are inneficient
Healing breeze is a waste of a skill slot
Hundred blades is not a good choice

...and so on and so forth,

Craywulf · Jan 20, 2008, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

I'd rather they simply implement a message that appears on screen at random invervals in towns/outposts (in the same way the kill x boss does in gwen) with statements such as:

Tanking Sucks
Umpteen echo nuking Sucks
Paragons > Bonders
Healing monks are inneficient
Healing breeze is a waste of a skill slot
Hundred blades is not a good choice

...and so on and so forth,

What's better than Healing Breeze?

runeseeker1 · Jan 20, 2008, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Songbringer

a pug=big headed and narrow minded? well then son welcome to the life of a pug because to say that you want a way to weed out bad players u r in fact making urself big headed and narrow minded.

Just cause sum1 isnt as good as u they should get marked so no 1 will want to play with them? How bout we mark all the top ha/gvg guilds with purple fuzzy hearts so that means there chat wont show to us normal folk. Srry but just because sum1 doesnt grind a title or play 23 out of 24 hours in a day doesnt mean they shouldnt b able to get grouped with better players.

As for the "dumb" players. Just cause u say there dumb doesn't make them dumb. Shit happens!. U wipe u start over. Its 8 man party the whole team loses or the whole team wins. Doesn't mean the war that messed up aggro is dumb or the monk who missed woh is dumb or the ranger missed the interupt is dumb. It means were human and shit happens. A hero shouldn't be as good as a person. You shouldn't get 7 heroes. Your SHOULD want to play with other players good bad or in between. Ur playing an online game with kids from 8 years old to old ppl that r 60 years old. Its an ONLINE game if you don't want to deal with people who are worse then you. GO PLAY A GAME THAT HAS SOLO PLAYER

We don't mean players who are bad at timing interrupts, or hit that WoH a little too late. We mean the Rangers that run Firestorm, or Warriors who run out of your compass, die, then demand to be rezzed in capital letters... and so on.

Ooh, ooh, ooh! And the monk with Power Shot!

And proper grammar ftw.

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

GW should calculate damage dealt, damage protted, damage healed, and damage taken for all players in a pug.

GW should also have averages of these numbes for full hench groups in that area (Anet can run simulations with just hench teams in every area).

At the 25%, 50%, and 75% completion marks of the mission/quest/vanquish, if your performance is more than 10% below that of the benchmark set by the hench whose build is most similar to yours, you are automatically kicked and replaced with a henchie.

I realize that this may sometimes result in the entire team being kicked and replaced by henchies...

After you have been autokicked and replaced by a henchie 25 times, the game automatically uninstalls and your accout is deleted.

lol at the last part.

isamu kurosawa · Jan 20, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by Craywulf

What's better than Healing Breeze?

Depending on the build dwayna's kiss, gift of health, signet of rejuv, RoF or to actually remove a condition/hex. If you use it to heal someone who it daking dmg rather than degen thats even worse.

The only time its useful in a build is a farming build such as 55hp that relies on regens greater effectiveness with low hp.

arbiter · Jan 20, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

any1 can run a few quests and still be an idiot and any1 can look up test answers on wiki. This wouldnt solve anything.

/notsigned

Raku Clayman · Jan 20, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

To Meat Axe and Zahr Dalsk:

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Shakespeare, "Hamlet" Act 3, scene 2

You see, this is the type of mean spirited attack that seems to pervade the current GW player. Thanks for proving my point. Most of what I said was tongue in cheek.

Btw, I agree with you. Playing Crysis maxed out is the way to go. It is simply the best and most advanced game out there. I loved their first game, too. "Far Cry."

Now, what's this /signed or /notsigned thing? I'm so out of it.

Tyla · Jan 20, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Songbringer

a pug=big headed and narrow minded? well then son welcome to the life of a pug because to say that you want a way to weed out bad players u r in fact making urself big headed and narrow minded.

Actually..would you rather have a narrow-minded person who can only run ursan?
This might not solve much, but atleast it makes PuGing half decent.

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Just cause sum1 isnt as good as u they should get marked so no 1 will want to play with them? How bout we mark all the top ha/gvg guilds with purple fuzzy hearts so that means there chat wont show to us normal folk. Srry but just because sum1 doesnt grind a title or play 23 out of 24 hours in a day doesnt mean they shouldnt b able to get grouped with better players.

No, some people just CANNOT play, or listen to orders.
When I PuGged, guess what? They didn't follow orders.
Most PuG's are ignorant, and whats with the title grinding bit? Oh...yeah ursan, I hate that skill.

