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Tarun · Mar 12, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by MisterT69

Which is why we need to separate the skills into PVE & PVE sets. Ex: SoR in PVE has 5 sec recharge, 5 nrg cost, 1 sec cast, heals 62...102 health. PVP: SoR 10 nrg cost, 20 sec recharge, heals 70...110. Besides, more people PVE than PVP, so why should PVE chars have to suffer? Personally, I prefer DoA, UW, and FoW runs compared to HA. It's just so much more fun

Amen to that, it would stop all the nerfs that PvP causes.

Zaris · Mar 12, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

The only tactics that are used in gw is rush and run anyway

Winterclaw · Mar 12, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by stale

you say this as though Izzy has EVER cared about the PvE aspect of the game?

Spirit Bond nerf was specifically for PvE reasons. So on occasion he will buff or nerf pve skills. However PvP has to be the main focus of balance largely because it needs to be fair and it needs to be kept from going stale. If there is only one or two good builds per class and everyone is using them, either the skills involved are imba and/or every other skill in the game is n00b-fodder.

bhavv · Mar 13, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Rather then nerfing how about buffing unused skills, particularly ones that counter the popular ones so that they see more play?

E.G vocal minority - 5e 1c 10r

Remove 1...3 shouts / chants from nearby foes to target. For 10 seconds target cannot use shouts or chants.

Soothing images - target foe and nearby foes take twice as long to build adrenaline. Shouts and chants cost an extra 2...8 energy to use.

kazjun · Mar 13, 2008, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Sure, although I can't see how tactics is going to be viable unless you move half the skills to strength or something.

Still, most classes have a 'why the hell would you use this?' attrib line so I guess it's only fair that warriors get one too.

bhavv · Mar 13, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Smiting is worse then tactics.

the kurzick eater · Mar 13, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Zaris

The only tactics that are used in gw is rush and run anyway

good thing rush and "run" are strength

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Smiting is worse then tactics.

smiting has used in several amazing builds and has been used successfully in every PvP event there is =o

bhavv · Mar 13, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Yea, I missed the tongue in cheek emoticon sorry. I wasnt serious, I love smiting.

But more seriously, the worst attribute lines in GW are swords, axes, hammers, strength and tactics.

Oh, and

Fitz Rinley · Mar 13, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by shru

Have you taken a look at HA/GvG at all since nightfall's release? You'd understand why if you knew what I'm talking about.

I really dont give a rats about HA or GvG. And with every nerf aimed at destroying PvE play for their benefit I hate PvP more. There used to be two things that made me dislike PvP. The total immaturity of the competitive name callers concerned about describing each others sexual habits and the continual destruction of PvE for their enjoyment. Since I no longer visit PvP for any reason whatsoever, that just leaves the continuing experience of the latter. I have concluded that PvP players must visit PvE solely with the idea of finding things that work for PvE players and having them destroyed by the nerf bat team, which solely caters to PvP.

HawkofStorms · Mar 13, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

I really dont give a rats about HA or GvG. And with every nerf aimed at destroying PvE play for their benefit I hate PvP more. There used to be two things that made me dislike PvP. The total immaturity of the competitive name callers concerned about describing each others sexual habits and the continual destruction of PvE for their enjoyment. Since I no longer visit PvP for any reason whatsoever, that just leaves the continuing experience of the latter. I have concluded that PvP players must visit PvE solely with the idea of finding things that work for PvE players and having them destroyed by the nerf bat team, which solely caters to PvP.

It is PvE players like that that give the rest of us PvEers a bad name.
Nobody is out to get you and your build.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2008, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

I really dont give a rats about HA or GvG. And with every nerf aimed at destroying PvE play for their benefit I hate PvP more. There used to be two things that made me dislike PvP. The total immaturity of the competitive name callers concerned about describing each others sexual habits and the continual destruction of PvE for their enjoyment. Since I no longer visit PvP for any reason whatsoever, that just leaves the continuing experience of the latter. I have concluded that PvP players must visit PvE solely with the idea of finding things that work for PvE players and having them destroyed by the nerf bat team, which solely caters to PvP.

I think you need a new foil hat.
And maybe to find another game.

Orange Milk · Mar 13, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Yeah, PvP wise Tactics is dead, there are ways to make WY still work, but you have to mangle up your bar and skill is no longer worth to have to build around a buff to make it work.

I still use Tactics in PvE land, Solo Farming on my Ranger. I don't see where this latest skill update effected PvE Warriors anyway, WY is nothing compared to comsumables so who cares.

Ctb · Mar 13, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

I don't know quite how to put this.... if you don't like the fact that ANET and Izzy clearly don't give a flying **** about PvE, go play something else.

Yea, you're right. The last few updates to Tactics have had especially lame effects on PvE Warriors. Yea, you're right it's because a profession that didn't even exist until 2 years after the game was released was abusing that line of skills in a completely different part of the game.

And?

ANET doesn't care, they never have, and they never will. The entire game was originally designed to put down a big, steamy pile on PvE-only players' heads. They only made the changes they did (like the removal of the crappy favor system for accessing UW/FoW) after they realized that maybe, just maybe, not everyone who plays an RPG wants to run around in PvP listening to a bunch of brace-slurping nerds shout insults and obscenities and use 1337speak.

