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arcanemacabre · Feb 24, 2008, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

I mean, PvEers always want more ph4t lewt to grind and farm for... right?

Misconception at best, generalization at worst. I couldn't care less about my "ph4t lewt," personally. I mean, I do like the pretty skins (subjective, not based on rarity), but I play for fun. The people who use Ursan for elite (or any other) areas most likely are the type you describe, and you're probably right on that assessment. There's no way it can be fun to use the same skills in the same zones over and over again - they're going in with a purpose, and that purpose is probably that "ph4t lewt."

So yeah, those types will lose interest in PvE, and subsequently the whole game (since they won't set foot in PvP), no matter what happens. When you play solely for accomplishment, what is there to do once the accomplishment is reached? Heh, I guess the existence of Ursan only speeds up this process. C'est la vie!

Tyla · Feb 24, 2008, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Ok. 20 atrib lvl 28 monsters, against a lvl 20, 16 max atrib human. So i herd we die? PvE is literally (in my eyes) pvp, except its unfair.

lol.
Their AI is bad. Very.
All they did with them and Hard Mode was give them buffs to their damage power, and alot of mobs don't even have monks.

Rushin Roulette · Feb 24, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

This thread is so great... emo smiley decided to bring his aprentice

///Q ``q

Hasnt this bear shaped horse been pulerized to a pulp yet?

and Talking about a skill in a game which you play to have fun, if you dont like or want to use it... then dont use it.
Join a friends/guild/alliance group which has teh same views as you do... if that doesnt work... then your in the wrong guild/alliance anyways.

And now back to you.

Abedeus · Feb 24, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

and Talking about a skill in a game which you play to have fun, if you dont like or want to use it... then dont use it.
Join a friends/guild/alliance group which has teh same views as you do... if that doesnt work... then your in the wrong guild/alliance anyways.

And now back to you.

Go away, read the other thread about Ursan and read, why it should not be left alone.

If you say ,,don't nerf Ursan because it doesn't affect you'' - What you'll say about other pve-only nerfs? SoA, Searing Flames, Stoneflesh Aura, Sand Storm, Spirit Bond... They nerfed them badly, even though you could say ,,why nerf it, if they bother you, just don't use them!''.

yesitsrob · Feb 24, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

I can think of a few reasons why people would support Ursan.

1) They need it to succeed - this is definitely the majority of people, they can't (rather won't) try to get into decent guilds if they are an "undersirable" profession - emphasis on undesirable because to most players Paragons etc are not wanted - they may also need them to succeed because said players are just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible at the game - this is really the more common reason.

2) The only time Ursan Blessing will look like a good skill is if you aren't that good. 100 damage every 3 seconds is actually not that impressive at all and it offers no real utility except a knockdown - I can get better than 100dps on my warrior and still have 5 - 6 other slots available.. Sure I can be shut down - which is why it helps to play with other people that don't suck. (obviously in PUGs this simply isn't possible)

3) People who use the "it's just a game" excuse are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarded to be honest. Just because it's a game doesn't mean to say it shouldn't be balanced or require team work - in Warcraft if I don't have the people to say.. raid Gruul's Lair, guess what, I can't do it then!, I don't see why everyone seems to be under the impression they should be able to do every area in the game, especially considering just how terrible most of them are.
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I don't think Ursan is a strong skill, there are much better templates, but the much better templates generally require you and your team to not suck - though the popular opinion seems to be you should be able to suck and still do everything the game has to offer.

I couldn't really give a shit what happens to it, I just laugh at all the people who defend its use because they'd be absolutely screwed without it (or other PVE skills for that matter) - you can use all the "omg just don't use it if you don't like it" bullshit, but the real reason you defend it is you'd be totally boned without it in the game, don't deny it, you're bad.

Rushin Roulette · Feb 24, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Go away, read the other thread about Ursan and read, why it should not be left alone.

If you say ,,don't nerf Ursan because it doesn't affect you'' - What you'll say about other pve-only nerfs? SoA, Searing Flames, Stoneflesh Aura, Sand Storm, Spirit Bond... They nerfed them badly, even though you could say ,,why nerf it, if they bother you, just don't use them!''.

Dont get me wrong. Im not defending UB. Ive joined a few UB groups as either an R7 Ursan or an N/Rit healer.... but to tell the truth both of those were boring as hell.