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As for the "dumb" players. Just cause u say there dumb doesn't make them dumb. Shit happens!. U wipe u start over. Its 8 man party the whole team loses or the whole team wins. Doesn't mean the war that messed up aggro is dumb or the monk who missed woh is dumb or the ranger missed the interupt is dumb. It means were human and shit happens. A hero shouldn't be as good as a person. You shouldn't get 7 heroes. Your SHOULD want to play with other players good bad or in between. Ur playing an online game with kids from 8 years old to old ppl that r 60 years old. Its an ONLINE game if you don't want to deal with people who are worse then you. GO PLAY A GAME THAT HAS SOLO PLAYER

Heroes/Henchmen...
"Shit happens" isn't it, "shit happens" is when a simple mistake happens once, not when a PuG fails almost indefinately on a single easy mission.

Also: please don't use so much text-speech, it's incredibly hard to read.

The reason this thread has been created is against idiots who think mending is a good idea, ect.
Ones who think they can draw penises on the minimap and think they're funny.
Don't tell me some people haven't seen the immaturity of a PuG?
But this should also be aimed at maturity mostly.

Arkantos · Jan 20, 2008, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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You will know who they are and can avoid partying with them. Problem solved.

So because someone can pass some sort of IQ quest, they're good? No, they aren't. IQ has nothing to do with people who don't understand game mechanics or how to effectively play the profession they're playing. Sure you can tell people all about the game mechanics, but it doesn't mean they'll use them. You can tell people why skill x is good and why skill y is bad, and people will still run skill y.

You don't need to have skill to play Guild Wars PvE. Players have access to overpowered skills like ursan and pve skills to help them beat the game. Now see, if PvE did take some skill to play, finding somewhat decent players would be easier because there would be less bad players in the areas you want to pug. But since PvE takes no skill, there are bad players everywhere, and pugging is a mess. There's really nothing you can do about it as long as ANet keep dumbing down PvE.

As long as good players keep playing with guildies/friends/heroes, pugging is going to be crap.

MithranArkanere · Jan 20, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

There are some that are not very brings, other that are selfish pieces of meat, but other are just learning.

There is already a way to test if they are good enough or not for you.

JOIN THEM.

If you see that they make weird things, tell them so. If hey don't listen, do not join them again.

See? Welcome to cooperative play.

Geez.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 20, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by Songbringer

Ur playing an online game with kids from 8 years old

1 - "Ur" is not a word, bumblef*ck.

2 - Guild Wars is rated T for Teen by the ESRB. Therefore people should be at least age 13 to play. http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

We should never encounter anyone under the age of 13 in Guild Wars.

Marverick · Jan 20, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

So because someone can pass some sort of IQ quest, they're good? No, they aren't. IQ has nothing to do with people who don't understand game mechanics or how to effectively play the profession they're playing. Sure you can tell people all about the game mechanics, but it doesn't mean they'll use them. You can tell people why skill x is good and why skill y is bad, and people will still run skill y.

You don't need to have skill to play Guild Wars PvE. Players have access to overpowered skills like ursan and pve skills to help them beat the game. Now see, if PvE did take some skill to play, finding somewhat decent players would be easier because there would be less bad players in the areas you want to pug. But since PvE takes no skill, there are bad players everywhere, and pugging is a mess. There's really nothing you can do about it as long as ANet keep dumbing down PvE.

As long as good players keep playing with guildies/friends/heroes, pugging is going to be crap.

The game mechanics are simple. You don't need to play 5 hours a day to understand them, and you don't need to be hardcore at the game to know how to play it effectively. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that spamming 10-energy skills to make red bars go up is bad, especially when that skill can only push up 18 health a second and the ally is getting pummeled for more than that. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Flare has terrible DPS, or that Monks cannot run bow attacks without expertise. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that running 4 dedicated healers on one team (yes, one PuG did that in Ruins of Morah) is a complete waste of oxygen. Now will you people shut up with this nonsense about how everyone who knows how to play the game is a hardcore, lifeless person who sits at the computer 24/7.

I'm all for giving new players a chance, but this thread is not directed at new players. It's directed for those who have played for at least half a year to a year and who still thing Mending is 1337 on W/Mo's and a pure healing Monk is useful and Paragons suck and etc.

There can be something implemented to help new players out. If you guys would stop arguing about how this is discrimination, then perhaps we can discuss that. This is not discrimination; discrimination is excluding people because of something that they cannot control, ex. skin color, race, gender, etc.

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any1 can run a few quests and still be an idiot and any1 can look up test answers on wiki. This wouldnt solve anything.