Just go play something else. I tolerated the skill breakages for 2 years until these last few craptastic updates got to be too irritating (the last one was enough that my Tactics warrior is a burden to play and needs switched to Strength, but I just have no motivation to do it anymore). Now I'm just waiting for Mass Effect to come out for PC in May.

It was a good run. I played for about 980 hours and paid about $180 total, so that's $0.18 an hour for my entertainment. Not bad at all.

the kurzick eater · Mar 13, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

I really dont give a rats about HA or GvG. And with every nerf aimed at destroying PvE play for their benefit I hate PvP more.

nothing "destroys" PvE. you can just remake something that does exactly the same thing.

the fact is, if every farming build out there gets nerfed today, tomarrow there will be a slew of builds already being made.

With PvE its a matter of "whats easier?", not "what can or can't be done?"

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I don't know quite how to put this.... if you don't like the fact that ANET and Izzy clearly don't give a flying **** about PvE, go play something else.

ANET doesn't care, they never have, and they never will. The entire game was originally designed to put down a big, steamy pile on PvE-only players' heads. They only made the changes they did (like the removal of the crappy favor system for accessing UW/FoW) after they realized that maybe, just maybe, not everyone who plays an RPG wants to run around in PvP listening to a bunch of brace-slurping nerds shout insults and obscenities and use 1337speak.

It was a good run. I played for about 980 hours and paid about $180 total, so that's $0.18 an hour for my entertainment. Not bad at all.

1st of all: the concept of this thread is not to Q.Q about how much you've spent playing pve.

2nd of all: ANET obviously cares, because if everyone quit they'd be out of work.

3rdly: the quote of "brace-slurping nerds" does not apply at all... this is what happens when people complain about PvP when they have never even been to RA before. (I LOVE how you talk about waiting for "MASS EFFECT" to come out on PC after you just called us "brace-slurping nerds"

Shadow Kurd · Mar 13, 2008, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

I no longer visit PvP for any reason whatsoever

Maybe you should before you start shouting. Press B and watch a top GvG/HA

Wild Karrde · Mar 13, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Im fine with tactics staying dead or becoming even more dead, most the skills are crap skills for warriors cept a few for farming, and theres not that many that are good for secondary profession use either. If tactics was buffed a majority of warriors that still dont understand how to play one would all just spec tactics swords and Heal prayers and use Both ripostes and mending and HH or glads defense and it would just be a huge RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing 1v1 warrior fest in AB, RA, and possibly TA, cause we all know Riposte works awesome vs any casters.

Second of all the "anet doesnt give a flying RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about PvE" people are probably the people who suck major balls at it so come here to complain when the build they parrot from everyone else cause it noob stomps PvE monsters gets nerfed a little. They stop whining when a new noobstomp build comes out.

When PvE is easy enough you can throw random skills on a bar and beat a majority of it you know that nerfs really dont hurt PvE much. PvE has 3 modes
Hard/Medium mode, Normal mode (easy mode actually) and LOL mode (Ursan)
so stop whining about anet hating PvEers

Before PvEers flame me: no im not amazing at the game nor do I think myself to be so dont say I'm stuck up. I realize there are people who just arent as good as others but tahts what normal mode and LOL mode are for.

and secondly I know my evaluation of what would happen if Tactics was buffed is overdramatized but Im just saying Tactics can die for all I care and if its buffed it would most likely not be buffed enough or way too much. Plus it makes me cry every time I see a warrior with Dripost, riposte, and Glads defens.

Giga_Gaia · Mar 14, 2008, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Too bad Izzy doesn't know how to address a problem directly. Instead of making strong counters that so many people have suggested or buffing other useless skills to make them see more use, all these nerfs are doing is like someone complaining that "OMFG the stove is too hot when I put my hands on it turn down the heat!". Maybe it's not always the oven's fault that it burns your hand? (Or in this case, the skills being too overpowered)

Kanyatta · Mar 14, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Clarissa F

As for Tactics being nerfed useless, ask a Mesmer about...ummm.....most of our skills.

Not true! Just because the last 14 Mesmer metas were nerfed doesn't mean tha-.... oh... damn...

FoxBat · Mar 14, 2008, 05:52 AM // 05:52

I don't get what all the fuss is. From a PvP perspective tactics just got over-nerfed.

Fear me needed a hit, but the hit was stupid in that it made IWAY the *only* playable build with it. They should've gone after steady stance or drunken/distracting combo instead.

Shields up made blockway immune to ranger interrupts, but it needs to return in some form to stop this turret ranger stupidity. My idea is for half all projectile damage (including armor-ignoring bonuses)

Watch Yourself! was too good everywhere, but it's been ether renewal'd. Just up the # of hits one or two and it would probably be ok.

Undivine · Mar 14, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

My macro beats yours... because it cannot be deleted.

Anyway, that's strike 2. Stay on topic guys. This is rediculous. No more joke pics, no more off-topic discussions, and no more flaming.