I prefere to play in friends groups with balanced builds (with maybe 1 or max 2 UB players if it really rocks their ship). The rest (including me) have anything but the bearform as our elite... and guess what. Its fun to play UW or FoW again.

Just leave the damn skill alone. Enough UB groups fail because the players know jack all about playing and proceede to over agro / accept the wrong quests at the wrong time / or plainly recieve more damage than the por monks can heal/protect by staying an a bunch of meteor showers thinking they are immune.

If through some wonder all of these players get a mirculous brain buff and can actually use UB in an inteligent manner (IE keeping their eye on multiple targets and not just spamming 11112221112121111112 ,most of them dont even use the ursan roar for damage reduction/increase, the whole time), then the skill should get a nerf.

Other than that, I see no reason to nerf the skill. It gives bad players the illusion that they can beat an Elite area (even after countelss fails) and good players who are lazy an excuse to go leeroy around instead of using pvxwiki builds the whole time.

{IceFire} · Feb 24, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

good players who are lazy an excuse to go leeroy around instead of using pvxwiki builds the whole time.

/thread

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

They need it to succeed - this is definitely the majority of people, they can't (rather won't) try to get into decent guilds

Ugh. Why do so many people say "get a guild"? If these people you're talking about are so bad, they won't be accepted by "good" (elitist) guilds.

Oh wait, you're from SMS...

MirkoTeran · Feb 24, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

good players who are lazy an excuse to go leeroy around instead of using pvxwiki builds the whole time.

Oxymoron?

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Numa Pompilius · Feb 24, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

No. Don't nerf ursan because it RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs the economy.

NERF URSAN BECAUSE IT RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOS THE GAME.

It's a single skill which replaces all other skills except monk skills in the game. How much more broken can anything get?

Here's how to nerf it: make the AoE knockdown a single-target knockdown (like headbutt). That's all it takes to make Ursan a well-behaved and no longer game-breaking skill.

JeniM · Feb 25, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

wow so many people that want the game played there way by everyone else

Str0b0 · Feb 25, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

I thought the economy was pretty much ruined anyway. Granted I haven't played in months but last time I did play there were no more uber valuable items, just a lot of 10-20K junk. UB didn't do it. Arena net was trying to put an end to the days of the ultra farmer long before UB came along.

TriXor · Feb 25, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

I'd say remove this stupid skill all together. GW has been dumbed down enough already. The market has crashed dramatically compared to 'the old days' AND i'm getting sick and tired of being rejected into groups for not having rank 10 norn OR Ursan blessing (i have it, but i refuse to use it, farkin' brainless skills ftl)

GW is a skill based game.. well, it USED to be. Now you can do anything you want to by just equipping 1 skill. Whooptiefriggindoo! Now a 9 year old can play GW too, because he can mash buttons just as well as an 18 year old (or a 31 year old, whatever).

Nerf it or get rid of it.

(i still find it hilarious that people call Ursan Blessing a 'build')

yesitsrob · Feb 25, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by {IceFire}

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Ugh. Why do so many people say "get a guild"? If these people you're talking about are so bad, they won't be accepted by "good" (elitist) guilds.

Oh wait, you're from SMS...

The terrible people I'm referring too should be entirely incapable of doing DoA if it really is an "elite" mission, since it would make sense if elite didn't actually mean "as terrible as you want, just smash number 1 on your keyboard"

Everyone else should consider getting friends to do it with, for what it's worth SMS has absolutely very few (if any) requirements to join it and me being in SMS has sod all to do with my attitude on the forum. I wasn't even in SMS when I first did DoA with 5 heroes, you obviously don't have half a clue about SMS as a guild so maybe you shouldn't comment on it.

I don't consider it elitist saying most people are bad at the game, I think it's fairly true, it's got a very large learning curve, but you don't need to be decent to do most of it anyway... therefore most people don't care to improve because they simply don't need to, skills like Ursan make them need to even less. Like I said I don't care what happens to Ursan (though the large amount of forum posts if it did got nerfed would be an entertaining read), but the absolute one reason why most people defend it is because they wouldn't stand a chance in some elite missions without it. They rely on it, while it's not a _great_ skill, it makes up for an immense lack of player ability and so do many other pve skills.