Well then YOU, as part of the COMMUNITY, will just have to refrain from putting those answers on wiki, right?

And the quests will have to be designed to be uncompletable if one is an idiot. For example, Warrior = you are tasked to kill a 4-man team with a ZB Monk with no other offense on your team (hint: tanking = bad, Warriors = kill stuff). Monk = you have to keep yourself and 3 allies alive against 4 Assassins or something (hint = pre-prot instead of healing). Yes, you could look up the builds, they're probably strewn around everywhere, but I doubt that an idiotic mind can make much sense out of it if he doesn't try to get rid of his idiocy.

Kanyatta · Jan 20, 2008, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Raku Clayman

Most of the women characters are boys, living out their cross dressing fantasies.

Maybe the male characters look like shit? Have you ever seen a male Ritualist? I never want to again. Same with the male Monks, most Warriors, most Mesmers and Assassins.

Maybe there are some people that like their characters to not look like complete douchebags.

Xebedinct · Jan 20, 2008, 05:32 AM // 05:32

They need a randomized IQ test at login. If they do not score above a certain number, their manhood shall be cut off and fed to the goats.

You can't see me · Jan 20, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59

How about instead of an IQ test, a build construction test?

Kanyatta · Jan 20, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

How about instead of an IQ test, a build construction test?

The only thing about ideas like an IQ test about GW and things like that, is because "good" in video games is mostly relative. If a PvE noob wammo took the test and was just like "Mending covers for my Frenzy+Healsigging dumbasses! It makes perfect sense!" He would rage, write a hateful e-mail to Anet, and then never buy any GW/Anet product again.

To any successful business:

Money > Consumers

You can't see me · Jan 20, 2008, 06:20 AM // 06:20

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

The only thing about ideas like an IQ test about GW and things like that, is because "good" in video games is mostly relative. If a PvE noob wammo took the test and was just like "Mending covers for my Frenzy+Healsigging dumbasses! It makes perfect sense!" He would rage, write a hateful e-mail to Anet, and then never buy any GW/Anet product again.

To any successful business:

Money > Consumers

If you're going down that route, then we may as well point out that an IQ test would be a much greater discrimination, and against business.

That is, if you're taking any of this as seriously viable ideas.

Stupid Shizno · Jan 20, 2008, 07:44 AM // 07:44

instead of some test that is a joke fail idea anyways, get over it. the game already implimented ctrl+click on build. make them do it, or kick them. wow, you just solved a major problem in your QQ.

pumpkin pie · Jan 20, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/IQ_test_list

I vote for a test to filter out players who think they are the elite-ess instead.

Kwan Xi · Jan 20, 2008, 08:59 AM // 08:59

When NF came out I started Hero/Henching a lot more because I saw a dramatic increase of new players, idiots, and jerks even up to the Realm of Torment areas.

Before Heroes and Hench AI Improvements I didn't have a serious problem with PuGs. It was my belief that the more experienced players teach the less experienced ones, either through actual teaching, sharing knowledge about the mission or class, or bitching and whining like babies about the "Noob(s)" in the group to force them to get wise.

I think when Hero/Henching became possible the experienced players and guild players just didn't bother with picking up people anymore, they would just fill their gaps with Heros or They would just play alone. The Teachers were gone and the Idiots and Jerks remained.

Before Nightfall about 70% of PuGs I joined got the job done, After it kinda became 40-50%. Now with Eye of the North unless its Slaver's Exile I have never seen a PuG with 8 full players form anymore.

I Stopped joining PUGs in NF because I just couldn't get anywhere with them. I tried to go back to PUGs in GWEN and I almost never see anyone try to form one. Last time I tried to PUG a GWEN Mission I just kept getting told to Hero Hench it.

pumpkin pie · Jan 20, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05

the truth is, I don't know why people who like to PUG would think the other players are noob or idiots or bad players, if you want to pug, you get all sorts, and you know the possibility of getting a bad players is there, why be so "elite" that you need to weed those that you think is "unworthy" to play with you?

Yes I've come across many very weird characters/players but that's it, and i've also come across many very good players, if you want guaranteed that 100% of the time in your life to get good stuff... well you can't! so H/H it or stop whining.

Lastly, PUG group that often failed miserably that I've been in are not those that has new players (noob as you all like to called them) or players that have bad build, it is always the one that has a very bossy players who thinks they are the most good in the game who shoves everyone around that failed miserably. I can roughly says around 80% of the time this is true. Because when you have someone bossy, another players will be there to counter them and then the typing wars begin.... hence while everyone is typing and insults are flying around everyone dies....