There's really not a good argument against not nerfing it (don't run it if you don't like it isn't a good argument for the record). It is exceptionally mind-numbing and makes up for a lack of talent more than something like blood spike does in gvg. To anyone who cares about PVE balance then it's the most obvious skill to nerf. Obviously a lot of people don't and want to be able to do everything in the game without really having to learn how to play, therefore they'd like it to stay.

EinherjarMx · Feb 25, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

why isn't this post closed yet?

I don't even use UB since my main is an ele, and even with the armor bonus, a squishy is a squishy

the point is that the OP failed to see that the economy died when nightfall came along, now is just rare to see trades fulls of pink globes for a r9 15^50 non insc crystalline

duping put the last nail to the armbrace cuffin and ub is assuring it with extra nails, so i don't see the point in saving an already dead economy

DarkGanni · Feb 25, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

why isn't this post closed yet?

There are still more tissues available to the Q.Qers losing their precious virtual money from which will have 0 effect in real life cause they still have to work to pay their bills and they still have to work to pay to live. Sorry this is the blind truth...sadly

- Ganni

Nightmares Hammer · Feb 25, 2008, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesitsrob

I can think of a few reasons why people would support Ursan.

1) They need it to succeed - this is definitely the majority of people, they can't (rather won't) try to get into decent guilds if they are an "undersirable" profession - emphasis on undesirable because to most players Paragons etc are not wanted - they may also need them to succeed because said players are just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible at the game - this is really the more common reason.

2) The only time Ursan Blessing will look like a good skill is if you aren't that good. 100 damage every 3 seconds is actually not that impressive at all and it offers no real utility except a knockdown - I can get better than 100dps on my warrior and still have 5 - 6 other slots available.. Sure I can be shut down - which is why it helps to play with other people that don't suck. (obviously in PUGs this simply isn't possible)

3) People who use the "it's just a game" excuse are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarded to be honest. Just because it's a game doesn't mean to say it shouldn't be balanced or require team work - in Warcraft if I don't have the people to say.. raid Gruul's Lair, guess what, I can't do it then!, I don't see why everyone seems to be under the impression they should be able to do every area in the game, especially considering just how terrible most of them are.
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I don't think Ursan is a strong skill, there are much better templates, but the much better templates generally require you and your team to not suck - though the popular opinion seems to be you should be able to suck and still do everything the game has to offer.

I couldn't really give a shit what happens to it, I just laugh at all the people who defend its use because they'd be absolutely screwed without it (or other PVE skills for that matter) - you can use all the "omg just don't use it if you don't like it" bullshit, but the real reason you defend it is you'd be totally boned without it in the game, don't deny it, you're bad.

Thread winner!

pumpkin pie · Feb 25, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Mordiego

I doubt someone can say something against the oppinion that Ursan Blessing is ruining the game economy. Since it was introduced we can observe gigantic depreciation of value on many of the prestigous game items...

In addition it enabled countless hordes of noobs to enter (and thus spoil) some of the elite in-game areas. I am not even visiting DoA any more because of that fact.

In my oppinion it should be either removed or seriously nerfed.
What do you guys think?

PS. I do have the skill and my Norn is at R10 (for those with the intention of flaming)

I think the bold text i highlighted has some problem, why are you trying to prevent players from playing the game?

Nightmares Hammer · Feb 25, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I think the bold text i highlighted has some problem, why are you trying to prevent players from playing the game?

Because there ELITE areas, designed for ELITE players (IE people who don't suck...)

+1

pumpkin pie · Feb 25, 2008, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer

Because there ELITE areas, designed for ELITE players (IE people who don't suck...)

+1

players 1 buys game
players 2 buys game

both players gets to a point where they get the skill ursan blessing, both are entitle to use it.

if both players happens to have all elite areas available for them, they are both entitle to play in that area with what ever skill set they so chooses. no one can say who is more ELITE .

PS: if you think playing in Elite area makes a players elite think again, its just an area where if you do A + B + C ie complete certain mission, may you do it with heros/hench, solo it or with the help of friends and guildies, eventually every player gets there.

Tyla · Feb 25, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer

Because there ELITE areas, designed for ELITE players (IE people who don't suck...)

+1

Not really.
They were designed to take more skill than other areas, instead of bringing up this idiotic buttonmashing crap which we have today, that works...